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tangent4ronpaul
08-17-2009, 01:47 PM
He hired this guy!

New FEMA head urges personal responsibility
what a concept!
Disasters September 2009

FEMA’s new administrator has a message for Americans: get in touch with your survival instinct.

by Amanda Ripley

In Case of Emergency

Image credit: Mike Theiss/Corbis

Craig Fugate, the new head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency under President Barack Obama, is an unusual choice for the job, historically speaking. Unlike many of his predecessors, most famously Michael “Heckuva Job” Brown under President George W. Bush, Fugate (pronounced few-gate) has experience in the relevant subject matter. A former firefighter, Fugate managed disasters for 20 years in Florida, the fiasco capital of America. Even more bizarrely for FEMA, often a dumping ground for friends of the powerful, Fugate has no political connections to Obama. Instead, he got his job the old-fashioned way—when Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano was looking for candidates, people kept mentioning his name. He has a reputation for telling it like it is—in a field where “it” is usually bad. And what Fugate has to say may come as strong medicine for his fellow citizens, nine out of 10 of whom now live in a place at significant risk for some kind of disaster.

A bear of a man with a white goatee, an aw-shucks accent, and a voice just slightly higher than you expect, Fugate has no university degrees but knows enough to be mistaken for a meteorologist by hurricane experts. He grew up in Alachua County, smack in the middle of Florida. Both of his parents died before he graduated from high school. As a teenager, he followed his father’s example and became a volunteer firefighter. Then he became a paramedic, earning the nickname “Dr. Death” for having to pronounce more people dead on his first day than anyone before him. But he found his calling when he moved into emergency management, in 1989. Obsessively planning for horrible things he could not really control seemed to inspire him. “He is emergency management,” says Will May Jr., who worked with Fugate for more than 20 years and is now Alachua’s public-safety director. “That’s what he does. He spends practically all his waking life working in it, thinking about it, talking about it, planning how to do things better.”

Fugate is well respected, which is not the same thing as being well liked. “If they wanted a politician, Craig’s not your man,” says Ed Kennedy, who drove ambulances with him in Alachua. “Craig’s personality is more ‘Speak straight, don’t powder-puff it.’” Already, Fugate is saying things most emergency managers say only in private.

“We need to change behavior in this country,” he told about 400 emergency-management instructors at a conference in June, lambasting the “government-centric” approach to disasters. He learned a perverse lesson in Florida: the more the federal government does in routine emergencies, the greater the odds of catastrophic failure in a big disaster. “It’s like a Chinese finger trap,” he told me last spring, as a hailstorm fittingly raged outside his office. If the feds do more, the public, along with state and local officials, do less. They come to expect ice and water in 24 hours and full reimbursement for sodden carpets. But as part of a federal system, FEMA is designed to defer to state and local officials. If another Katrina hits, and the locals are overwhelmed, a full-strength federal response will inevitably take time. People who need help the most—the elderly, the disabled, and the poor—may not get it fast enough.

To avoid “system collapse,” as he puts it, Fugate insists that the government must draft the public. “We tend to look at the public as a liability. [But] who is going to be the fastest responder when your house falls on your head? Your neighbor.” A few years ago, Fugate dropped the word victim from his vocabulary. “You’re not going to hear me refer to people as victims unless we’ve lost ’em. I call them survivors.” He criticizes the media for “celebrating” people who choose not to evacuate and then have to be rescued on live TV—while ignoring all the people who were prepared. “This is a tragedy, this whole Shakespearean circle we’re in. You never hear the media say, ‘Hey, you’re putting this rescue worker in danger.’”

At his first all-staff meeting with FEMA employees, Fugate asked for a show of hands: “How many people here have your family disaster plan ready to go? [If you don’t], you just failed your first test … If you’re going to be an emergency manager, the first place you start is at home.” Already, Fugate is factoring citizens into the agency’s models for catastrophic planning, thinking of them as rescuers and responders, not just victims. And he has changed FEMA’s mission statement from the old, paternalistic (and fantastical) vow to “protect the Nation from all hazards” to a more modest, collaborative pledge to “support our citizens and first responders to ensure that as a nation we work together.”

