Christians abused at Arab Fest

[Deborah K]

Sharia Law in Dearborne, MI.


YouTube - Arab Festival 2009: Sharia in the US (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEPod-hxD7g&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jihadwatch.org%2F&feature=player_embedded)

[Liberty Star]

Deborah, arab is a race, not a religion. Many arabs in US are followers of Jesus Christ.
Lets's pray that Holy Spirit would continue to bless arabs as the good race they are.



Sharia advance is another issue though, apparently Obama just started his vacation at same time holy month of muslim sharia.


This title is almost like:

"Christians abused at Black peoples festival"

or

"Christians abused at Asian peoples festival"

It makes no sense.

[Sandra]

When religious baiting goes wrong.....

[Long_Lamkin]

Lets's pray that Holy Spirit would continue to bless arabs as the good race they are.



Can you give me an example of a "bad" race?

[Sandra]

Not to mention Acts17Apologetics are complete a-holes out to give Christians a bad name. Watch the rest of the videos they have posted on Tube.

[Mini-Me]

Can you give me an example of a "bad" race?

Bush vs. Clinton
Dole vs. Clinton
Bush vs. Kerry
McCain vs. Obama
etc.

Oh, and polar bears.

[Sandra]

Can you give me an example of a "bad" race?

The 100 meter "fast walk".

YouTube - Russians finish 1-2 in women's race walk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3GGzq1PIqs&feature=fvw)

[Liberty Star]

Holy month of Ramadan. And he's taking a 2 week vacation on a rich island whne he'll probably be indulging himself with meals, when this time of the month were supposed to feel for the poor and fast from sunrise to sunset.

Again hes only taking a 2 week vacation, and isn't it also odd that his vacation is also on the day of Yom Kippur the Jewish holiday! Outrageous! :rolleyes:

But we won't know if he would be actually eating any meals away from public eyes?

I was just kidding there :)
Individual faith of anyone is not at all an issue with me regardless, I'm totally open minded when it comes to race/religion labels.




Can you give me an example of a "bad" race?

No I can't, I can give exaplames of bad apples though from any race.

[orafi]

Are Act 17 idiots?

[youngbuck]

The 100 meter "fast walk".

YouTube - Russians finish 1-2 in women's race walk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3GGzq1PIqs&feature=fvw)

What! :eek: LOL, had no idea there was such a thing.

[Deborah K]

Deborah, arab is a race, not a religion. Many arabs in US are followers of Jesus Christ.
Lets's pray that Holy Spirit would continue to bless arabs as the good race they are.



Sharia advance is another issue though, apparently Obama just started his vacation at same time holy month of muslim sharia.


This title is almost like:

"Christians abused at Black peoples festival"

or

"Christians abused at Asian peoples festival"

It makes no sense.

It is my understanding that the Festival was called "The Arab Festival". But I understand your point about confusing a race with religion. Point is taken.

[NewEnd]

I don't know about trying to shove a camera in the common man's face. Also, What exactly was his question?

And that film was very annoying. The stopping and slow scrolling at the bottom with a written replay was just.... wrong.

[Deborah K]

There are more Christian Arabs than Muslim Arabs in the US 75% to 25% I have many Christian Arab friends. In Dearborn everyone thinks to think its all Muslim when it is 50% Muslim Arabs and 50% Chaldeans/Assyrans Iraqi Christians.

Both sides in the video are idiots.

The Christian commentator in this vid looks like he might be of Arab descent. I don't think he was being an idiot at all. He was trying to make the very valid point that his free speech was allowed to be violated at this festival. If the roles were reversed and a muslim camera crew showed up at a Christian festival, I doubt this would have been tolerated by the ACLU, the media, OR the police.

And yes, I am aware that it wasn't a 'Muslim Festival' per say, but my guess is that there were no Christian booths. The security so much as stated that in order to proselytize, he would have to go to a certain intersection to do it.

They were treated harshly. All they wanted to do was get their question answered on video and that is plain as day.

Would you think Ron Paul people would be 'idiotic' if they did this?

[NewEnd]

Would you think Ron Paul people would be 'idiotic' if they did this?


Depends what they were trying to ask. What was he trying to ask? I never heard it. Maybe I missed it. :confused:

[Deborah K]

Apparently it was a question in regards to information in the pamphlet that they were passing out at that particular booth. It is never made known to us what the question was. But what difference does that make anyway? I don't think Ron Paul people should be ganged up on, pushed around, and escorted out the way these guys were - no matter WHAT the question is - as long as they are civil and respectful. The people at that booth acted like thugs and so did the security.

