Finally watched the Glenn Beck "Obama's a racist" clip.

[jmdrake]

I'll probably take a lot of heat over this....

Not to detract from the "help" we're getting from Glen Beck...

Not to discourage those trying to defeat the boycott....but...

Beck's statements were just plain stupid. Sorry. They were. Could Obama be racist? Sure. Do I believe Obama when he said he never heard Rev. Wright say anything controversial? Of course not. But does the fact that Obama said the cop in the Professor Gates arrest acted "stupidly" mean Obama is a racist? OF COURSE NOT! NOT UNLESS YOU THINK JUDGE ANDREW NAPALITINO HATES WHITE PEOPLE TOO! After all the good judge said the cop acted unconstitutionally. Now personally I think someone who took an oath to uphold the constitution and doesn't know he can't enter someone's house without probable cause and demand an ID and doesn't know he can't arrest someone for simply exercising his first amendment right to say "yo mama" isn't too bright. It would be one thing if Obama had said "the cop was clearly racist". I would have preferred it if he had said "The arrest didn't seem to be constitutional". But calling him a racist over this is beyond the pale.

Worse yet when pinned down on the number of white people in Obama's cabinet, Beck responded with "Well I'm not saying he doesn't like white people....but he's a racist". Huh? :confused: Maybe Beck meant to say Obama is a race baiter. That's still not provable by the "Gates arrest" example, although the charge can be clearly made by other examples. (White people who don't vote for me are just clinging to their guns and their Bibles comes to mind). Gates did play the race card himself. Obama criticized the police action. How long does a person have to way after reviewing the facts in such a case before forming an opinion? When Janet Reno ordered the raid on Waco I immediately said it was a stupid move. It wasn't until later that I realized the move wasn't just stupid, it was criminal. Anyway, here's GB being pulled apart for his comments.

YouTube - Glenn Beck Calls Obama A Racist (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzKFYcHKbnk)

[RM918]

In any political opposition, there exists a desire to demean one's opponents. Unavoidable. But it should be controlled rationally, throwing unproven insults around won't help when there's plenty of pretty legitimate insults to throw.

[Flash]

I know, calling him racist is beyond the pale. Obama SHOULD defend racist-pigs like Gates ,who say "I'll meet ya mama outside" and won't present an ID, immediently after the incident and take his side over the cops. May be Obama shouldn't just side with people on racial issues. Hm? You can defend Gates all you want, OP, but that isn't the arguement. The arguement is if OBAMA IS A RACIST, and from the Gates incident it is clear that he is 100% in the wrong by automatically siding with an obscure black professor over the cops.

And as Gates being a professor, do you think it was intelligent for him to begin crying and screaming like an insane man and saying "I"LL MEETCH YA MAMA OUTSIDE?" If I was President Obama, I would've disowned this imbecile just as I would disagree with the cops.

Or may be Obama shouldn't support racist programs like affirmative action, that give qualified jobs to unqualified employees who are of minority status. Hm? Nah, how dare we judge the black President that listened to Reverend Wright for a decade.

But fine, ignore the obvious facts concerning Obama and his racism. Ignore the civil rights leader that told whites to "do what is right" at Obama's inaguration. Ignore all of Rev Wright's tape. Ignore his attorney general calling us (whites) a nation of cowards on racial issues. Go ahead and partake in the boycott of Glenn Beck. Then when 2011 rolls around and you complain that Hannity, Limbaugh, Olbermann, Dobbs, Wolf blitzer, etc... aren't giving Ron Paul any airtime or attention, and you have no representation in the main-stream media, I'll point out threads like these.


OF COURSE NOT! NOT UNLESS YOU THINK JUDGE ANDREW NAPALITINO HATES WHITE PEOPLE TOO!

I'm pretty certain the Judge didn't jump on and call the police idiots and say Professor Gates did everything right. Did he? ;)
I don't understand why certain people can't just present their ID, talk respectfully to the cops. Why does this fraud/phony Professor have to make a HUGE scene and begin using slurs like "I'll meetch ya momma outside?" Why did Obama immediently rush to defend this guy over the police, whom suspected Gates was breaking into a house? It's immature on Obama's side and very unpresidential and show racist tendencies, not that we need anymore proof that Obama is a racist. But whatever.


Heres Obama's racist Pastor claiming Jesus, the Isrealite, was of the Negroid racial type and rich white people oppressed him.

YouTube - BARACK OBAMA Pastor Jeremiah Wright Black Jesus Hillary Nigg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sfu2P6cGhWo)

[Liberty Star]

I have seen zillions of threads here how bad and anti RP Fox news is. I have also seen many threads on how Obama was plant of anti American lobbies. The two kicking other is a bad thing how? Good for freedom.

