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Volitzer
08-13-2009, 03:42 PM
Will Americans follow orders to take flu shots?
Alarmist language sparking fears of mandatory vaccinations, quarantines
Posted: August 11, 2009
10:56 pm Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2009 WorldNetDaily


Avian flu viruses like this one have raised worries in the past similar to those being raised by this year's swine flu

Alarmist language over possible outbreaks of swine flu as well as a series of moves by the federal government are fueling fears federal agents will soon be forcing citizens to be vaccinated – prompting one political party to launch a pre-emptive defense against any such effort.

The Constitution Party, a fast-growing alternative to the dominant Democratic and Republican parties in many elections, has come out strongly in opposition to any "mandatory injections" of "potential toxic (H1N1) 'swine flu' vaccine."

Citing the Fourth Amendment, which says, "The right of the people to be secure in their persons … shall not be violated," Constitution Party National Committee Chairman Jim Clymer said the issue isn't that complex.

"It comes down to the most fundamental of all freedoms. If government can force potentially dangerous substances into our bodies what, then, can't government do to us?" he said.

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"Whether mandated by the federal government, the individual states such as Massachusetts or international organizations like the World Health Organization or the United Nations, forcing potentially dangerous chemicals on a free people is tyranny," Clymer said.

The Constitution Party cited the research of Bill Sardi, who noted the "cozy relationship" where the WHO "prematurely" declares a pandemic, forcing dozens of governments to buy flu vaccines. Then, he wrote, public health authorities invoke mandatory vaccination programs for children.

The enriched vaccine makers then "funnel profits back to the politicians."

The party noted the alarmist behavior on the part of the U.S. Departments of Health and Homeland Security, which earlier this year when "several people" were "diagnosed" with swine flu, declared a national public health emergency.

When that was declared in April, schools were closed, people quarantined and pharmaceutical companies awarded billion dollar contracts, the party explained.

Condemnation also has come from Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, who cited the swine flu vaccination program in 1976. The effort killed more than two dozen people – not from the flu but from the vaccine.

Paul said he was concerned that "nearly $8 billion will be spent to address a 'potential pandemic flu' which could result in mandatory vaccinations for no discernable reason other than to enrich the pharmaceutical companies that make the vaccine."

Clymer also expressed concern about turning over decisions inside the United States to an international organization like the WHO. Adding other pieces to the puzzle, such as the Pentagon's involvement with the Federal Emergency Management Agency, just adds to his worries, he said.

According to a Fox report, the Pentagon is planning to make available military troops – if they are needed – to help FEMA respond to a flu outbreak.

The report said Defense Secretary Robert Gates is preparing to sign an order letting the military set up regional teams to help FEMA.

"Americans should be gravely concerned when all the pieces are put together," Clymer said. "We have a strain of flu which has produced mild symptoms so far, and yet it appears there's a well-orchestrated world-wide effort to put draconian measures in place for a 'pandemic.'"

Clymer also cited the WHO recommendations that would provide, essentially, for an indefinite stay in a quarantine camp for those who refuse a vaccination. He said the procedures that follow a "Level 6 Pandemic" allow international precedent to override U.S. constitutional guarantees of freedom.

The party statement said, "All liberty-loving Americans should shudder at the WHO directives which state: 'During a pandemic, it may be necessary to overrule existing legislation or (individual) human rights. Examples are the enforcement of quarantine (overruling individual freedom of movement), use of privately owned buildings for hospitals, off-license use of drugs, compulsory vaccination or implementation of emergency shifts in essential services."

No such extraordinary efforts are needed, the Constitution Party said, because according to the Centers for Disease Control, "the fear mongering regarding this flu is not warranted by forensic evidence that H1N1 is the potentially devastating plague the hyperbole purports it to be."

According to the Fox report, the bird flu frenzy during 2005 prompted the Bush administration to add influenza to the government's list of diseases for which quarantines are allowed, creating a path through which people who exhibit symptoms could be detained by government order.

Governors, however, according to a report from The Hill, are objecting to the potential involvement of the feds.

Gov. Jim Douglas, R-Vermont, head of the National Governors Association, and Vice Chairman Gov. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., wrote, "We are concerned that the legislative proposal … would invite confusion on critical command and control issues, complicate interagency planning, establish stove-piped response efforts, and interfere with governors’ constitutional responsibilities to ensure the safety and security of their citizens," Douglas and Manchin wrote to Paul Stockton, assistant secretary of Defense for Homeland Defense and America's Security Affairs.

