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Howard_Roark
08-16-2009, 09:26 AM
I am so confused, I was reading an article this morning saying that CA has an annual budget now of $85 billion. Curious to see what TX was I read an article that they just approved a $182 billion/2 year budget. Every statistic though says that CA has the largest state governments, while TX has the smaller. I have done over an hour of research and not been able to get to the bottom of this and am now very confused. What am I missing here?

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/DN-budget_09tex.ART.State.Edition2.50a8d5c.html

http://www.sfexaminer.com/nation/ap/48195897.html

james1906
08-16-2009, 09:27 AM
link?

CoreyBowen999
08-16-2009, 09:33 AM
If anybody says Texas has a small government, they are lieing. There is hardly such a thing anymore.

Howard_Roark
08-16-2009, 09:34 AM
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/DN-budget_09tex.ART.State.Edition2.50a8d5c.html

http://www.sfexaminer.com/nation/ap/48195897.html

james1906
08-16-2009, 10:02 AM
This makes no sense.

torchbearer
08-16-2009, 10:10 AM
how much money does texas pull in from its fuel industry?

sratiug
08-16-2009, 10:18 AM
Chuck Norris and his ninja rangers got to be paid!!! And then there's all the jails they had to build for all the criminals Chuck Norris caught.

Howard_Roark
08-16-2009, 11:57 AM
If anybody says Texas has a small government, they are lieing. There is hardly such a thing anymore.

Thats a rediculous generalization to make. Go live in New York City and come back and tell me Texas doesn't have a small government.

Really no one here has any insight into this?

Kotin
08-16-2009, 12:03 PM
first of all.. were in one of the higher tenth largest economies in the world while CA is 5th I believe..


today, relatively speaking, Texas has somewhat smaller government.. certainly in comparison to many states.. we are also one of I think 3 or 4 that wont be bankrupt in a year.. we have a 9 billion dollar surplus..

satchelmcqueen
08-16-2009, 12:13 PM
Thats a rediculous generalization to make. Go live in New York City and come back and tell me Texas doesn't have a small government.

Really no one here has any insight into this?

the kid is in texas.:confused:

Shinerxx
08-16-2009, 12:14 PM
Very informative site:

http://www.texasbudgetsource.com/texas-state-budget

lynnf
08-16-2009, 12:55 PM
I am so confused, I was reading an article this morning saying that CA has an annual budget now of $85 billion. Curious to see what TX was I read an article that they just approved a $182 billion/2 year budget. Every statistic though says that CA has the largest state governments, while TX has the smaller. I have done over an hour of research and not been able to get to the bottom of this and am now very confused. What am I missing here?

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/DN-budget_09tex.ART.State.Edition2.50a8d5c.html

http://www.sfexaminer.com/nation/ap/48195897.html



ya know, those Trans-Texas Corrdors/ Nafta Superhighways are real, real, expensive!


lynn

Zippyjuan
08-16-2009, 01:28 PM
first of all.. were in one of the higher tenth largest economies in the world while CA is 5th I believe..


today, relatively speaking, Texas has somewhat smaller government.. certainly in comparison to many states.. we are also one of I think 3 or 4 that wont be bankrupt in a year.. we have a 9 billion dollar surplus..

As a percent of their economy that would mean that Texas has a bigger government (more spending) than California since our total economy is bigger and our total government outlays are lower.

Texas State Budget breakdown:
http://www.texasbudgetsource.com/files/slide1.gif
http://www.texasbudgetsource.com/texas-budget

California (last year's budget but the allocations should be similar):
http://2007-08.archives.ebudget.ca.gov/BudgetSummary/images/FG-SUM-02C.gif
http://2007-08.archives.ebudget.ca.gov/BudgetSummary/SUM/1249561.html

It looks like as a percent of expenditures that Texas spends a lot more on health and human services than CA does (31.6% vs 26.6% of the budget). I believe that Texas has lower individual tax rates because they take in more from the oil and energy producers in the state. On the chart above, CA spent $38 biillion on HHS while Texas http://www.texasbudgetsource.com/health-and-human-services has budgeted $53 billion for 2008- 2009 or about 40% higher than California. Total California spending that year was $103 billion according to the link. This makes Texas seem more of a welfare state than California is- certainly on either a per-capita expenditure basis or as a percent of their economy.

Looks like the CA figure is for one year while the Texas one is for two years.

IPSecure
08-16-2009, 01:51 PM
State of Texas Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports:
2001-2008: https://fmx.cpa.state.tx.us/fm/pubs/cafr/index.php
2008: https://fmx.cpa.state.tx.us/fm/pubs/cafr/08/index.php

vs

State of California Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports:
1999-2008: http://www.sco.ca.gov/ard_state_cafr.html
2008: http://www.sco.ca.gov/Files-ARD/CAFR/cafr08web.pdf

These are just state, do not forget that the county and city / town reports should be looked at as well.

CoreyBowen999
08-16-2009, 01:57 PM
Thats a rediculous generalization to make. Go live in New York City and come back and tell me Texas doesn't have a small government.

Really no one here has any insight into this?

Before you say this next time maybe you should look at where I live jackass. What I was saying is that yes in comparrison we have a small government but it is still VERY big.

Howard_Roark
08-16-2009, 02:05 PM
Before you say this next time maybe you should look at where I live jackass. What I was saying is that yes in comparrison we have a small government but it is still VERY big.

I saw you lived in TX, which is why I said maybe if you went and lived in NYC you would see how incredibly large the government there is in relation to TX. NYC alone has a $60B budget, NY state has a $131B budget. Thus, TX has a RELATIVELY small government in comparison to others.