Daily Show rips on conduct of town hall protestors

[BenIsForRon]

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-august-10-2009/healther-skelter

This video illustrates the point I've been trying to make here for the past week. When you go in guns blazing (figuratively) you end up looking like a total jackass. American's are looking for solutions, and we have to provide them in a calm, rational way. Otherwise you're just helping Obama.

EDIT: The next day, he ripped on the democrats too. They are all blindly supporting Obama w/o knowing what's in the bill

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-august-11-2009/reform-madness

[Original_Intent]

There is a place for both. Outrageous actions demand outrage. I really like the guy who open carried and did not let Chris Matthews play word games with him. Chris Matthews tried to get him to say that carrying the sign "It's time to water the tree of liberty" and open carrying somehwere where the <gasp!> President was going to be equated him to some kind of John Wilkes Booth. Kudos to him for keeping his head.

That being said I do not think the Town Hall outrage is playing in Obama's favor at all.

[MsDoodahs]

Otherwise you're just helping Obama.

That is what Stewart does - his intent is to help Obama.

He lost all credibility by being such an Obot.

[MsDoodahs]

That being said I do not think the Town Hall outrage is playing in Obama's favor at all.

I think the administration's decision to deny that real americans are angry and have real concerns is hurting BO and his effort to take over healthcare ala his GM takeover.

He's a fraud and a lot more people have now realized it.

[BenIsForRon]

He has been more critical of Obama than anyone else on TV (other than Fox news, which doesn't count).


BOTH of you need to watch the video, its 7 minutes. People around the country totally think all these town hall protestors are idiots (and rightfully so). Most of these people are not putting forward rational arguments, they just shout random shit, like "Obama is a socialist!". Well guess what? MOST OF OUR PRESIDENTS FOR THE PAST 100 YEARS HAVE BEEN SOCIALSTS, THIS IS NOTHING NEW!

[Standing Like A Rock]

His whole argument is an ad hominem. Instead of addressing the issues, he just says that the people are all crazies.

[Uriel999]

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-august-10-2009/healther-skelter

This video illustrates the point I've been trying to make here for the past week. When you go in guns blazing (figuratively) you end up looking like a total jackass. American's are looking for solutions, and we have to provide them in a calm, rational way. Otherwise you're just helping Obama.

Sorry, John Stewart can stfu

[Flash]

Of course people like Bill Maher & Jon Stewart will have Ron Paul on when he is slamming Bush. Then they slam us.

[BenIsForRon]

Jesus, none of you idiots are watching the video. Jon Stewart is a good guy.

As a matter of a fact, the next day, he was ripping on the democrats too, and the fact that they have no idea what's in the bill.

Video here:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-august-11-2009/reform-madness

[Chieppa1]

If he's a good guy, he will have Ron on. Period.

[BenIsForRon]

If he's a good guy, he will have Ron on. Period.

He had on Schiff a couple months ago. I hope he has on Ron too, but if he doesn't that doesn't destroy his credibility.

[MsDoodahs]

BOTH of you need to watch the video, its 7 minutes.

I don't watch Stewart anymore, not even on youtube. His total OBotness sickens me. I have no use for OBot mouthpieces, and Stewart is one.



People around the country totally think all these town hall protestors are idiots (and rightfully so).

No, democrats are intentionally portraying the protestors as idiots to the faithful OBots, using their mouthpieces (like Stewart and the MSNBC thugs).

Some of our forum members have attended these town hall protests to express their indignation and dissatisfaction with BOCare.

Are you saying that your fellow forum members are idiots?



Most of these people are not putting forward rational arguments, they just shout random shit, like "Obama is a socialist!".

Rational arguments are put forth by some; those arguments aren't being shown to the Obot faithful by likes of Stewart and the MSNBC Obot thugs.

Sad, really, that the dems put their faith in such a manipulative bunch, isn't it?



Well guess what? MOST OF OUR PRESIDENTS FOR THE PAST 100 YEARS HAVE BEEN SOCIALSTS, THIS IS NOTHING NEW!

