Reason
08-21-2009, 11:16 PM
I received this email in response to an email I sent out that was a compilation of all the recent police abuses that had been posted in various threads on these forums.
Here is the email I received in response.
These kind of videos make me mad. Not because they show police violence, but because they show anti-police ignorance, much like those who totally mishandled the Rodney King incident. In the first video, the officer would never have had to resort to ANY violence if the violator had complied immediately. None of that would have taken place. It is not the officer's fault it is the idiot who would not open his hand as asked several times and stupidly put the illegal substance in his mouth. In the second video, like the Rodney King incident, they are not showing you the whole thing, only the part that they want you to see out of context. If you watched the full Rodney King incident, you would see not only that he had been violent first, causing a need for violence, but like the first video, if he had complied with the orders, and stopped trying to get up, no further violence would have been given. In this second video, we are not seeing what leads up to the police doing what they are doing, and you can see that the suspect is struggling and not complying with the police. It would be more helpful if there was audio to that one as well. This is the type of complaining that gets people hurt or killed, as the police then get their hands tied more and more, causing them to not be able to help people when it is needed. Please don't go anti-police on me. Surely you don't believe in the extreme fallacy of anarchy, because that is the direction we go with out law enforcement.
Now the cop that took those people out of the funeral procession was out of line. As out of line as the people in the car were for breaking the seat belt law. What he should have done was either givent them a verbal warning or quietly escorted them to the funeral and given them the tickets there. After all, they did break the law.
The NYPD incident, I can't say that I understand that. Why are they being stopped? Are these statistics coming from the NYPD or the NYCLU? I don't believe we are getting the whole story here. I have never trusted any CLU organizations for anything, but trying to disproportionately make cases for people of color and against the majority. Not because they needed it so much as it is a racist organization. (There have been exceptions, but very few.)
Peppermint incident. Wow. That one is bad. I'd like to get some more info on that one too. We only got what that newspaper reported, and newspapers admit to putting their own spin on things with the intent to influence. (Hellen Copley: when she was owner of the San Diego Union.) If they really waited 3 months to test that candy, then this department owes the guy big time, but still, he would not have been in any trouble if he had complied with the law to begin with.
Minivan: Again, this story is fishy. A police officer NEVER tasers a person twice unless they are trying to resist arrest and get up again. There are too many details missing from this report too. You need to get some better sources since you like to get absolute facts on things. These reports are absolutely, NOT absolute facts. Very poor investigating on your part. I'm disappointed, I got the impression you checked out things before sending them.
Here is the original email I sent.
A 42-year-old Louisiana man has died of a broken neck after being pulled over by a police deputy.
A dash cam video shows Deputy Chris Sturdivant of the Livingston Parish Sheriff’s Office with his arms around Adam Stogner’s neck after the officer suspected the man of putting a small quantity of drugs into his mouth.
Video Here
[/URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?)v=3SoBn86IPTE
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Minneapolis Police Chief Tim Dolan told the Star-Tribune that he plans to ask for help from the FBI in investigating a disturbing police video that shows 42-year-old Darryl Jenkins being beaten by as many as six police officers.
Jenkins was Tasered several times and beaten so badly he defecated on himself and officers.
Video Here
http://www.youtube.com/watch? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?)v=_jVk1DQ7fdY
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Cop pulls family out of funeral procession over seat-belts... They miss the burial...
SPOKANE, Wash. -- When Donald Ross's sister passed, more than 100 people attended her funeral mass in Spokane.
The burial was scheduled for a nearby cemetery, but Ross and his family only made it a quarter of a mile when flashing lights forced them to the side of the road.
"Harold, his (my husband's) brother, said, 'You pulled us out of a funeral procession,'" said wife Shirley Ross.
But the deputy kept them there, writing up five citations because the driver and the passengers were not wearing a seat belts. And the sheriff's department says he had every right.
"We're out here trying to prevent funerals, not disrupt them," said Dave Reagan of Spokane County Sheriff's Office.
Those five tickets took 12 minutes to write. By the time Ross and his family members got back on the road, the burial was over.
The family members admit they weren't wearing their seat belts, but say it shouldn't have cost them the chance to say goodbye.
"It's a stage in our life where you want to give your last respects and hear the final prayers and the closing of the ceremony," Shirley Ross said. "We missed that and it's something I'll remember for as long as I live. And I think it was just uncalled for."
The deputy, who was a part of a special emphasis group, was only giving out tickets, not warnings. Donald and Shirley Ross plan to appeal theirs.
"I think it was unjust. It was totally unbelievable," said Shirley Ross.