In Florida, Fugate was notorious for what he called “Thunderbolt” drills. Once a month, he’d walk into the office with a large Starbucks coffee and tell everyone to stop what they were doing and respond to a catastrophe baked in his imagination. Sometimes it was a blackout; other times it was a small nuclear bomb.

“People are afraid to fail. I’m seeking failure,” he told me. “I want to break things. I want to see what’s going on so we can fix it.”

By the five-month mark of his administration, President Obama had declared 31 major disasters, from Alaska to Arkansas. And Fugate had already held his first Thunderbolt drill in Washington. At 6 a.m. on a rainy Thursday, he sent word to FEMA staff: a major earthquake had struck in California. Staffers, awoken from sleep, scrambled to get to the office. Many did not make it. Communications broke down, as they usually do in real life. For a man seeking failure, it was a fine start.

The URL for this page is http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200909/fema

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mport1
08-17-2009, 01:54 PM
Abolishing FEMA would be the right thing to do.

__27__
08-17-2009, 01:57 PM
Abolishing FEMA would be the right thing to do.

I was thinking the same thing. Appointing someone like this is like reassuring the woman you're raping that you're wearing a condom.

Epic
08-17-2009, 01:58 PM
I was thinking the same thing. Appointing someone like this is like reassuring the woman you're raping that you're wearing a condom.

I think if you're on the bottom, that works too, just cause of gravity.

Oh yeah, and abolish FEMA!

qh4dotcom
08-17-2009, 11:00 PM
Show me where in the Constitution does the government have the authority to run an agency like FEMA

tangent4ronpaul
08-18-2009, 07:17 AM
Show me where in the Constitution does the government have the authority to run an agency like FEMA

For the part of FEMA that are "the disaster people" - that would be the general welfare clause.

For the part of FEMA charged with CoG (Continuity of Government), part of that might be Constitutional under ability to raise troops in case of declared war (ie: if we were attacked), but in general I think that half is un-constitutional.

What I like about the guy is:

He's not a political cronie
He actually knows what he's doing
He's urging people to be self-reliant and taking care of each on a local level rather than the nanny state moving in during disasters and bossing everyone around - usually making the situation worse.

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Original_Intent
08-18-2009, 07:29 AM
I don't like FEMA on principle, but it sounds like this is a good guy.

max
08-18-2009, 08:02 AM
I wonder what this guy thought about the illegal disarmamant of Loisiana gun owners during Katrina

jmdrake
08-18-2009, 08:08 AM
Abolishing FEMA would be the right thing to do.

+1776!

I saw a lot of Bush apologists (neocons) using the "personal responsibility" argument to deflect criticism of FEMA's failure. FEMA didn't just not help. They got in the way! Volunteer firefighters were redirected from going to New Orleans and sent to Atlanta for "sensitivity training" and be "ambassadors for FEMA".

http://www.discriminations.us/2005/09/fema_fiddles_with_sexual_harra.html

Aid ships were turned back. Relief supplies from Walmart and the Red Cross were turned back.

http://www.crisispapers.org/guests/bungling.htm

Doctors were told they had to get a "special permit" to go in and help.

Cuba tried to help. They were rebuffed.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9311876/

And then there was the allegations of FEMA sabotage by Jefferson Parish president Aaron Broussard.

YouTube - Katrina Files- Sept 04 Aaron Broussard (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9dJjAEVZ4g)

But some say "Well he's just a democrat". Well what about former REPUBLICAN senate majority leader Trent Lott saying he was "ashamed" by the government response to Katrina?

Yes. Let's all be personally responsible. But I we don't need to pay billions in taxes to support an agency that we can't actually count on in time of an emergency just so that the head of the agency can say we should be "personally responsible".

When I've said FEMA should be abolished some people say "Why through the baby out with the bathwater". Well a federal government agency is NOT the baby! It's the bathwater! The "baby" is the American people! If the bathwater is making the baby sick THROW IT OUT!

Regards,

John M. Drake

tangent4ronpaul
08-18-2009, 08:34 AM
I wonder what this guy thought about the illegal disarmamant of Loisiana gun owners during Katrina

Can't find anything about him talking on the subject, however....

It looks like one of his relatives owned a gun store.