Oh - but people gathering to shout it out loud .... that really IS something new.

:)

[AuH20]

Do you think Stewart would ever air this audio? Never because it's shows a democratic congressman to be an incoherent dunce. That wouldn't be funny though. ;)

YouTube - Rep. Hank Johnson (D-GA4) Healthcare Townhall Meeting - 08/10/2009 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOlB5KZE644&feature=player_embedded)

[BenIsForRon]

I don't watch Stewart anymore, not even on youtube. His total OBotness sickens me. I have no use for OBot mouthpieces, and Stewart is one.


What a fucking cop out. Then don't post in this thread you asshole. I've discussed this with you enough. You want to see Obama's bill fail even if it comes at the expense of growing the liberty movement.

[BenIsForRon]

Do you think Stewart would ever air this audio? Never because it's shows a democratic congressman to be an incoherent dunce. That wouldn't be funny though. ;)

YouTube - Rep. Hank Johnson (D-GA4) Healthcare Townhall Meeting - 08/10/2009 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOlB5KZE644&feature=player_embedded)

DUDE, look at the second video I posted! That is exactly what Jon did last night. He's not one sided on this issue, despite what ignorant people are saying in this thread.

Actually, it was incredibly funny. Seriously, stop falling for what the more loudmouthed members are saying. They like for everything to be black and white.

[MsDoodahs]

Jesus, none of you idiots are watching the video. Jon Stewart is a good guy.



Careful, there, Ben. Don't be calling your fellow forum members idiots; we're far from it, as you well know.

Regarding your view of Jon Stewart as a "good guy...."

The man lost credibility with his continual BO worship.

I'm curious if your characterization of Stewart as "good" is because you're unable to discern his Obotness ... or something else?

[kahless]

That obamabot is only giving air time to Ron and Schiff since he believes they are outside the Republican mainstream. Since they are gaining wide support in the party how long you really think that is going to last?

It will not be before to long where the obamabot trashes Ron and Schiff on policy.

[BenIsForRon]

Careful, there, Ben. Don't be calling your fellow forum members idiots; we're far from it, as you well know.

Regarding your view of Jon Stewart as a "good guy...."

The man lost credibility with his continual BO worship.

I'm curious if your characterization of Stewart as "good" is because you're unable to discern his Obotness ... or something else?

He does not worship Obama, far from it, he is just not as critical as we would like him to be.

And most of the posts before my post were rather idiotic, with people commenting before they watched the video.

I say Jon Stewart is good because he doesn't think the democrats are much better than republicans, he called out Obama ON INAUGURATION DAY for sounding exactly like Bush. And he likes Schiff and Paul. And I think he's funny. There you go, now watch the two videos or GTFO.

[DapperDan]

Calm down there bro.

http://fireofdarkness.googlepages.com/rage.JPG

[amy31416]

Ask and ye shall receive:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-june-4-2007/ron-paul

[Anti Federalist]

What a fucking cop out. Then don't post in this thread you asshole. I've discussed this with you enough. You want to see Obama's bill fail even if it comes at the expense of growing the liberty movement.

What the fuck is that?

What bill? There is no comprehensive bill.

How could passage of a "bill" in any way, shape, or form further the cause of liberty?

It will do just the opposite, it will set the framework in place to regulate every single aspect of your life, since everything you do will have some health ramifications.

Now that your neighbor is paying for it, he'll have the right to tell you how to live.

What the fuck is your problem anyway? You on the hook for some big medical bills or something?

[BenIsForRon]

Calm down there bro.

http://fireofdarkness.googlepages.com/rage.JPG

I'm just blown away by the lack of support I get on these things. I'm pissed of at the republicans because they are undermining support for the free market by getting their supporters to make asses of themselves. The fact that so many people here can't see that really gets at me.

[micahnelson]

Its ok ben. Some people just won't understand.

John Stewart is not an enemy here. I honestly believe in a few generations he will be considered the Mark Twain or Will Rogers of our time.

[Anti Federalist]

He does not worship Obama, far from it, he is just not as critical as we would like him to be.

