Miracle Mineral Supplement

[bubbleboy]

http://miraclemineral.org/breakthrough.php

Quote:
The answer to AIDS, hepatitis A,B and C, malaria, herpes, TB, most cancer and many more of mankind's worse diseases has been found. Many diseases are now easily controlled. More that 75,000 disease victims have been included in the field tests in Africa. Scientific clinical trials have been conducted in a prison in the country of Malawi, East Africa.

Separate tests conducted by the Malawi government produced identical 99% cure results. Over 60% of the AIDS victims that were treated in Uganda were well in 3 days, with 98% well within one month. More than 90% of the malaria victims were well in 4 to 8 hours. Dozens of other diseases were successfully treated and can be controlled with this new mineral supplement. It also works with colds, flu, pneumonia, sore throats, warts, mouth sores, and even abscessed teeth (it's the only thing that controls and cures abscessed teeth).

The inventor believes that this information is too important to the world that any one person or any group should have control. The free e-book download on this site gives complete details of this discovery. Please help make sure that it gets to the world free. There are many medical facts that have been suppressed and this invention must not be added to that list. The name of the e-book is The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century. This book tells the story of the discovery, and how to make and use it. This book can save your life. Give it a try.

[Zippyjuan]

One pill to cure all ills? Sounds like snake oil. Primary component is chlorine dioxide which is used as a bleaching agent or a disinfectant, but what are the effects of trying to use it internally?
It is an oxidizing agent which can cause cells to rupture- good ones and bad ones.
From the Austrailian Department of the Environment Water Heritage and the Arts (boy- they cover a lot of territory!) http://www.npi.gov.au/database/substance-info/profiles/21.html

•What are the chlorine dioxide health guidelines?
What effect might chlorine dioxide have on my health?
Acute health effects : The following acute (short-term) health effects may occur immediately or shortly after exposure to chlorine dioxide: irritate the nose and throat, causing coughing and chest pain; eye irritation with watery eyes and seeing halos around lights; breathing chlorine dioxide can irritate the lungs causing coughing and/or shortness of breath. Higher exposures can cause a build-up of fluid in the lungs (pulmonary oedema), a medical emergency but which might not occur for 24 hours, with severe shortness of breath and possibly death.

Chronic health effects : The following chronic (long-term) health effects can occur at some time after exposure to chlorine dioxide and can last for months or years: irritate the lungs; repeated exposure may cause bronchitis to develop with cough, phlegm, and/or shortness of breath. Permanent lung damage may occur, especially with repeated exposure to the vapours. There is limited evidence that chlorine dioxide may damage the developing foetus.

How might chlorine dioxide enter my body?
The substance can be absorbed into the body by inhalation, ingestion of food that has been treated with chlorine dioxide, or skin contact.

How might I be exposed to chlorine dioxide?
People living near industries that produce or use chlorine dioxide. From using disinfectants or bleaches that contain chlorine dioxide. From foods and drinking water that have been treated with chlorine dioxide.

See Sources for more information.

What are the chlorine dioxide health guidelines?
Australian Drinking Water Guidelines (NHMRC and ARMCANZ, 1996):
Maximum of 1 mg/L (i.e. 0.001 g/L)

Worksafe Australia
Maximum time weighted exposure (TWA) level: 0.1 ppm 0.28 mg/m³
Maximum short term exposure level (STEL): 0.3 ppm 0.83 mg/m³


From the US Department of Labor:
http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/healthguidelines/chlorinedioxide/recognition.html