I did find a statement where he was saying we try and evacuate, but some people are suborn. (ie: let um stay if they want.

He's been through a lot of hurricanes and you've never heard of Floridians being disarmed.

and attached to an article about about a storm he was managing the response to was this comment:

"I was there today with my trackhoe to help . Looting is nonexistent. Looting? None. Perhaps this because everyone is armed. We look out for each other out here."

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tangent4ronpaul
08-18-2009, 08:44 AM
Yes, FEMA has been a disgrace. and normally I'd agree with you. But I think this guy can get it back on track. Give him a chance and maybe, just maybe Reagans famous quote won't be so true:

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"

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jmdrake
08-18-2009, 09:07 AM
Yes, FEMA has been a disgrace. and normally I'd agree with you. But I think this guy can get it back on track. Give him a chance and maybe, just maybe Reagans famous quote won't be so true:

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"

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Is he planning on asking for a massive budget cut? Is he planning to ask for powers to be taken AWAY from FEMA? If so I will stand up and applaud.

The problem with FEMA is a systemic one. FEMA represents what's known as a "single point of failure". Because of all of the power that has been vested in FEMA any problem, whether accidental or purposeful, cascades throughout the entire system. Here's an example. Most churches have some kind of disaster response group. In the old days each church would replicate the basic services of collection, storage and distribution of aid. The new FEMA way is for one denomination to handle collection, another storage and another distribution. More efficient right? Well you've lost something more important than efficiency and that's redundancy. We saw this in Katrina. It fell on two men (Brown and Chertoff) to ok sending aid to the New Orleans convention center. Even though this was on the news for DAYS nothing happened. In the old days several different churches would have shown up immediately after seeing this on the news.

You see the same problem of a single point of failure in the recent peanut butter problem.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/02/04/fema.peanut.butter/

Such a massive contamination and recall is less likely to happen from multiple smaller organizations buying off the shelf food as opposed to the government using a single contractor. (I'm not sure if this happened under the guy you are supporting or not.)

I have nothing personal against the new director. If FEMA was abolished and replaced with something constitutional he might be a good person to be over it. The "M" in FEMA is what needs to go. The federal government has no business "managing" emergency responses. First of all that's a state function and second that's why we have the "single point of failure". A "FECA" department might be acceptable. (Replace "management" with "coordinating"). I volunteered in the aftermath of hurricane Andrew many years ago. There were problems with certain relief centers having too much and/or too little of a particular item. A "coordinating" agency that would facilitate communication about and transfer of such items to different centers would have been nice. But this could be accomplished through a simple "Craigslist" type website. But I doubt the feds would be willing to give up power like that. And "FECA" is too close to "FECAL". ;)

Regards,

John M. Drake

tangent4ronpaul
08-18-2009, 04:14 PM
He was testifying to a committee earlier on C-SPAN and seemed to be leaning toward coordinating and supporting state response. He was an emergency manager in FL through 34 hurricanes and I'm sure got regularly screwed by FEMA. That's why I think we are going to see some very positive reform. He's also a former firefighter and paramedic - not a career bureaucrat.

Kind of like Congress critters - I'd vote for a waitress or a cab driver over a lawyer any day of the week!

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jmdrake
08-18-2009, 04:25 PM
He was testifying to a committee earlier on C-SPAN and seemed to be leaning toward coordinating and supporting state response. He was an emergency manager in FL through 34 hurricanes and I'm sure got regularly screwed by FEMA. That's why I think we are going to see some very positive reform. He's also a former firefighter and paramedic - not a career bureaucrat.

Kind of like Congress critters - I'd vote for a waitress or a cab driver over a lawyer any day of the week!

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Well that's good to hear. But do you think Obama will actually LET him reduce FEMAs power? Remember the guy Obama nominated to be over internet security who quit when he realized the government was trying to take over the internet?

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/03/breaking-cyber/

The woman nominated to replace him also resigned.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/08/white-house-cyber-czar-resigns-good-riddance/

If you're right about the FEMA chief I hope he can stay on while still keeping his soul.

tangent4ronpaul
08-18-2009, 04:28 PM
Maybe not reduce it, but rather not exercise it and make the latter policy.

Remember Bush got serious egg on his face over Katrina.

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