[NewEnd]

Apparently it was a question in regards to information in the pamphlet that they were passing out at that particular booth. It is never made known to us what the question was. But what difference does that make anyway?


I'm not gonna get upset for someone getting pushed out of an event after asking a bunch of muslims if they think that terrorism is good, or if Allah was a child rapist, or some other dumb nonsense like that.

So, without knowing what he was asking, I really don't care. And it is one thing ot speak truth to power, or to refuse orders to stop taping from a cop. It's another thing to go to some dudes in a booth and try to get a rise out of them for youtube.

Without knowing what he was saying, I frankly don't give a fuck. And I think it is telling he never says what he was asking.

[james1906]

The 100 meter "fast walk".

YouTube - Russians finish 1-2 in women's race walk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3GGzq1PIqs&feature=fvw)

She looks like a regular runner who went horseback riding, snowboarding, and had sex with Ron Jeremy earlier in the day.

As for a bad race, might I suggest the highlight of ESPN in the 1980s?

YouTube - Tractor Race (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEgV_HwkV88&feature=related)

[NewEnd]

The 100 meter "fast walk".

YouTube - Russians finish 1-2 in women's race walk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3GGzq1PIqs&feature=fvw)


I loved the slow motion replay at the end.

:D

reminds me of a hilarious Malcolm in the Middle episode.

[james1906]

There are more Christian Arabs than Muslim Arabs in the US 75% to 25% I have many Christian Arab friends. In Dearborn everyone thinks to think its all Muslim when it is 50% Muslim Arabs and 50% Chaldeans/Assyrans Iraqi Christians.

Both sides in the video are idiots.

Looks like that most of the women in the video are rocking the hijab.

The problem with Islam is that it calls for the death of apostates. That alone makes it a religion built on insecurity, showing the creators of the religion knew it was a bunch of bullshit. If you can't question your faith (or allow others to question your faith), then is faith something you really have?

[TRIGRHAPPY]

Can you give me an example of a "bad" race?

Out of nothing but the knowledge that I would be branded as a racist for actually stating the particulars, no, I will not give anyone an "example" of a bad race...... I can, however, point out violent crime statistics that I think speak clearly for themselves. I realize this is taboo in our overly PC world, but the numbers don't lie. I don't think they mean every member of the races with overwhelming crime statistics is "bad", but it certainly shows that certain races are quite obviously much more prone to commit violent crime.

If you already have a race in mind that you believe I am talking about, you're a racist. If you plan on responding to this non-racial reply in a hostile manner, more than likely you are a hypocritical racist. If you don't like the numbers, kindly ask the criminals to stop committing crimes.

As for this event in the OP.....

The best thing for them to do was to provide the first individual to make physical contact with them or their cameras with what I like to call a SEG...short for "Significant Emotional Event". A SEG is a moment of clarity, usually caused by a sudden, unexpected, very high amount of fear. A SEG is best accomplished without causing physical contact or breaking any laws. However, even a "threat" of force legally constitutes "Assault", which is a double-edged sword because it justifies limited self defense. For instance, when they reach to smack you, a wrist lock induced slam to the ground is justified........especially if you catch the initial "smack attempt" on video as the individuals here did.

After making it extremely clear that you were not to be physically touched, you would be surprised at the kind demeanor most people will show you.

[orafi]

Looks like that most of the women in the video are rocking the hijab.

The problem with Islam is that it calls for the death of apostates. That alone makes it a religion built on insecurity, showing the creators of the religion knew it was a bunch of bullshit. If you can't question your faith (or allow others to question your faith), then is faith something you really have?

Ha ha you're the one who is bull shit. Where in the Quran does it say that there is an earthly punishment mandated for apostasy? Get your facts straight you boob. :rolleyes:

[t0rnado]

They should have a prophet fight.

Jewish Zombie vs. Pedophile with Epilepsy

[james1906]

Ha ha you're the one who is bull shit. Where in the Quran does it say that there is an earthly punishment mandated for apostasy? Get your facts straight you boob. :rolleyes:


Hate to derail the PC Express, but......

Surah 4:89

"They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them."



From the Hadith (the Talmud of Islam):

"The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims."

[JeNNiF00F00]

Fuck this shit. People wonder why the Arabs aren't wanted here. These people give their race a BAD NAME.

[NewEnd]

Hate to derail the PC Express, but......

Surah 4:89

"They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them."