Effects on Humans: Chlorine dioxide is a severe respiratory and eye irritant in humans. Inhalation can produce coughing, wheezing, respiratory distress, and congestion in the lungs [Patnaik 1992]. Irritating effects in humans was intense at concentration levels of 5 ppm. Accidental exposure at 19 ppm of the gas inside a bleach tank resulted in the death of one worker (time of exposure is not specified) [ACGIH 1991]. Workers exposed for 5 years to average chlorine dioxide concentrations below 0.1 ppm but with excursions to higher concentrations had symptoms of eye and throat irritation, nasal discharge, cough, and wheezing; on bronchoscopy, bronchitis was observed in seven of the 12 workers [Clayton and Clayton 1982]. Concentrations of 0.25 ppm and less have been reported to worsen mild respiratory ailments [ACGIH 1991]. Two adults who ingested 250 ml of a 40 mg/l solution of chlorine dioxide experienced headache, nausea, abdominal discomfort, and lightheadedness within 5 minutes of ingestion. The symptoms disappeared within another 5 minutes [NLM

[fedup100]

One pill to cure all ills? Sounds like snake oil. Primary component is chlorine dioxide which is used as a bleaching agent or a disinfectant, but what are the effects of trying to use it internally?

From the Austrailian Department of the Environment Water Heritage and the Arts (boy- they cover a lot of territory!) http://www.npi.gov.au/database/substance-info/profiles/21.html

While this may be true Zippy, it is very true for many substances. Please study the effects of Chemotherapy on the human body. Alss please read about mercury fillings and the effect of mercury on the human body. I could go on for another 15 paged.

I think I will study this material and think outside the box. I am assuming at this time this is some form of oxygenation of tissue, if so I am interested.

[amy31416]

Just keep in mind that a substance that kills bad bacteria/fungi, will likely also kill the good stuff, and your cells. Just like bleach.

I don't see how a simple 3-molecule chemical can differentiate between "good" and "bad" cells like nanoparticle tech is supposed to.

[Ninja Homer]

A partial paste from http://phaelosopher.wordpress.com/2007/09/09/no-miracle-just-wonderful-chemistry/ -

A Journey into Chemical Alchemy

Once it is introduced into the bloodstream, chlorine dioxide performs a highly energetic acceptance of four electrons when it comes across any cell that is below a pH value of 7. This means that diseased cells are essentially vaporized (i.e., “oxidized”) while healthy cells are unaffected.

Here is how it happens.

Red blood cells that are normal carriers of oxygen throughout the body do not differentiate between chlorine dioxide and oxygen. Therefore, after ingesting the MMS/chlorine dioxide-rich solution, red blood cells pick up chlorine dioxide ions that are deposited on the stomach wall where it normally gathers nutrients of various kinds before journeying through the body.

Then, when the red blood cells armed with chlorine dioxide encounter parasites, fungi, or diseased cells that all have low pH and a positive ionic charge, the “aliens” are destroyed along with the chlorine dioxide ion. If no such encounters occur, the chlorine dioxide will be carried to a point in the body where oxygen normally oxidizes poisons and other harmful agents.

If the chlorine dioxide doesn’t hit anything that can set it off, it will deteriorate, and thus lose an electron or two. This may allow it to combine with a very important substance that the immune system uses to make hypochlorous acid. This compound kills pathogens, killer cells, and even cancerous cells. Hypochlorous acid is so important, its diminished presence in the body is described medically by the term myeloperoxidase deficiency.

Many people are afflicted by this condition. The immune system needs a great deal more hypochlorous acid when disease is present. Facilitated by the MMS solution, chlorine dioxide delivers it in spades, as does magnesium chloride, but that’s another part of the health discussion.

The most salient point to know, is that chlorine dioxide has 100 times more energy to do what oxygen normally does, and yet, will not harm healthy cells.

By the way, if you are totally healthy, and have nothing in your body that is at an acidic level below 7, there are no ill-effects from taking chlorine dioxide. However, your stores of hypochlorous acid will be increased.

MMS works best to destroy pathogens that may be present in the body, when 2 or 3 mg of free chlorine dioxide are in the solution at the time it is swallowed. However, the body is supplied with chlorine dioxide in a “timed release” manner lasting about 12 hours. Be aware, that before you feel better, it is likely you will feel ill.