And the Fox report said even a spokesman for the Defense Department acknowledged the concerns "about civil liberties and the use of force."

Attorney Robert L. Shannon told the network the military generally isn't allowed to intervene in peoples' lives, "But it's important to remember that the president has the option and authority to use federal troops in a national emergency."

An ACLU spokesman told Fox that the idea of forced vaccinations or detentions would raise constitutional questions, and Michel Chossudovsky, writing on the Global Research website, said the implications are "far-reaching."

"The decision points toward the establishment of a police state," he said.

At Natural News.com, a warning was issued that more and more incidents are being reported involving forced vaccinations in the United States – usually through workplace or school demands.

"Attorney Alan Phillips, author of Dispelling Vaccination Myths, … got interested in the subject when he noticed the warning on a vaccination that was about to be administered to his infant child. The warning clearly stated that the odds of death from the vaccination were considerably higher than death from the diseases it was supposed to immunize," the report said.

The site even promotes a petition to halt forced vaccinations.

As the flu season approaches, a conference also has been scheduled to allow leaders of government and industry to consult on the potential problem.

The event in the past has been used to discuss various strains of bird flu, but this year is being called the International Swine Flue Conference. It's Aug. 19-20 at the Hyatt Regency Washington on Capitol Hill.

Among the topics to be considered are: "Unwillingness to follow government orders," "Control & diffuse social unrest & public disorder," "Protect police forces from falling ill & from being hurt in civil disturbances," and "Manage a surge in crime & meet routine requests at the same time."

The international flu conference, promoted by New-Fields.com, is being assembled for "top leaders and decision-makers" from a broad range of industries as well as "scientists, public health officials, law enforcers, first responders, and other experts."

The promotional brochure
lists topics:

* Mass fatality management planning

* Country report and situations update

* Surveillance and data management

* Command, control and management, and others.

Meanwhile, the Associated Press is reporting that Americans in eight cities are preparing to take a swine flu vaccine that still is in the testing stages, in manufacturers' hopes that the vaccine will be on the market soon.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=106654

rpfan2008
08-13-2009, 03:45 PM
Someone seems to have better ideas...

National Guard Takes Over School In Swine Flu “Vaccine Riot” Drill (http://www.prisonplanet.com/national-guard-takes-over-school-in-swine-flu-vaccine-riot-drill.html)

LittleLightShining
08-13-2009, 03:51 PM
Someone seems to have better ideas...

National Guard Takes Over School In Swine Flu “Vaccine Riot” Drill (http://www.prisonplanet.com/national-guard-takes-over-school-in-swine-flu-vaccine-riot-drill.html)

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

disorderlyvision
08-13-2009, 04:22 PM
already posted

Bucjason
08-13-2009, 04:25 PM
Flu shots are stupid unless you're elderly or have a weak immune system.

I refuse to go get one, let's see them make me.

paulitics
08-13-2009, 04:34 PM
Flu shots are stupid unless you're elderly or have a weak immune system.

I refuse to go get one, let's see them make me.

Oh, but this virus attacks those who are in their prime the hardest. Those who have a strong immune system.

BlackTerrel
08-13-2009, 07:29 PM
I guess it comes down to what you think is more likely:

#1 The government injects 300 million people with a poison

#2 An actual pandemic breaks out and people who aren't vaccinated die in large numbers

I'd say both have a very very small chance of happening, but possible. That said, I think #2 is far more likely

pcosmar
08-13-2009, 07:35 PM
I am guessing that #2 goes a little different.
Many people are vaccinated and many get sick and die. while the non vaccinated only a few get sick at all, few die.
Years later the virus is found to be man made and deliberate.

Dr.3D
08-13-2009, 07:49 PM
I guess it comes down to what you think is more likely:

#1 The government injects 300 million people with a poison

#2 An actual pandemic breaks out and people who aren't vaccinated die in large numbers

I'd say both have a very very small chance of happening, but possible. That said, I think #2 is far more likely

I agree with you on this point.
There is no secret agenda to kill or make people sick by giving them a flu shot.

amy31416
08-13-2009, 07:53 PM
Eh. Needles freak me out. I haven't had a vaccination since I was a baby and whomever was pushing it would have to have one hell of a case for me to consent to such a thing.