From the Hadith (the Talmud of Islam):

"The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims."

Yeah, and the bible says don't touch women on their period, and the punishment for dishonoring your parents is stoning.

Guess what, most muslims are moderate. Half of them don't even know the difference themselves between sunni and shiite. So give it up.

[james1906]

Study before insulting.

29:46 And do not dispute with the followers of the Book except by what is best, except those of them who act unjustly, and say: We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you, and our God and your God is One, and to Him do we submit.

2:62 Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in God and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve .

Um...that's for people who are born Jews or Christians. If a Muslim converts to Judaism or Christianity, then all bets are off.

[james1906]

Yeah, and the bible says don't touch women on their period, and the punishment for dishonoring your parents is stoning.

Guess what, most muslims are moderate. Half of them don't even know the difference themselves between sunni and shiite. So give it up.

The Bible is full of bullshit as well. Don't assume I'm an evangelical.

[Sandra]

The Bible is full of bullshit as well. Don't assume I'm an evangelical.

This isn't about philosophy as much as it is about a bunch of people harassing people on the street with cameras. Check out the rest of their videos on Tou Tube. They are doing it solely for shock value.

[NewEnd]

The Bible is full of bullshit as well. Don't assume I'm an evangelical.

I didn't. But what you were saying was essentially that muslims ascribe to a very strict interpretation of Islam, which is ridiculous. Some of them might in tribal areas, but a vast majority of them hardly give a fuck what the Koran says.

[maqsur]

Quite a few people here are speaking nasty about other faiths. It seems there is a trend with people who are not religious to speak vile words of others and their faith.

Can't people discuss things without vitriol, my goodness. Name calling and insults don't further your views, they reveal you to be simple minded. Grow up already.

[james1906]

I didn't. But what you were saying was essentially that muslims ascribe to a very strict interpretation of Islam, which is ridiculous. Some of them might in tribal areas, but a vast majority of them hardly give a fuck what the Koran says.

I'm pointing out what the Koran calls for. Too many people of all faiths use the "No True Scotsman" fallacy when pointing out the shortcomings of others in the religion.

[james1906]

Quite a few people here are speaking nasty about other faiths. It seems there is a trend with people who are not religious to speak vile words of others and their faith.

Can't people discuss things without vitriol, my goodness. Name calling and insults don't further your views, they reveal you to be simple minded. Grow up already.

I'm not a missionary, so believe what you want to believe. If you believe a guy died for you 2000 years ago because a guy 2000 years before him ate an apple, then more power to you.

[maqsur]

Actually, I'm a Muslim, so I don't believe Jesus died (for us or at all); as Muslims believe Jesus was brought up to Heaven and an imposter put in his place to make people think he died.

Regardless, this belief is obviously a faith thing, because there is no youtube of the event.

I'm just commenting on the nature of the discourse in this thread and other similar threads. There is a lot of cursing, and vitriol, and name calling - which detracts from a substantial debate on religion, etc.

[Liberty Star]

It is my understanding that the Festival was called "The Arab Festival". But I understand your point about confusing a race with religion. Point is taken.

Ok, I thought we should be sensitive to any defamation of arab race while we're trying to get arab race PM elected in holy land and arab POTUS in US (Obama is only half arab and not a full arab by most accounts).


There were rumors that number of Muslim/Jewish congress members was approaching 100 now out of 400 or so total US Congress members. But number of arab christian Congress members is still very small. Immigration rate of arabs is increasing thanks to more Palestinian, Iraqi refugess but it's not where it needs to be yet to create a healthy demographic balance in US Congress. Untill then, we should try to protect rights arab race and defamation attempts from lib media.

[orafi]

Hate to derail the PC Express, but......

Surah 4:89

"They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them."



From the Hadith (the Talmud of Islam):

"The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims."

PC Express? Wtf? Maybe you should abandon the SS Propaganda because its heading straight towards an iceberg made of your bull shit.

I always relate geniuses like you to DVD publishers who always like to slice out quotes that may sound flattering out of the most critical of reviews and slap them onto the box of whatever shitty product they're trying to sell to the moviegoer (emphasis: who doesn't know any better).

Same exact thing with evangelicals who like to spit the “Islam is a religion of the sword” type nonsense.

The Surah you quoted, friend, was out of context. It was made during wartime of fledgling Islam.

Those apostates who joined the ranks of the enemy were to be killed, but those who stayed could be tolerated.