Read the rest (http://phaelosopher.wordpress.com/2007/09/09/no-miracle-just-wonderful-chemistry/) (it's really good).

[Zippyjuan]

Then, when the red blood cells armed with chlorine dioxide encounter parasites, fungi, or diseased cells that all have low pH and a positive ionic charge, the “aliens” are destroyed along with the chlorine dioxide ion. If no such encounters occur, the chlorine dioxide will be carried to a point in the body where oxygen normally oxidizes poisons and other harmful agents.

Question- do cancer cells or AIDs cells have different pHs from normal cells?

[amy31416]

Question- do cancer cells or AIDs cells have different pHs from normal cells?

I tried looking that up and all I got were thousands of hits on all kinds of bizarre treatments for cancer. I have a Scientific American Medical Encyclopedia, when it cools off here I might drag it out and try to look that up.

[Spot the Fed]

I know for a fact that cancer cells do have a distinctly different biochemical makeup then the rest of the cells of the body. Studies have also shown that they metabolize fuels with a different affinity than the rest of the body. Im unsure if that means that they have a different ph, but that is possible.

[amy31416]

I know for a fact that cancer cells do have a distinctly different biochemical makeup then the rest of the cells of the body. Studies have also shown that they metabolize fuels with a different affinity than the rest of the body. Im unsure if that means that they have a different ph, but that is possible.

Sure, it's almost guaranteed that there will be different physical features. But does every cancer cell have the same physical markers? That seems more unlikely because it's not like cancer is a virus that gets into each cell, it's a mutation of specific cells--like liver, breast, prostate, etc that reproduces faster than normal cells. And I'd think that each type would be somewhat different.

Anyways, if I were dying of cancer and desperate, I'd probably shell out the $20 for this stuff and still die of cancer. That's what really starts to irritate me about this kind of thing. It's not like I'm not for research, inquiry and experiments--but selling false hope with a bunch of crap while throwing around words and concepts that most people don't understand, makes me want to start slapping people, hopefully the ones responsible for ripping off sick and desperate people.

That's right, I said slapping.

[fedup100]

Just ordered mine.

[Spot the Fed]

Sure, it's almost guaranteed that there will be different physical features. But does every cancer cell have the same physical markers? That seems more unlikely because it's not like cancer is a virus that gets into each cell, it's a mutation of specific cells--like liver, breast, prostate, etc that reproduces faster than normal cells. And I'd think that each type would be somewhat different.

Anyways, if I were dying of cancer and desperate, I'd probably shell out the $20 for this stuff and still die of cancer. That's what really starts to irritate me about this kind of thing. It's not like I'm not for research, inquiry and experiments--but selling false hope with a bunch of crap while throwing around words and concepts that most people don't understand, makes me want to start slapping people, hopefully the ones responsible for ripping off sick and desperate people.

That's right, I said slapping.

On the other hand, if you are already going to die, what loss is $20 to try something?

[amy31416]

On the other hand, if you are already going to die, what loss is $20 to try something?

Because it empowers shysters.

[Spot the Fed]

Because it empowers shysters.

I humbly submit that we have far larger and more dangerous fish to fry at the moment.

[amy31416]

I humbly submit that we have far larger and more dangerous fish to fry at the moment.

You asked me what I thought and I told ya!

Plus, isn't this thread about a "miracle" treatment for cancer and not about prioritizing what is or isn't most important to fry first? :D

[Spot the Fed]

You asked me what I thought and I told ya!

Plus, isn't this thread about a "miracle" treatment for cancer and not about prioritizing what is or isn't most important to fry first? :D

yes, I did. and I only believe in supernatural miracles, so I guess Im not so offended.

[amy31416]

yes, I did. and I only believe in supernatural miracles, so I guess Im not so offended.

Fortunately for you, I am also not so offended.

Or am I? :eek:

[Spot the Fed]

Fortunately for you, I am also not so offended.

Or am I? :eek:

Wow, a professional doctorate and I cant type.... what a waste of 200g.

