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disorderlyvision
08-13-2009, 12:29 AM
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=106654


Alarmist language over possible outbreaks of swine flu as well as a series of moves by the federal government are fueling fears federal agents will soon be forcing citizens to be vaccinated – prompting one political party to launch a pre-emptive defense against any such effort.

The Constitution Party, a fast-growing alternative to the dominant Democratic and Republican parties in many elections, has come out strongly in opposition to any "mandatory injections" of "potential toxic (H1N1) 'swine flu' vaccine."

Citing the Fourth Amendment, which says, "The right of the people to be secure in their persons … shall not be violated," Constitution Party National Committee Chairman Jim Clymer said the issue isn't that complex.

"It comes down to the most fundamental of all freedoms. If government can force potentially dangerous substances into our bodies what, then, can't government do to us?" he said.

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"Whether mandated by the federal government, the individual states such as Massachusetts or international organizations like the World Health Organization or the United Nations, forcing potentially dangerous chemicals on a free people is tyranny," Clymer said.

The Constitution Party cited the research of Bill Sardi, who noted the "cozy relationship" where the WHO "prematurely" declares a pandemic, forcing dozens of governments to buy flu vaccines. Then, he wrote, public health authorities invoke mandatory vaccination programs for children.

The enriched vaccine makers then "funnel profits back to the politicians."

The party noted the alarmist behavior on the part of the U.S. Departments of Health and Homeland Security, which earlier this year when "several people" were "diagnosed" with swine flu, declared a national public health emergency.

When that was declared in April, schools were closed, people quarantined and pharmaceutical companies awarded billion dollar contracts, the party explained.

Condemnation also has come from Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, who cited the swine flu vaccination program in 1976. The effort killed more than two dozen people – not from the flu but from the vaccine.

Paul said he was concerned that "nearly $8 billion will be spent to address a 'potential pandemic flu' which could result in mandatory vaccinations for no discernable reason other than to enrich the pharmaceutical companies that make the vaccine."

Clymer also expressed concern about turning over decisions inside the United States to an international organization like the WHO. Adding other pieces to the puzzle, such as the Pentagon's involvement with the Federal Emergency Management Agency, just adds to his worries, he said.

According to a Fox report, the Pentagon is planning to make available military troops – if they are needed – to help FEMA respond to a flu outbreak.

The report said Defense Secretary Robert Gates is preparing to sign an order letting the military set up regional teams to help FEMA.

"Americans should be gravely concerned when all the pieces are put together," Clymer said. "We have a strain of flu which has produced mild symptoms so far, and yet it appears there's a well-orchestrated world-wide effort to put draconian measures in place for a 'pandemic.'"

Clymer also cited the WHO recommendations that would provide, essentially, for an indefinite stay in a quarantine camp for those who refuse a vaccination. He said the procedures that follow a "Level 6 Pandemic" allow international precedent to override U.S. constitutional guarantees of freedom.

The party statement said, "All liberty-loving Americans should shudder at the WHO directives which state: 'During a pandemic, it may be necessary to overrule existing legislation or (individual) human rights. Examples are the enforcement of quarantine (overruling individual freedom of movement), use of privately owned buildings for hospitals, off-license use of drugs, compulsory vaccination or implementation of emergency shifts in essential services."

No such extraordinary efforts are needed, the Constitution Party said, because according to the Centers for Disease Control, "the fear mongering regarding this flu is not warranted by forensic evidence that H1N1 is the potentially devastating plague the hyperbole purports it to be."

According to the Fox report, the bird flu frenzy during 2005 prompted the Bush administration to add influenza to the government's list of diseases for which quarantines are allowed, creating a path through which people who exhibit symptoms could be detained by government order.

Governors, however, according to a report from The Hill, are objecting to the potential involvement of the feds.

Gov. Jim Douglas, R-Vermont, head of the National Governors Association, and Vice Chairman Gov. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., wrote, "We are concerned that the legislative proposal … would invite confusion on critical command and control issues, complicate interagency planning, establish stove-piped response efforts, and interfere with governors’ constitutional responsibilities to ensure the safety and security of their citizens," Douglas and Manchin wrote to Paul Stockton, assistant secretary of Defense for Homeland Defense and America's Security Affairs.