Surah 4:

89. They wish that you reject Faith, as they have rejected (Faith), and thus that you all become equal (like one another).*So take not Auliyâ' (protectors or friends) from them, till they emigrate in the Way of Allâh (to Muhammad SAW).*But if they turn back (from Islâm), take (hold) of them and kill them wherever you find them, and take neither Auliyâ' (protectors or friends) nor helpers from them.
90.Except those who join a group, between you and whom there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with their breasts restraining from fighting you as well as fighting their own people.*Had Allâh willed, indeed He would have given them power over you, and they would have fought you.*So if they withdraw from you, and fight not against you, and offer you peace, then Allâh has opened no way for you against them.
And 91. You will find others that wish to have security from you and security from their people.*Every time they are sent back to temptation, they yield thereto.*If they withdraw not from you, nor offer you peace, nor restrain their hands, take (hold) of them and kill them wherever you find them.*In their case, We have provided you with a clear warrant against them.*


CLEARLY it does not call for a random slaughter of apostates for being apostates.



And on a heavenly punishment, instead of an earthly one by man:


2 161 Those who reject Faith,And die rejecting.- On them is Allah's curse, And the curse of angels, And of all mankind; (Death of natural causes)

2 217: They ask you concerning the Sacred Month- fighting in it. Say: "Fighting in it is grave." But hindering from Allah's way, and denying Him and the Sacred Masjid, and turning out its people from there are still graver in the sight of Allah; and torture is more serious than slaughter. And they will not cease fighting with you until they turn you back from your religion if they can. And whoever of you turns back from his religion, then dies while he is an Unbeliever, these then,- their deeds go in vain in this world and in the Hereafter. And these are the fellows of the Fire, in it they abide.

God will have a punishment laid out for the apostate, no one else.

And on your hadith quote (as a Muslim, I'd have to tell you that hadiths are jokes. The Quran is the one and only authority for Islam):

Allah's answer to Muhammad on using force

13:40 “Thy duty is to make the message reach them. It is our part to call them to account.”

10:99 “If it had been thy Lord’s will, they would all have believed, all who are on earth! Will thou then compel mankind against their will to believe!”



Learn something about something before you make bogus claims, bro.

[james1906]

PC Express? Wtf? Maybe you should abandon the SS Propaganda because its heading straight towards an iceberg made of your bull shit.

I always relate geniuses like you to DVD publishers who always like to slice out quotes that may sound flattering out of the most critical of reviews and slap them onto the box of whatever shitty product they're trying to sell to the moviegoer (emphasis: who doesn't know any better).

Same exact thing with evangelicals who like to spit the “Islam is a religion of the sword” type nonsense.

The Surah you quoted, friend, was out of context. It was made during wartime of fledgling Islam.

Those apostates who joined the ranks of the enemy were to be killed, but those who stayed could be tolerated.

Surah 4:

89. They wish that you reject Faith, as they have rejected (Faith), and thus that you all become equal (like one another).*So take not Auliyâ' (protectors or friends) from them, till they emigrate in the Way of Allâh (to Muhammad SAW).*But if they turn back (from Islâm), take (hold) of them and kill them wherever you find them, and take neither Auliyâ' (protectors or friends) nor helpers from them.
90.Except those who join a group, between you and whom there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with their breasts restraining from fighting you as well as fighting their own people.*Had Allâh willed, indeed He would have given them power over you, and they would have fought you.*So if they withdraw from you, and fight not against you, and offer you peace, then Allâh has opened no way for you against them.
And 91. You will find others that wish to have security from you and security from their people.*Every time they are sent back to temptation, they yield thereto.*If they withdraw not from you, nor offer you peace, nor restrain their hands, take (hold) of them and kill them wherever you find them.*In their case, We have provided you with a clear warrant against them.*


CLEARLY it does not call for a random slaughter of apostates for being apostates.



And on a heavenly punishment, instead of an earthly one by man:


2 161 Those who reject Faith,And die rejecting.- On them is Allah's curse, And the curse of angels, And of all mankind; (Death of natural causes)

2 217: They ask you concerning the Sacred Month- fighting in it. Say: "Fighting in it is grave." But hindering from Allah's way, and denying Him and the Sacred Masjid, and turning out its people from there are still graver in the sight of Allah; and torture is more serious than slaughter. And they will not cease fighting with you until they turn you back from your religion if they can. And whoever of you turns back from his religion, then dies while he is an Unbeliever, these then,- their deeds go in vain in this world and in the Hereafter. And these are the fellows of the Fire, in it they abide.

God will have a punishment laid out for the apostate, no one else.