I am not so 'easily' offended. i assume you arent either.

[amy31416]

Wow, a professional doctorate and I cant type.... what a waste of 200g.

I am not so 'easily' offended. i assume you arent either.

I can't even muster being slightly perturbed, so I guess not. :p

[roho76]

http://miraclemineral.org/breakthrough.phpThe inventor believes that this information is too important to the world that any one person or any group should have control. The free e-book download on this site gives complete details of this discovery. Please help make sure that it gets to the world free. There are many medical facts that have been suppressed and this invention must not be added to that list. The name of the e-book is The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century. This book tells the story of the discovery, and how to make and use it. This book can save your life. Give it a try.

If this is true then why do you have to pay for the second book? I would be almost certain the goods are in the second book. I'll check BitTorrent and if everything adds up I have no problem paying this guy a thousand for the info but to give away the first book and charge for the second seems fishy especially when they claim this is "too important to the world" for someone to own it. Isn't that essentially what they are doing owning it and selling it?

[Ninja Homer]

If this is true then why do you have to pay for the second book? I would be almost certain the goods are in the second book. I'll check BitTorrent and if everything adds up I have no problem paying this guy a thousand for the info but to give away the first book and charge for the second seems fishy especially when they claim this is "too important to the world" for someone to own it. Isn't that essentially what they are doing owning it and selling it?

Actually, it's a pretty ingenious way to release this info. He is giving away the first book that gives quite a bit of info about it, and then charges money for the second book. This is the only money that Jim Humble makes off of MMS (well, I guess there's also a DVD now). He doesn't sell the actual MMS product, but tells you how to make it yourself. Now there are probably hundreds of people who make it and sell it.

The obvious advantage to this is getting around all the FDA BS. If Jim Humble made health claims about MMS AND sold MMS, he'd be shut down instantly by the FDA, because they don't allow competition with pharmaceuticals.

[Ninja Homer]

I tried looking that up and all I got were thousands of hits on all kinds of bizarre treatments for cancer. I have a Scientific American Medical Encyclopedia, when it cools off here I might drag it out and try to look that up.

I had the same problem. I've heard it from hundreds of alternative health sources that cancer cells and other pathogens have an acidic ph, but I'm not sure where else to look to get a definitive answer. I did, however, find this: http://www.rsc.org/delivery/_ArticleLinking/DisplayHTMLArticleforfree.cfm?JournalCode=MB&Year=2005&ManuscriptID=b500266d&Iss=Advance_Article

If they're working on nanoparticles that are ph-triggered for the purpose of delivering meds directly to cancer cells, then I'm guessing there's something to it.

[cradle2graveconservative]

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[Zippyjuan]

From one of the articles I came across (sorry- no link), MMS is made by combining salt and vinegar to make chlorine dioxide gas (which can be dangerous- both to the respiratory system and is possibly explosive so if you intend to make it yourself be very careful) which is somehow suspended in a liquid. No nano tech to it.

[Zippyjuan]

Found a bit more about chlorine dioxide and pH. You have to get a very high pH number for it to become inefective meaning it will impact all human body cells alike- good or harmful.
http://www.finnestate.fi/Chlorine%20Dioxide.pdf
It is PDF so I am manually copying the info to here:

The properties of chlorine are very pH dependent. Chlorine dioxide is effective at all pH's below 12.

It is used externally on foods, water, and equipment as a sanitizer because it is effective at killing cells

* includes aerobic, non aerobic, gram positive and gram negative bacteria, spores, viruses, fungi, cysts and protozoa.
It will kill helpful as well as harmful bacteria. I wish I could get a copy/ past to work. The piece describes how it works by saying it attacks proteins (which basically all of our cells have) and it destroys cell components (again, not discriminating between healthy and harmful cells). You can read it starting on page #6.

So it will destroy harmful cells, bacteria, spores, etc, but it is not selective in its destruction.