And the Fox report said even a spokesman for the Defense Department acknowledged the concerns "about civil liberties and the use of force."

Attorney Robert L. Shannon told the network the military generally isn't allowed to intervene in peoples' lives, "But it's important to remember that the president has the option and authority to use federal troops in a national emergency."

An ACLU spokesman told Fox that the idea of forced vaccinations or detentions would raise constitutional questions, and Michel Chossudovsky, writing on the Global Research website, said the implications are "far-reaching."

"The decision points toward the establishment of a police state," he said.

At Natural News.com, a warning was issued that more and more incidents are being reported involving forced vaccinations in the United States – usually through workplace or school demands.

"Attorney Alan Phillips, author of Dispelling Vaccination Myths, … got interested in the subject when he noticed the warning on a vaccination that was about to be administered to his infant child. The warning clearly stated that the odds of death from the vaccination were considerably higher than death from the diseases it was supposed to immunize," the report said.

The site even promotes a petition to halt forced vaccinations.

As the flu season approaches, a conference also has been scheduled to allow leaders of government and industry to consult on the potential problem.

The event in the past has been used to discuss various strains of bird flu, but this year is being called the International Swine Flue Conference. It's Aug. 19-20 at the Hyatt Regency Washington on Capitol Hill.

Among the topics to be considered are: "Unwillingness to follow government orders," "Control & diffuse social unrest & public disorder," "Protect police forces from falling ill & from being hurt in civil disturbances," and "Manage a surge in crime & meet routine requests at the same time."

The international flu conference, promoted by New-Fields.com, is being assembled for "top leaders and decision-makers" from a broad range of industries as well as "scientists, public health officials, law enforcers, first responders, and other experts."

The promotional brochure lists topics:


Mass fatality management planning


Country report and situations update


Surveillance and data management


Command, control and management, and others.

Meanwhile, the Associated Press is reporting that Americans in eight cities are preparing to take a swine flu vaccine that still is in the testing stages, in manufacturers' hopes that the vaccine will be on the market soon.

youngbuck
08-13-2009, 01:41 AM
Will Americans follow orders to take flu shots?

Many, including myself, will not.

Endgame
08-13-2009, 11:36 AM
If these vaccines really haven't been through clinical trials, and the government feels the need to force people to take them, that's the first clue that something's up.

DapperDan
08-13-2009, 11:40 AM
Nope. They can try but it's not happening on my watch.

paulitics
08-13-2009, 11:40 AM
Research has shown that vaccines lower IQ.

StudentForPaul08
08-13-2009, 11:40 AM
I got it once when I was younger. I have never since. I have been fine and Flu free. My immune system needs practice anyway.

LittleLightShining
08-13-2009, 11:41 AM
Nope. They can try but it's not happening on my watch. tones.Wait... what? tones? Is DapperDan? :confused:

Icymudpuppy
08-13-2009, 11:42 AM
All flu shots can cause a reaction for people allergic to eggs.

Tell your doctor you have been getting muscle spasms and stomach cramps when you eat eggs and tell him you think you may be allergic. Most doctors will simply note it in your record without running tests.

If anyone asks you to get a flu shot, show them your records that say "Allergic to eggs" and you will not get the shot.

I have Allergy to eggs on my Military dog tags. I have reported my children as allergic to eggs as well.

I would also recommend you avoid eggs in public places such as restaurants.

moostraks
08-13-2009, 12:17 PM
Wait... what? tones? Is DapperDan? :confused:

:D Interesting...that makes twice today, too!

Vessol
08-13-2009, 12:21 PM
I got it once when I was younger. I have never since. I have been fine and Flu free. My immune system needs practice anyway.

Thats a normal flu vaccine. And if you were unaware, a vaccine is giving your immune system practice, that's the whole point.

While I won't take the vaccine for this new swine flu strain. Vaccines themselves are not wholly wrong. Dr. Paul himself has stated numerous times that some vaccines have been completely beneficial.

ravedown
08-13-2009, 12:26 PM
wait...before the hysteria sets in, does anyone know that there will definitely be a mandate requiring everyone to get the shots? i haven't heard anything stating that to be true, because if there was a mandate-what would be the repercussion of refusal?

