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PeacePlan
08-13-2009, 09:42 PM
We are Not a Democracy and please stop saying we are. When you hear our elected officials or others say it correct them.

We are a Democratic Republic.

Here are some definitions for a guide. Please educate people by correcting them when they say we are a Democracy.

We elect people to Represent us to follow the law (Constitution) and in fact they take an oath to do so.

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A Republic, by definition, has two principle elements,

First, it is controlled by Law, therefore it does not control Law.
Second, it recognizes the private independent sovereign nature of each person (man or woman) of competent age and capacity, therefore a Republic must be representative in its nature.

A Republic recognizes Law is unchangeable, or at least that it can only be changed by a higher source than government. In a Republic the concept of “collective sovereignty” cannot exist, except with recognition that the State or nation, as a body of sovereigns, can speak through one elected voice; though that one voice can never lawfully interfere with the private rights of the individual sovereigns.

“A Constitutional Republic” is a government created and controlled, at least, by the Law of a Constitution. The Constitution of the United States of America was, in Law, foundationally based on the Bible, the Magna Carta, and The Declaration of Independence. Those documents recognize man’s sovereignty, the divine nature of man’s creation and man’s divine right to Life, Liberty, Property, and the pursuit of happiness.

A Democracy, by definition, has two principle elements,

First, it recognizes sovereignty as the right of the collective body of the people, which sovereignty is appointed to a governing body that executes its will over its people; in other words, mob rule.

Second, though each person has the privilege of casting their representative vote toward the sovereign collective body, a Democracy does not recognize independent sovereignty of any individual person.

Therefore, in a Democracy, the government can create and control its rules, regulations and what it calls “law” to suit the needs of what those in power call “common opinion” having no respect for private life, liberty, property or God.

The Founding Fathers of the United States of America were repulsed by Democracy, finding it to be the worst form of government possible.

Fascism, means dictatorial government controlled business.

It is a dictatorial form of government (only recognizing sovereignty in government); and, to the best of its ability, it controls all business operations and or relations. Though Fascism embraces Socialism, its favorite enemy is Communism. While the fascist cries wolf about the communists, to control them, the fascist would remove all private rights to commerce and industry through its control.

In the United States of America today, what most people think of as government rules virtually all operations of business and commerce through licenses while they privately own more than 73% of the available stock on the market; this is the very essence of Fascism.

Kludge
08-13-2009, 09:48 PM
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FSP-Rebel
08-13-2009, 10:02 PM
We were actually a Constitutionally-limited Republic.

PeacePlan
08-13-2009, 10:08 PM
This sentence confused me:

"it is controlled by Law, therefore it does not control Law."

The Law is created by representatives, is it not? They can modify or even rewrite the constitution when they wish. It's not as though the Constitution has anything to back itself up with.

Yes they can do some of this and what you say is true. The Founders made it so it is not an easy thing to to do (change the Constitution).

They take an oath to follow the Constitution and as you know most of them do not. Ron Paul is an exception and stands tall when it comes to following the rule of law - Constitution.

I like to think of the Constitution as being created with one primary purpose - to "limit Government".

It bothers me when people keep saying we are a Democracy, so when I hear it I correct them.

PeacePlan
08-13-2009, 10:15 PM
We were actually a Constitutionally-limited Republic.


The point I am attempting to make is correct people when they say we are a Democracy. People now think we are a Democracy and that is not true. If you don't correct them they will stay dumbed down.

I accept the way you look at it and see that as correct - Constitutionally limited Republic

FSP-Rebel
08-13-2009, 10:41 PM
The point I am attempting to make is correct people when they say we are a Democracy. People now think we are a Democracy and that is not true. If you don't correct them they will stay dumbed down.

I accept the way you look at it and see that as correct - Constitutionally limited Republic
My point is, we used to be a Constitutionally-limited Republic. Now, we are a socialistic democracy w/ some gun rights.

PeacePlan
08-13-2009, 10:54 PM
My point is, we used to be a Constitutionally-limited Republic. Now, we are a socialistic democracy w/ some gun rights.

Part of the reason they get away with it IMO is we don't correct them and point out what we are. God forbid they ever take away the right to bear arms!

coyote_sprit
08-13-2009, 10:55 PM
Part of the reason they get away with it IMO is we don't correct them and point out what we are. God forbid they ever take away the right to bear arms!

They can't take away the right to bear arms, that's an oxymoron. They'll get shot when they come and tale ot/

Imperial
08-14-2009, 12:12 AM
We actually have a democratic-republic. It mixes both systems together.

In comparison, Iran has a democratic theocracy.