EPA report on chlorine dioxide where used to purify drinking water:
http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/phs160.html

Both chlorine dioxide and chlorite react quickly in water and moist body tissues. If you were to breathe air containing chlorine dioxide gas, you might experience irritation in your nose, throat, and lungs. If you were to eat or drink large amounts of chlorine dioxide or chlorite, you might experience irritation in the mouth, esophagus, or stomach. Most people will not be exposed to chlorine dioxide or chlorite in amounts large enough to damage other parts of the body, but if you were, you might experience shortness of breath and other respiratory problems because of damage to the substances in blood that carry oxygen throughout the body.


Animal studies have shown effects of chlorine dioxide and chlorite that are similar to those seen in people exposed to very high amounts of these chemicals. In addition, exposure to high levels of chlorine dioxide and chlorite in animals both before birth and during early development after birth may cause delays in brain development. The levels to which the animals were exposed were much higher than levels that would likely be found in drinking water that has been disinfected with chlorine dioxide.

[Zippyjuan]

I have found a page that people considering using MMS will want to take a look at- reports from people who actually tried it. For myself, I look at two things when reading such things. One is that reported improvements are backed up by diagnosis of improvement and not just "feeling better" and two is to look at negative reports of either non- improvement and side effects. I am also more careful of highly positive reports becasue it is possible they have been written by somebody involved with selling the product (which have been found in online electronics reviews in the past). No matter what something is, somebody will like it and want to tell people about it. I want to know what people did not like about it- that gives me more info on whether it does what I want it to do or not.

The reviews:
http://www.earthclinic.com/Supplements/MMS.html

Another consideration as to MMS and cancer. MMS is supposed to work via oxidation to destroy cells- it can certainly do that- kill cells which is why its most common usage is as a disinfectant or sanitizer. As mentioned, this can kill good and bad cells both. But oxidation is also believed to help promote- not fight- cancers. This is why people are encouraged to consume foods high in anti-oxidants to help ward off cancers.

Based on these and other observations, evidence is mounting that inflammation and oxidation play key roles in the development of prostate cancer. Why is this important? Because although other contributory factors such as aging and altered hormone secretions are difficult or impossible to change, nutritional and exercise habits that reduce the development of inflammation and oxidation can be changed.

There are many anti-inflammatory and antioxidant substances found in colorful fruits and vegetables, whole grains, and spices — nearly all of which are absent from the processed foods that rely on sugar, salt, and fat for flavor. By focusing your diet on fresh fruits and vegetables, ocean-caught fish, and whole grains, you can increase the protective antiinflammatory components of your diet and begin to benefit from their effects.

http://www.prostatecancerfoundation.org/site/c.itIWK2OSG/b.5075073/k.9478/Effects_of_Oxidation_and_Inflammation.htm

[krazy kaju]

Bullshit.

[amy31416]

Bullshit.

That's probably being kind.

[youngbuck]

Well, I'm going to start researching this more thoroughly, and return with my opinion. It might take a week or two, but I'm going to decide for myself whether I'd recommend this to my dad who has a handful of ailments.

[NiceGoing]

Bullshit.

Lol.....

[youngbuck]

Well it didn't take me a week or two, and the verdict is in. My opinion is that MMS is not a miracle, it's not a mineral, and should never be taken as a supplement. Read that following and decide for yourself.

What is Miracle Mineral Supplement (MMS), and Why Is It Dangerous? (http://www.cqs.com/mms.htm)

FDA Warns Consumers of Serious Harm from Drinking Miracle Mineral Solution (MMS) (http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm220747.htm)

Another Fraud Of Alternative Medicine: MMS (http://healthwyze.org/index.php/component/content/article/320-another-fraud-of-alternative-medicine-mms.html)

The Debate between HealthWyze.org and Jim Humble about whether M.M.S. is a Fraud (http://healthwyze.org/index.php/component/content/article/460-the-debate-between-healthwyzeorg-and-jim-humble-about-whether-mms-is-a-fraud.html?showall=1)