Anti Federalist
08-13-2009, 08:19 PM
There is no secret agenda to kill or make people sick by giving them a flu shot.

Willing to bet your life on that?

After it's become well known what government has done in the past?

And if you suffer a bad reaction that disables, deforms or kills you, you can't sue for damages?

Be my guest, but not me.

This is a line in the sand, hot lead issue for me.

Homeless people die after bird flu vaccine trial in Poland

Three Polish doctors and six nurses are facing criminal prosecution after a number of homeless people died following medical trials for a vaccine to the H5N1 bird-flu virus.

By Matthew Day in Warsaw
Published: 4:37PM BST 02 Jul 2008

21 people died after being given the vaccine The medical staff, from the northern town of Grudziadz, are being investigated over medical trials on as many as 350 homeless and poor people last year, which prosecutors say involved an untried vaccine to the highly-contagious virus.

Authorities claim that the alleged victims received £1-2 to be tested with what they thought was a conventional flu vaccine but, according to investigators, was actually an anti bird-flu drug.

The director of a Grudziadz homeless centre, Mieczyslaw Waclawski, told a Polish newspaper that last year, 21 people from his centre died, a figure well above the average of about eight.

Although authorities have yet to prove a direct link between the deaths and the activities of the medical staff, Poland's health minister, Ewa Kopacz, has said that the doctors and nurses involved should not return to their profession.

"It is in the interests of all doctors that those who are responsible for this are punished," the minister added.

Investigators are also probing the possibility that the medical staff may have also have deceived the pharmaceutical companies that commissioned the trials.

The suspects said that the all those involved knew that the trial involved an anti-H5N1 drug and willingly participated.

The news of the investigation will come as another blow to the reputation of Poland's beleaguered and poverty-stricken national health service. In 2002, a number of ambulance medics were found guilty of killing their patients for commissions from funeral companies

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/2235676/Homeless-people-die-after-bird-flu-vaccine-trial-in-Poland.html

Dianne
08-13-2009, 09:22 PM
Not gonna take a government induced shot of any kind. OMG.... these clowns can't even manage a va hospital.... think I'm gonna put any of their chit in my bloodstream?

Bruno
08-13-2009, 09:41 PM
It's never about the practice, its about the power.

The federal government would want to force vaccinate in order to seize power through the precedent sent and the abuse the fear they created leading up to it. The deaths due to collateral damage in their eyes.

BlackTerrel
08-14-2009, 03:27 AM
Willing to bet your life on that?

After it's become well known what government has done in the past?

.....

Three Polish doctors and six nurses are facing criminal prosecution after a number of homeless people died following medical trials for a vaccine to the H5N1 bird-flu virus.

But in this case it's not the government. If the government was behind it they wouldn't be facing prosecution. Not saying it can't happen, but I don't think is the same thing.


The director of a Grudziadz homeless centre, Mieczyslaw Waclawski, told a Polish newspaper that last year, 21 people from his centre died, a figure well above the average of about eight.

Although authorities have yet to prove a direct link between the deaths and the activities of the medical staff, Poland's health minister, Ewa Kopacz, has said that the doctors and nurses involved should not return to their profession.

Not to be heartless but 21 died and usually it's 8? So what? What's the standard deviation? Is it around 8 every year or is it 40 one year zero for the next four? What were the causes of death for these 21? Definitely not an open and shut case.

BlackTerrel
08-14-2009, 03:35 AM
Years later the virus is found to be man made and deliberate.

Captain Trips.

pcosmar
08-14-2009, 07:11 AM
Captain Trips.
Tuskegee experiments
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Study_of_Untreated_Syphilis_in_the_Negro_ Male
http://www.tuskegee.edu/Global/Story.asp?s=1207586

The data for the experiment was to be collected from autopsies of the men, and they were thus deliberately left to degenerate under the ravages of tertiary syphilis—which can include tumors, heart disease, paralysis, blindness, insanity, and death. “As I see it,” one of the doctors involved explained, “we have no further interest in these patients until they die.”

And still today the full extent of MK-Ultra programs is not known. From what is known, It was horrendous.
You can trust these folks if you like. :(

Krugerrand
08-14-2009, 09:30 AM
I agree with you on this point.
There is no secret agenda to kill or make people sick by giving them a flu shot.

Agree. I see it more as "let's not let a good crisis [real or not] go to waste." This is about $$$.