Beck, Faux going out of mis-news biz could create room for some honest news reporting media once other crooks at MSNBC/CNN are also convinced that there is less money in lying. Down with Faux/MSNBC/CNN.

[Flash]

I have seen zillions of threads here how bad and anti RP Fox news is. I have also seen many threads on how Obama was plant of anti American lobbies. The two kicking other is a bad thing how? Good for freedom.

Beck, Faux going out of mis-news biz could create room for some honest news reporting media once other crooks at MSNBC/CNN are also convinced that there is less money in lying. Down with Faux/MSNBC/CNN.

Glenn Beck is the only big MSM figure to have Rand Paul on. Not only that, but he speaks to an audience close to 3 million people. Keep complaining about him and wishing he gets taken off the air. Then in 2011 when no one in the MSM is taking Ron Paul seriously, don't complain.

[Matt Collins]

John, I think the entire thing is a distraction to the real issues at hand.

[Epic]

OP misses crucial distinction.

Obama said cop acted stupidly by racial profiling - he immediately launched into a lecture about how blacks have been oppressed by white policemen over the years. He wasn't concerned about constitutional rights like Judge Nap. was.

the fact is, Obama immediately assumed the cop acted in a racist way. The evidence is on tape.

[Flash]

double post

[speciallyblend]

glenn beck has to deal with what he says just as obama does! glenn beck said some stupid things and obama has to. one is President. the other is a shock jock wanna be!

glenn beck fill in the blank____ . personally it might be a blessing if glenn becks 3 million so called viewers stayed home and didn't vote!!

[emazur]

Glenn Beck is the only big MSM figure to have Rand Paul on.

I like Beck but to be fair he's not the only one in the MSM to have Rand Paul on - he's been Maddow and Cavuto. They aren't big enough for you?
YouTube - Rand Paul on Rachel Maddow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtWn3ijbiDg)
YouTube - 8/5/09 Rand Paul Announces Senate Bid on Cavuto (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk7ohLj7f5I)

[dannno]

Ya I dunno if I agree with Glenn Beck on that particular issue, but I don't think he should get kicked off of the air for it either..

[Flash]

I like Beck but to be fair he's not the only one in the MSM to have Rand Paul on - he's been Maddow and Cavuto. They aren't big enough for you?

Look at a ratings chart. Infact, another user recently posted one under General Politics. FOX NEWS is crushing everyone else. Cavuto is OK, but Glenn Beck gets close to 3 million viewers. For a 5pm timeslot, thats HUGE!

And Maddow is an irrelevant Socialist that no one watches and has implied Town Hallers were racists.


Ya I dunno if I agree with Glenn Beck on that particular issue, but I don't think he should get kicked off of the air for it either..

Everyone on here with an ounce of common sense doesn't want him kicked off the air. I garuntee you, these will be the same people complaining in 2011 that no one in the MSM is giving Ron Paul any airtime. So we'll have to listen to these people whine endlessly on how FOX doesn't take them seriously, even though we didn't do anything to get prevent the most Libertarian host on FOX from being fired. This place sometimes makes me so sick.

[BlackTerrel]

Glenn Beck made a dumb argument and he knows it. He also should spell his name with only one N.

[kahless]

Obama supports legislation that discrimates against poor whites. The man is a racist.

If Bush pushed legislation that provided houses at 50% less value to whites only he would have been impeached as a racist.

[jmdrake]

I know, calling him racist is beyond the pale. Obama SHOULD defend racist-pigs like Gates ,who say "I'll meet ya mama outside" and won't present an ID, immediently after the incident and take his side over the cops.


Let's see. A cop barges into someone's home WITHOUT A WARRANT AND WITHOUT PROBABLE CAUSE and the VICTIM is a "racist pig"? Did you call the white woman who got tazed after refusing to sign a speeding ticket a "racist pig"? Oh, but she was white and so was the cop so her behavior was alright then. I'm not saying Gates was perfect. But he had a right to be upset. And if you don't understand that yet you have a lot of growing up to do in the freedom movement



May be Obama shouldn't just side with people on racial issues. Hm?


Obama didn't mention race. I'm tired of people ignoring this crucial fact. I see people in the freedom movement stand up for the rights of REAL racist pigs like Randy Weaver. Gates simply got mad and called a cop a racist. Maybe he was mistaken. But under the circumstances of a clear violation of his 4th amendment rights it's not beyond reason that he might think race had something to do with it. Randy Weaver on the other hand openly admits to being a white separatist! Yet people in the freedom movement (including myself) are quick to point out that the Feds were wrong in that case. Well the cop was wrong in this case. He DID act either out of ignorance of (stupidly) or arrogance to the constitution. I think he was a well meaning but ignorant cop.