And on your hadith quote (as a Muslim, I'd have to tell you that hadiths are jokes. The Quran is the one and only authority for Islam):

Allah's answer to Muhammad on using force

13:40 “Thy duty is to make the message reach them. It is our part to call them to account.”

10:99 “If it had been thy Lord’s will, they would all have believed, all who are on earth! Will thou then compel mankind against their will to believe!”



Learn something about something before you make bogus claims, bro.

How do you explain the history of Islam that continues to this day of killing apostates? Is this the No True Scotsman fallacy again?

What does Surah 4:90 mean to you?

[maqsur]

How do you explain the history of Muslims that continues to this day of killing apostates? Is this the No True Scotsman fallacy again?

What does Surah 4:90 mean to you?

Corrected that for you. I'm sure you meant people, rather than the religion. Kind of like guns don't kill people, people kill people; same with religion, religion doesn't endorse random killing, but some people decide to do it anyway.

I'm sure that is what you meant all along. :rolleyes:

[NewEnd]

Corrected that for you. I'm sure you meant people, rather than the religion. Kind of like guns don't kill people, people kill people; same with religion, religion doesn't endorse random killing, but some people decide to do it anyway.

I'm sure that is what you meant all along. :rolleyes:

pwned!

[orafi]

How do you explain the history of Islam that continues to this day of killing apostates? Is this the No True Scotsman fallacy again?

What does Surah 4:90 mean to you?

Islam isn't doing the killing, as Maqsur pointed out.


Layman's: If an aposate defects and tries to join the ranks of an enemy power, he is game, like anyone else who's goal is to harm you. And if that apostate defects from your faith but prefers living in peace with you either in your tribe or in a friendly tribe, then you cannot take his life.

Understand the context of the Surah and the time it was released, and Islam won't sound as savage as you make it out to be.

[james1906]

Corrected that for you. I'm sure you meant people, rather than the religion. Kind of like guns don't kill people, people kill people; same with religion, religion doesn't endorse random killing, but some people decide to do it anyway.

I'm sure that is what you meant all along. :rolleyes:

You're splitting hairs. Islam, like all other religions, has a history. Muslims make up Islam. Islam has a set of beliefs. A gun is an object. Your analogy does not work.

Would I be correct in saying that al-Qaida is not a terrorist organization, but that Muslims are a terrorist organization?

[james1906]

Islam isn't doing the killing, as Maqsur pointed out.


Layman's: If an aposate defects and tries to join the ranks of an enemy power, he is game, like anyone else who's goal is to harm you. And if that apostate defects from your faith but prefers living in peace with you either in your tribe or in a friendly tribe, then you cannot take his life.

Understand the context of the Surah and the time it was released, and Islam won't sound as savage as you make it out to be.

So Islam and the Koran are outdated?

[NewEnd]

Would I be correct in saying that al-Qaida is not a terrorist organization, but that Muslims are a terrorist organization?

WTF? Nonsense.

If a Christian woman kills here children for dishonoring her, does that mean Christianity endorses child killing? I mean surely the bible does, but that does not mean the religion does, even if members of the religion do it sometimes. Take the choo choo train from philosophy land back to reality land.

Your arguments are patently ridiculous. Your intentions are transparent as a fart, and just as welcome.

[orafi]

So Islam and the Koran are outdated?

No, same rule applies today in similar situations. Islam is a way of life, not just a religion.

[james1906]

No, same rule applies today in similar situations. Islam is a way of life, not just a religion.

But you said I need understand the Koran in the era it was written, implying that times have changed. Does that render the Koran obsolete?

[orafi]

No, it's all about context. For example, you assumed that the quotes you listed was evidence of Islam's condoning of the slaughter of religious defectors. You took a verse and made it seem as if it were standalone and representative of the nature of the message. I simply told you (indirectly), that if you wanted a clear understanding, you can either

1) Check out the OTHER verses

2) Discover the context of when it was written

Like I said, Islam is a lifestyle. The Quran is guidance. Wars happen, along with everything else, and the Quran is there to guide. Are you telling me that wars and betrayal are a thing of the past?

It's about understanding, not epochal relevance.


And to correct you, I never used a huge time span such as an "era" for you to reference. I used the immediate situation in which the verse was sent to Mohammad pbuh. Peace.

[Vessol]

How dare they abuse christians! I hate all non-christians grrr! Freedom i love freedom! But any non-christians suck

[Vessol]

So Islam and the Koran are outdated?