And most of the posts before my post were rather idiotic, with people commenting before they watched the video.

I say Jon Stewart is good because he doesn't think the democrats are much better than republicans, he called out Obama ON INAUGURATION DAY for sounding exactly like Bush. And he likes Schiff and Paul. And I think he's funny. There you go, now watch the two videos or GTFO.

Jon Stewart is a comedian, an entertainer, nothing more.

[BenIsForRon]

How could passage of a "bill" in any way, shape, or form further the cause of liberty?


You're right, but we need to make sure that our opposition to this thing doesn't tie us too closely to the rank and file republicans. We shouldn't be adopting their rhetoric especially. We need to be primarily discussing big picture, and solutions to the big picture, and where this bill undermines solving the big picture.

[Epic]

John Stewart is just leftist propaganda. His goal is a socialist police state. His job is basically to provide cover for the establishment by making it seem "edgy" to be a socialist.

[BenIsForRon]

Its ok ben. Some people just won't understand.

John Stewart is not an enemy here. I honestly believe in a few generations he will be considered the Mark Twain or Will Rogers of our time.

Agreed, but that's not really the reason I made this thread. Jon Stewart just illustrated the point I've been trying to make the past week. Instead, people call him an Obot and ignore my underlying message.

Quite frustrating.

[micahnelson]

What the fuck is that?

What bill? There is no comprehensive bill.

How could passage of this "bill" in any way, shape, or form further the cause of liberty.

It will do just the opposite, it will set the framework in place to regulate every single aspect of your life, since everything you do will have some health ramifications.

Now that your neighbor is paying for it, he'll have the right to tell you how to live.

What the fuck is your problem anyway? You on the hook for some big medical bills or something?

The concern is that the opposition is making us look like a bunch of mouth breathers. The opponents are just as short on details as the proponents. What should be done about health care? Are we supporting a plan or opposing a plan which doesn't even exist?


Here is a good place to start...

Obama's health care plan will allow insurance companies to do what they have been trying to do for years, namely to drop the sick and elderly off the rolls and keep charging the outrageous costs for medical care. It isn't a plan for "The good of the people" to make the people pay for the most expensive to insure, while letting the insurance companies keep on charging what they charge only to insure the healthy.

There, a valid point against the healthcare plan. Here is another....

The end of life counseling that is part of the Obama plan is administered by government agents and not doctors. This decision should be made on a personal level, but the sanctity of the doctor patient relationship is being invaded by a government program. Is there a justification for this added layer of expensive social workers? I can't imagine one, unless the government plans to push an agenda within End of Life counseling. Living wills are important, but are not a matter that requires Federal Intervention- if you want to make it mandatory leave it up to doctors and patients.

.... Doesn't that sound better than "THE DEMOCRATS WANT TO KILL MY MOM".

There are ways to do this correctly, and ways to do this incorrectly. I am advocating we do this correctly so that we don't end up with the nightmare scenario ten years from now.

[micahnelson]

John Stewart is just leftist propaganda. His goal is a socialist police state. His job is basically to provide cover for the establishment by making it seem "edgy" to be a socialist.

No. You are incorrect. I am sorry. Please google Ron Paul on John Stewart.

[micahnelson]

Agreed, but that's not really the reason I made this thread. Jon Stewart just illustrated the point I've been trying to make the past week. Instead, people call him an Obot and ignore my underlying message.

Quite frustrating.

People have been brainwashed by sitting in the liberty movement echo chamber. Its as bad as any other media echo chamber.

[micahnelson]

You're right, but we need to make sure that our opposition to this thing doesn't tie us too closely to the rank and file republicans. We shouldn't be adopting their rhetoric especially. We need to be primarily discussing big picture, and solutions to the big picture, and where this bill undermines solving the big picture.

You seem to have consistent, principled views- Ron Paul Forums doesn't typically doesn't go for that.

[dannno]

Ask and ye shall receive:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-june-4-2007/ron-paul

Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside..