You can defend Gates all you want, OP, but that isn't the arguement. The arguement is if OBAMA IS A RACIST, and from the Gates incident it is clear that he is 100% in the wrong by automatically siding with an obscure black professor over the cops.


I'm not defending Gates. Nor am I saying Obama isn't a racist. I'm defending the constitution! If you can't defend the constitution because you don't like the actions of a particular person then you have no place in this movement! I mean that. I will stand up for a racist jerk like Randy Weaver when his constitutional rights are violated. I will stand up for the 72 year old white woman that gets tazed after refusing to sign a speeding ticket. And I will stand up for a professor who gets pissed after a cop violates his 4th amendment rights and then the cop refuses to give his ID! Yes that's right. The police are supposed to be public servants and not public slave masters! When the officer realized he made a mistake he should have apologized and gave his name and badge number to the citizen that requested it. Had this been a black officer and a white citizen he should have given his name and badge number too. This forum is COVERED in threads with complaints against police abuse. But in this ONE case of police abuse many of the same people who CLAIM to be against a police state OPENLY ENDORSE A POLICE STATE! Get this through your head. If the police come to your door without a warrant and without probable cause and demand that you show them your ID YOU ARE UNDER NO CONSTITUTIONAL OBLIGATION TO LET THEM IN! And Flash, even though you aren't willing to admit that Gates has such a right, I would stand up for you in such an instance. I would stand up for anybody.



And as Gates being a professor, do you think it was intelligent for him to begin crying and screaming like an insane man and saying "I"LL MEETCH YA MAMA OUTSIDE?"


Do I think it was intelligent for a 72 year old white woman to say "I'm not going to sign this ticket and I dare you to taze me?" The first amendment protects all speech including stupid speech. On the other hand Gates did get what he wanted. This cop who had violated his 4th amendment rights was trying to get away unidentified. At least the incident resulted in identification of a cop that doesn't know the 4th amendment.



If I was President Obama, I would've disowned this imbecile just as I would disagree with the cops.


Ah. So you WOULD have disagreed with the cops! Great. At least you're making SOME progress. Now are you going to disown every Ron Paul supporter that engages in civil disobedience in defense of the constitution? Think about it. Over the past couple of days we've all been applauding the brother who showed up at the rally with the AR-15. While I laud his bravery I wouldn't have done that myself. There are too many trigger happy feds out there. Someone could have sparked an incident just so that they could have shot him. Or look at it another way. Imagine if a cop demanded entrance into Jesse Ventura's house, demanded his ID, never apologized for the incident, and then refused to give his badge number. If Jesse had gotten pissed and mouthed off at the cops would you have disowned them too? Would you have disowned the young men that started throwing snowballs at the redcoats which started the Boston massacre which helped start the revolutionary war?



Or may be Obama shouldn't support racist programs like affirmative action, that give qualified jobs to unqualified employees who are of minority status. Hm? Nah, how dare we judge the black President that listened to Reverend Wright for a decade.


Federal Affirmative Action began under Richard Nixon. Maybe Nixon hated white people too. Regardless that's a red herring. I didn't say Obama wasn't racist. I said this incident didn't prove it. Please learn to read more carefully.



But fine, ignore the obvious facts concerning Obama and his racism. Ignore the civil rights leader that told whites to "do what is right" at Obama's inaguration. Ignore all of Rev Wright's tape.


Do you have a reading disability? I already mentioned Reverend Wright in my first post! I said I don't believe for a second that Obama never heard anything Reverend Right had to say!



I'm pretty certain the Judge didn't jump on and call the police idiots and say Professor Gates did everything right. Did he? ;)


Again learn to read. I said the judge pointed out the cop violated the constitution. The bill of rights are pretty easy to understand. If this cop doesn't understand them then, by deduction, he acted stupidly. If this cop does understand the constitution and violated it on purpose he acted criminally. That doesn't mean Gates did everything "right". Randy Weaver didn't do everything "right". But Weaver's "rights" were still violated. The Branch Davidians didn't do everything "right". But their "rights" were still violated. If the police have the freedom to violate people's rights everytime they provoke them into doing something stupid then we have no freedom left in this country.



I don't understand why certain people can't just present their ID, talk respectfully to the cops. Why does this fraud/phony Professor have to make a HUGE scene and begin using slurs like "I'll meetch ya momma outside?"