The Bible is in no way outdated, what-so-ever. it's 100% perfect

[james1906]

No, it's all about context. For example, you assumed that the quotes you listed was evidence of Islam's condoning of the slaughter of religious defectors. You took a verse and made it seem as if it were standalone and representative of the nature of the message. I simply told you (indirectly), that if you wanted a clear understanding, you can either

1) Check out the OTHER verses

2) Discover the context of when it was written

Like I said, Islam is a lifestyle. The Quran is guidance. Wars happen, along with everything else, and the Quran is there to guide. Are you telling me that wars and betrayal are a thing of the past?

It's about understanding, not epochal relevance.


And to correct you, I never used a huge time span such as an "era" for you to reference. I used the immediate situation in which the verse was sent to Mohammad pbuh. Peace.

You are tripping over your own words in regards to whether to Koran is relevant.

I know you are trying to write me off as ignorant, but why do many who have studied the Koran intensively (imams, ayatollahs, etc) feel that apostasy is a capital offense?

[james1906]

The Bible is in no way outdated, what-so-ever. it's 100% perfect

So you approve of slavery?

[Vessol]

So you approve of slavery?

Damn right. And if I ever found my daughter fornicated before she was wed, I'd personally bring her to the gates of my town and have her stoned.

[james1906]

Damn right. And if I ever found my daughter fornicated before she was wed, I'd personally bring her to the gates of my town and have her stoned.

but, but, but, even though the Bible says to do that and even though the Bible is word of the god I worship, it doesn't mean to actually do it. Those who actually follow the Bible are not true Christians.

[PaulaGem]

No, same rule applies today in similar situations. Islam is a way of life, not just a religion.

Fundamentalist Islam may be a way of life, but so is Fundamentalist Christianity.

[PaulaGem]

but, but, but, even though the Bible says to do that and even though the Bible is word of the god I worship, it doesn't mean to actually do it. Those who actually follow the Bible are not true Christians.

OK, I GOT IT!!!

You can only be a Christian if you DON'T follow the Bible!!


WOW!

[james1906]

Why do Catholic priests have sexual relations with little girls and boys? Wouldn't you say they studied the bible pretty well?

This happens all the time when you have 1 billion people in a religion!

The pedophilia in the Catholic church has at least been condemned. You are steering off topic, as this isn't Muslims v. Christians. It's also estimated that 10% of the US population is ex-Catholics. Why have no priests called for their execution?

[Vessol]

OK, I GOT IT!!!

You can only be a Christian if you DON'T follow the Bible!!


WOW!

a poor strawman if I ever saw one.

You can be a Christian by many definitions. Neither is right or wrong.

Ever heard of a No True Scotsman argument? Look it up.

[maqsur]

You're splitting hairs. Islam, like all other religions, has a history. Muslims make up Islam. Islam has a set of beliefs. A gun is an object. Your analogy does not work.

Would I be correct in saying that al-Qaida is not a terrorist organization, but that Muslims are a terrorist organization?

My point is that Islam is not a sentient being, and therefore does not perform deeds or acts. Like you said, it's a set of beliefs. Same thing that a gun is not a sentient being.

Your Alqaeda-Muslim sentence does not make sense. People kill people, justifying it in many ways. That does not fault Islam if some crazy asshole decides to do something un-Islamic through some twisted justification.

[orafi]

You are tripping over your own words in regards to whether to Koran is relevant.

I know you are trying to write me off as ignorant, but why do many who have studied the Koran intensively (imams, ayatollahs, etc) feel that apostasy is a capital offense?

1) You kind of came off a little ignorant with your "relevancy" questions (if that was ever a problem??). Everything was stated clearly. Next time read and understand something thoroughly and firmly. It'll help you.

2) They're idiots.

[PaulaGem]

a poor strawman if I ever saw one.

You can be a Christian by many definitions. Neither is right or wrong.

Ever heard of a No True Scotsman argument? Look it up.

Hey man, I didn't think it up, I was quoting the other guy...

[PaulaGem]

My point is that Islam is not a sentient being, and therefore does not perform deeds or acts. Like you said, it's a set of beliefs. Same thing that a gun is not a sentient being.

Your Alqaeda-Muslim sentence does not make sense. People kill people, justifying it in many ways. That does not fault Islam if some crazy asshole decides to do something un-Islamic through some twisted justification.

And it's even screwier if what Siebel Edmonds says is true, that Alqaeda, Al Quaida or whatever it is was created by the U.S. government.

[Reason]

both sides in the video are idiots.

qft