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Innocent New Yorkers Stopped, Interrogated by NYPD
The NYPD stopped and interrogated more innocent people during the first six months of 2009 than during any six-month period since the Department began collecting data on its troubling stop-and-frisk program. Police made more than 273,000 stops of completely innocent New Yorkers – the overwhelming majority of whom were black and Latino. Though these innocent people did nothing wrong, their names and home addresses are now stored in an NYPD database.
“These aren’t statistics – these are innocent New Yorkers who have had their dignity man-handled by the very people who are sworn to protect and serve them,” said Donna Lieberman, the executive director of the New York Civil Liberties Union. “Hundreds of thousands of our neighbors who have done absolutely nothing wrong have been humiliated in front of their parents, children, friends and neighbors. This stunning abuse of power must end. It is not a crime to walk down the street in New York City, yet every day innocent black and brown New Yorkers are turned into suspects for doing just that.”
According to an NYPD report obtained and analyzed by the NYCLU this week, police stopped and interrogated New Yorkers 140,552 times between April and June. Nearly nine out of 10 of these stops resulted in no charges or citations. This record number of stops fell disproportionately on the city’s communities of color – 74,283 of those stopped were black and 44,296 were Latino, while only 13,906 were white.
The Department made another 171,094 stops between January and March. Overall, this record number of stops represents a 15 percent increase from the 270,937 stops conducted during the first six months of 2008. If stops continue at this pace, the NYPD will conduct a record 610,000 stops in 2009. In 2008, the current record, police stopped New Yorkers 531,159 times.
Over the past five-and-a-half years, New Yorkers have been subjected to the practice more than 2.5 million times – a rate of 1,260 every day. The Department is then recording the name and home address of every person stopped.
“The NYPD is, in effect, building a massive database of black and brown New Yorkers,” said NYCLU Associate Legal Director Christopher Dunn. “Innocent New Yorkers who are the victims of unjustified police stops should not suffer the further harm of having their personal information kept in an NYPD database, which simply makes them targets for future investigations.”
In the summer of 2007, the NYCLU served the NYPD with a formal legal request to turn over the complete stop-and-frisk database under the state’s Freedom of Information Law. The Department resisted transparency and so, in November 2007, the NYCLU filed a lawsuit in State Supreme Court challenging the NYPD. In May of 2008, the NYCLU won that case and received the database in October, 2008. The NYCLU is currently analyzing that database and will publish its findings this year.
The NYCLU requested the information to allow for an independent analysis of the Department’s stop-and-frisk practices, which have been the subject of enormous controversy since the 1999 shooting death of Amadou Diallo.
The NYCLU’s concerns about excessive numbers of stops are supported by the RAND Corporation study commissioned by the Department in 2007. That report estimated that, “[e]ven with the most liberal assumptions,” one would expect the NYPD to have “roughly 250,000 to 330,000 stops” each year. Even when measured against the most permissive of standards, the NYPD is on its way to conducting 300,000 more stops than would be expected.
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Man serves 3 months in jail for peppermint in mouth...
Kissimmee Police Department officers pulled Donald May over for an expired tag.
When the officer walked up to him, he noticed something white in May's mouth. May said it was breath mints, but the officer thought it was crack cocaine.
"He took them out of my mouth and put them in a baggy and locked me up [for] possession of cocaine and tampering with evidence," May explained.
The officer claimed he field-tested the evidence and it tested positive for drugs.
The officer said he saw May buying drugs while he was stopped at an intersection. He also stated in his report that May waived his Miranda rights and voluntarily admitted to buying drugs.
May said that never happened, reports WFTV News.
They wouldn't let May out of jail for three months until tests proved the so-called drugs were candy.
While May was behind bars, the Kissimmee Police Department towed his car and auctioned it off. He lost his job and was evicted.
http://weblogs.sun-sentinel (http://weblogs.sun-sentinel).com/news/specials/weirdflorida/blog/2009/08/kissimmee_police_department_of.html
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Mom in minivan tasered twice in Salina traffic stop
In January, an Onondaga County sheriff's deputy pulled over Audra Harmon, who had two of her kids with her in her minivan. A routine traffic stop escalated quickly.
The deputy, Sean Andrews, accused her of talking on her cell phone. She said she could prove him wrong.
He said she was speeding. She denied it and got out of the van. He told her to get back in. She did, then he ordered her back out.
He yanked her out by the arm, knocked her down with two Taser shots and charged her with disorderly conduct and resisting arrest. His rationale on the disorderly conduct charge: She obstructed traffic when she got out of the van. The speeding accusation: going 50 mph in a 45-mph zone.