Cowlesy
08-13-2009, 12:27 PM
I have yet to see a single report that says "Gov't mulls or plans mandatory vaccinations" about the H1N1 virus from a gov't official.

Fine to be skeptical about it, but they haven't said they're going to do it.

Krugerrand
08-13-2009, 12:35 PM
wait...before the hysteria sets in, does anyone know that there will definitely be a mandate requiring everyone to get the shots? i haven't heard anything stating that to be true, because if there was a mandate-what would be the repercussion of refusal?

I believe other countries are on record for this .... but as of yet, I have not seen the US as one of them.

MsDoodahs
08-13-2009, 12:50 PM
I seem to recall that the US won't have enough to vaccinate all the people.

So some won't be able to get it even if they want it.

DapperDan
08-13-2009, 12:56 PM
Wait... what? tones? Is DapperDan? :confused:

Like others have said, the US has not come out and said anything of it. Other countries have.

However this video....

YouTube - Breaking News...Swine flu mass quarantines are to be implemented (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM1wNsrmbaA)



Edit: Ok I found out what tones is now. Thanks Joe. I use "tones" on other forums as in "I'm watching what I say" type deal.... beh! Now I understand why everyone is confused why I used it twice haha. Just ignore those ;[

pcosmar
08-13-2009, 01:16 PM
Not Official calls as such.
but lots of talk,warnings, preparations.

From FOX
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/29/military-poised-help-fema-battle-swine-flu-outbreak/

This comes as a government panel recommends certain groups be placed at the front of the line for swine flu vaccinations this fall, including pregnant women, health care workers and children six months and older.

The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices panel also said those first vaccinated should include parents and other caregivers of infants; non-elderly adults who have high-risk medical conditions, and young adults ages 19 to 24. The panel, whose recommendations typically are adopted by federal health officials, voted to set vaccination priorities for those groups Wednesday during a meeting in Atlanta.
Some of that sounds like the WHO, or very close.

According to WHO documents, vaccines "such as those that are formulated with oil-in-water adjuvants and live attenuated influenza vaccines are important." Health workers, pregnant women, healthy young adults of 15 to 49 years, and healthy children will be the targeted groups of the world wide vaccine effort.

"All countries should immunize their health-care workers as a first priority to protect the essential health infrastructure. As vaccines available initially will not be sufficient, a step-wise approach to vaccinate particular groups may be considered," according to Paule-Kieny. The Strategic Advisory Group of Experts (SAGE) on Immunisation established by the Director-General of the WHO in 1999, suggested the following groups for consideration, noting that countries need to determine their order of priority based on country-specific conditions: pregnant women; children over the age of 6 months with one of several chronic medical conditions; healthy young adults of 15 to 49 years of age; healthy children; healthy adults of 50 to 64 years of age; and healthy adults of 65 years of age and above.

There is a lot of hype, (on both sides.) and the rest is speculation.
Me, I'm ready for anything these bastards try.

LittleLightShining
08-13-2009, 01:23 PM
Like others have said, the US has not come out and said anything of it. Other countries have.

However this video....

YouTube - Breaking News...Swine flu mass quarantines are to be implemented (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM1wNsrmbaA)



Edit: Ok I found out what tones is now. Thanks Joe. I use "tones" on other forums as in "I'm watching what I say" type deal.... beh! Now I understand why everyone is confused why I used it twice haha. Just ignore those ;[Ok, just bugged me out a little bit :) She always ends what she writes with "tones". I had no idea there was another meaning behind it.

angelatc
08-13-2009, 01:41 PM
I seem to recall that the US won't have enough to vaccinate all the people.

So some won't be able to get it even if they want it.

I'm not big on conspiracies, but I've seen this story (http://www.blogtalkradio.com/wakeupcallshow/blog/2008/08/17/VACCINES-LACED-WITH-BIRTH-CONTROL-DRUGS-YOU-NEED-TO-KNOW-httpwwwthinktwicecombirthconhtm) several places. We already know that governments aren't above injecting black men with syphilis.

pacelli
08-13-2009, 01:46 PM
Wait... what? tones? Is DapperDan? :confused:

Evidently so!

Thanks Tones/aka DapperDan.