If you read the report, you'd know the REAL PROFESSOR DID speak respectful to the cop and DID give the cop his ID even though he was not constitutionally required to do so! It was after the cop refused the reasonable request for his badge number that Gates got pissed! Really, did you attack the 72 year old white woman who got tazed? If so please provide a link to that thread. She was talking disrespectfully to the police. And the police officer was actually acting proper initially in that case.



Why did Obama immediently rush to defend this guy over the police, whom suspected Gates was breaking into a house? It's immature on Obama's side and very unpresidential and show racist tendencies, not that we need anymore proof that Obama is a racist. But whatever.


Why did everyone here immediately defend the 72 year old white woman who got tazed after refusing to sign a ticket and daring the cop to taze her? Why did just about everybody in the patriot community immediately take the side of the Branch Davidians and Randy Weaver? Why did Judge Napolitino say that the arrest was improper almost immediately? Quit being a hypocrite. Quit only defending the constitution when it's applied to people you like and/or sympathize with.



Heres Obama's racist Pastor claiming Jesus, the Isrealite, was of the Negroid racial type and rich white people oppressed him.


Again I mentioned Pastor Wright in my initial post. You really need to brush up on your reading comprehension skills. And quit being a hypocrite.

Regards,

John M. Drake

[BenIsForRon]

I like reverend Wright. I would have voted for Obama if he had still been going to Wright's sermons.

[jmdrake]

Obama supports legislation that discrimates against poor whites. The man is a racist.

If Bush pushed legislation that provided houses at 50% less value to whites only he would have been impeached as a racist.

I never said Obama wasn't a racist. I don't like Obama. I just posted a thread yesterday pointing out the fact that Obama wants to draft more inner city (black) kids to kill and die in Iraq and Afghanistan. He's worse than a racist.

That said this particular incident does not prove he is racist because its possible to look at this incident and immediately come to the conclusion that the cop did act stupidly! Again I appeal to the Patriot community's sense of honor and fairness. If you immediately came to the conclusion that Janet Reno acted stupidly and/or criminally when it came to Waco (I know I did and I have even voted for her boss) then you have no right to judge someone else as "racist" for coming immediately to the conclusion that the cop acted stupidly in this case by 1) violating the 4th amendment 2) refusing to give his badge number after Gate POLITELY gave the cop HIS ID and 3) arresting Gates for getting (understandably) pissed and exercising his 1st amendment rights.

But hey, maybe I don't understand the Patriot movement. Maybe all of this talk about upholding the constitution is just talk. Maybe if the cops show up at your door demanding you and your children show them your Real ID and/or take your shots or your implantable microchips some of you are just going to roll over and take it because the cops were being "reasonable" while violating the constitution. But I don't think that's true for a minute. I think this situation is simply being looked at differently because Gates is not "one of us" and had he been Randy Weaver or David Koresh the reaction would have been quite different. But Glenn Beck is not "one of us" either. He's shown multiple times already that he doesn't respect the constitution. He called us enemies of the constitution or crying out loud! So while I appreciate the little bit of "help" we get from him, and I don't want to see him off the air, I'm not going to back up every stupid unconstitutional position he puts out.

Regards,

John M. Drake

[jmdrake]

I like reverend Wright. I would have voted for Obama if he had still been going to Wright's sermons.

LOL. I'm not jumping into that ants nest except to say this. Reverend Wright was also criticized for saying that 9/11 was America's "chickens coming home to roost". Well whats the difference between that and Ron Paul saying 9/11 was due to "blow back"? The chickens just "blew back home". (Frankly I disagree with Ron Paul and Reverend Wright on 9/11 but that's a thread for Hot Topics.)

[RM918]

While I agree that Obama probably fits the definition of racist, just like a /lot/ of people do today because they've been trained to treat people as colors and not as individuals for a long time, my beef with not defending Beck on this is because if you go around calling them racists, you're sinking to their level. It's just further ad hominem attacks, racist is the new 'communist' or 'imbecile' or 'whackjob', it's just a way to label someone something to dismiss all of their new views.

While Beck has been doing us good, I wouldn't care how much good he did if going along with him would force us to compromise our values. I don't trust him, his rhetoric changed on a dime and to suddenly lift him up as a champion of liberty like some people have been trying to do is simply naive and forgetting the past. This guy is a GOP shill through and through, I've /never/ heard him criticizing other GOPers (Unless they were for Paul, at least!) and until I see him acting consistently on our fence the guy is controlled opposition.

[Kraig]

I agree calling Obama a racist was stupid and I also think Beck is intentionally throwing fuel in the fire to divide the country between those who are pro-Obama and those who are against what the government has been doing (which includes the Obama administration).