[url]http://www.syracuse.com/news/ (http://www.syracuse.com/news/)index.ssf/2009/08/mom_in_minivan_tasered_in_traf.html
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Here is the email I received in response.
These kind of videos make me mad. Not because they show police violence, but because they show anti-police ignorance, much like those who totally mishandled the Rodney King incident. In the first video, the officer would never have had to resort to ANY violence if the violator had complied immediately. None of that would have taken place. It is not the officer's fault it is the idiot who would not open his hand as asked several times and stupidly put the illegal substance in his mouth. In the second video, like the Rodney King incident, they are not showing you the whole thing, only the part that they want you to see out of context. If you watched the full Rodney King incident, you would see not only that he had been violent first, causing a need for violence, but like the first video, if he had complied with the orders, and stopped trying to get up, no further violence would have been given. In this second video, we are not seeing what leads up to the police doing what they are doing, and you can see that the suspect is struggling and not complying with the police. It would be more helpful if there was audio to that one as well. This is the type of complaining that gets people hurt or killed, as the police then get their hands tied more and more, causing them to not be able to help people when it is needed. Please don't go anti-police on me. Surely you don't believe in the extreme fallacy of anarchy, because that is the direction we go with out law enforcement.
Now the cop that took those people out of the funeral procession was out of line. As out of line as the people in the car were for breaking the seat belt law. What he should have done was either givent them a verbal warning or quietly escorted them to the funeral and given them the tickets there. After all, they did break the law.
The NYPD incident, I can't say that I understand that. Why are they being stopped? Are these statistics coming from the NYPD or the NYCLU? I don't believe we are getting the whole story here. I have never trusted any CLU organizations for anything, but trying to disproportionately make cases for people of color and against the majority. Not because they needed it so much as it is a racist organization. (There have been exceptions, but very few.)
Peppermint incident. Wow. That one is bad. I'd like to get some more info on that one too. We only got what that newspaper reported, and newspapers admit to putting their own spin on things with the intent to influence. (Hellen Copley: when she was owner of the San Diego Union.) If they really waited 3 months to test that candy, then this department owes the guy big time, but still, he would not have been in any trouble if he had complied with the law to begin with.
Minivan: Again, this story is fishy. A police officer NEVER tasers a person twice unless they are trying to resist arrest and get up again. There are too many details missing from this report too. You need to get some better sources since you like to get absolute facts on things. These reports are absolutely, NOT absolute facts. Very poor investigating on your part. I'm disappointed, I got the impression you checked out things before sending them.
Here is the original email I sent.
A 42-year-old Louisiana man has died of a broken neck after being pulled over by a police deputy.
A dash cam video shows Deputy Chris Sturdivant of the Livingston Parish Sheriff’s Office with his arms around Adam Stogner’s neck after the officer suspected the man of putting a small quantity of drugs into his mouth.
Video Here
[/URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?)v=3SoBn86IPTE
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Minneapolis Police Chief Tim Dolan told the Star-Tribune that he plans to ask for help from the FBI in investigating a disturbing police video that shows 42-year-old Darryl Jenkins being beaten by as many as six police officers.
Jenkins was Tasered several times and beaten so badly he defecated on himself and officers.
Video Here
http://www.youtube.com/watch? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?)v=_jVk1DQ7fdY
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Cop pulls family out of funeral procession over seat-belts... They miss the burial...
SPOKANE, Wash. -- When Donald Ross's sister passed, more than 100 people attended her funeral mass in Spokane.
The burial was scheduled for a nearby cemetery, but Ross and his family only made it a quarter of a mile when flashing lights forced them to the side of the road.
"Harold, his (my husband's) brother, said, 'You pulled us out of a funeral procession,'" said wife Shirley Ross.
But the deputy kept them there, writing up five citations because the driver and the passengers were not wearing a seat belts. And the sheriff's department says he had every right.
"We're out here trying to prevent funerals, not disrupt them," said Dave Reagan of Spokane County Sheriff's Office.
Those five tickets took 12 minutes to write. By the time Ross and his family members got back on the road, the burial was over.
The family members admit they weren't wearing their seat belts, but say it shouldn't have cost them the chance to say goodbye.
"It's a stage in our life where you want to give your last respects and hear the final prayers and the closing of the ceremony," Shirley Ross said. "We missed that and it's something I'll remember for as long as I live. And I think it was just uncalled for."
The deputy, who was a part of a special emphasis group, was only giving out tickets, not warnings. Donald and Shirley Ross plan to appeal theirs.
"I think it was unjust. It was totally unbelievable," said Shirley Ross.
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Innocent New Yorkers Stopped, Interrogated by NYPD
The NYPD stopped and interrogated more innocent people during the first six months of 2009 than during any six-month period since the Department began collecting data on its troubling stop-and-frisk program. Police made more than 273,000 stops of completely innocent New Yorkers – the overwhelming majority of whom were black and Latino. Though these innocent people did nothing wrong, their names and home addresses are now stored in an NYPD database.
“These aren’t statistics – these are innocent New Yorkers who have had their dignity man-handled by the very people who are sworn to protect and serve them,” said Donna Lieberman, the executive director of the New York Civil Liberties Union. “Hundreds of thousands of our neighbors who have done absolutely nothing wrong have been humiliated in front of their parents, children, friends and neighbors. This stunning abuse of power must end. It is not a crime to walk down the street in New York City, yet every day innocent black and brown New Yorkers are turned into suspects for doing just that.”
According to an NYPD report obtained and analyzed by the NYCLU this week, police stopped and interrogated New Yorkers 140,552 times between April and June. Nearly nine out of 10 of these stops resulted in no charges or citations. This record number of stops fell disproportionately on the city’s communities of color – 74,283 of those stopped were black and 44,296 were Latino, while only 13,906 were white.
The Department made another 171,094 stops between January and March. Overall, this record number of stops represents a 15 percent increase from the 270,937 stops conducted during the first six months of 2008. If stops continue at this pace, the NYPD will conduct a record 610,000 stops in 2009. In 2008, the current record, police stopped New Yorkers 531,159 times.
Over the past five-and-a-half years, New Yorkers have been subjected to the practice more than 2.5 million times – a rate of 1,260 every day. The Department is then recording the name and home address of every person stopped.
“The NYPD is, in effect, building a massive database of black and brown New Yorkers,” said NYCLU Associate Legal Director Christopher Dunn. “Innocent New Yorkers who are the victims of unjustified police stops should not suffer the further harm of having their personal information kept in an NYPD database, which simply makes them targets for future investigations.”
In the summer of 2007, the NYCLU served the NYPD with a formal legal request to turn over the complete stop-and-frisk database under the state’s Freedom of Information Law. The Department resisted transparency and so, in November 2007, the NYCLU filed a lawsuit in State Supreme Court challenging the NYPD. In May of 2008, the NYCLU won that case and received the database in October, 2008. The NYCLU is currently analyzing that database and will publish its findings this year.
The NYCLU requested the information to allow for an independent analysis of the Department’s stop-and-frisk practices, which have been the subject of enormous controversy since the 1999 shooting death of Amadou Diallo.
The NYCLU’s concerns about excessive numbers of stops are supported by the RAND Corporation study commissioned by the Department in 2007. That report estimated that, “[e]ven with the most liberal assumptions,” one would expect the NYPD to have “roughly 250,000 to 330,000 stops” each year. Even when measured against the most permissive of standards, the NYPD is on its way to conducting 300,000 more stops than would be expected.
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Man serves 3 months in jail for peppermint in mouth...
Kissimmee Police Department officers pulled Donald May over for an expired tag.
When the officer walked up to him, he noticed something white in May's mouth. May said it was breath mints, but the officer thought it was crack cocaine.
"He took them out of my mouth and put them in a baggy and locked me up [for] possession of cocaine and tampering with evidence," May explained.
The officer claimed he field-tested the evidence and it tested positive for drugs.
The officer said he saw May buying drugs while he was stopped at an intersection. He also stated in his report that May waived his Miranda rights and voluntarily admitted to buying drugs.
May said that never happened, reports WFTV News.
They wouldn't let May out of jail for three months until tests proved the so-called drugs were candy.
While May was behind bars, the Kissimmee Police Department towed his car and auctioned it off. He lost his job and was evicted.
http://weblogs.sun-sentinel (http://weblogs.sun-sentinel).com/news/specials/weirdflorida/blog/2009/08/kissimmee_police_department_of.html
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Mom in minivan tasered twice in Salina traffic stop
In January, an Onondaga County sheriff's deputy pulled over Audra Harmon, who had two of her kids with her in her minivan. A routine traffic stop escalated quickly.
The deputy, Sean Andrews, accused her of talking on her cell phone. She said she could prove him wrong.
He said she was speeding. She denied it and got out of the van. He told her to get back in. She did, then he ordered her back out.
He yanked her out by the arm, knocked her down with two Taser shots and charged her with disorderly conduct and resisting arrest. His rationale on the disorderly conduct charge: She obstructed traffic when she got out of the van. The speeding accusation: going 50 mph in a 45-mph zone.
[url]http://www.syracuse.com/news/ (http://www.syracuse.com/news/)index.ssf/2009/08/mom_in_minivan_tasered_in_traf.html
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