[Anti Federalist]

You're right, but we need to make sure that our opposition to this thing doesn't tie us too closely to the rank and file republicans. We shouldn't be adopting their rhetoric especially. We need to be primarily discussing big picture, and solutions to the big picture, and where this bill undermines solving the big picture.

OK, I agree.

I think, sadly, there is very little to be done about that though.

The fact that we are on the warpath against the sluts of both parties is missed by the left as well as the right.

A year ago at this time, many of the people who are now at our sides in these protests were calling us "Un-American" and "In bed with Islamo-fascists" among many other things.

But to a certain percentage of people, no matter what you say or do for the next four years, it won't matter to them, you will be a right wing fascist and racist, period.

Put on your Kevlar, the incoming is on the left now, instead of the right.

[micahnelson]

Put on your Kevlar, the incoming is on the left now, instead of the right.

Well maybe this is finally our chance to play to the middle. Do we have a plan for healthcare?

[amy31416]

Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside..

Yeah, me too. I thought Stewart was quite good to RP, despite not holding similar views. He wasn't a giant phony kiss-ass like Maher who would later insult him.

[BenIsForRon]

Put on your Kevlar, the incoming is on the left now, instead of the right.

Very true, but I think you're underestimating the potential for grabbing some from the left. There are many parts of this bill that still leave power in Big Pharma and Insurance's hands, and informed liberals are pissed. And there are other liberals that are just angry with Obama all around, just from what he's done (or not done) in his first half year.

Also people across the board are worried about the deficit. So yeah, we're getting more opportunities to recruit everyday, if we can just learn to tone down the rhetoric.

EDIT: Which by the way, in my personal experience, Ron Paul supporters are very good at. It's mainly what I see in this forum, combined with some of the town halls, that worries me.

[Anti Federalist]

Well maybe this is finally our chance to play to the middle. Do we have a plan for healthcare?

Of course.

And guess what? Two of our top guys are doctors.;)

YouTube - Congressman Ron Paul on Healthcare (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foXQbmZxWYY)

[amy31416]

Well maybe this is finally our chance to play to the middle. Do we have a plan for healthcare?

That's a big part of the problem--there is no opposing plan that's getting any media attention.

[Anti Federalist]

Very true, but I think you're underestimating the potential for grabbing some from the left. There are many parts of this bill that still leave power in Big Pharma and Insurance's hands, and informed liberals are pissed. And there are other liberals that are just angry with Obama all around, just from what he's done (or not done) in his first half year.

Also people across the board are worried about the deficit. So yeah, we're getting more opportunities to recruit everyday, if we can just learn to tone down the rhetoric.

EDIT: Which by the way, in my personal experience, Ron Paul supporters are very good at. It's mainly what I see in this forum, combined with some of the town halls, that worries me.

Well, describe that worry, specifically.

I'm all for it, myself, the heated rhetoric that is.

But I'm coming at this from a completely different angle than most.

[gls]

Now that your neighbor is paying for it, he'll have the right to tell you how to live.


Exactly. This already happens to some extent; I've heard it used as justification for seat belt and helmet laws and for "sin" taxes on tobacco.

[micahnelson]

That's a big part of the problem--there is no opposing plan that's getting any media attention.

Well lets get started.

Everyone may add a provision, or edit one that came before you.

1) Individuals may purchase out of state insurance. This will have the effect of eliminating mandates, allowing insurance coverage tailored to the individual. IE, catastrophic only, or the luxury plans.

[MsDoodahs]

Also people across the board are worried about the deficit. So yeah, we're getting more opportunities to recruit everyday, if we can just learn to tone down the rhetoric.

Where do we have people at these events engaging in the hollering and hellraising? I don't care if they DO holler and raise some hell - I've said before and I'll say again: I would have a hard time not hollering at one of those things, because I'm ANGRY AT THE LOT OF THEM.


EDIT: Which by the way, in my personal experience, Ron Paul supporters are very good at. It's mainly what I see in this forum, combined with some of the town halls, that worries me.

What on this forum "worries" you?

[micahnelson]

What on this forum "worries" you?


I'll tell you what worries me, dominionism and survivalism paired with the idea permeating the threads that "the time for civil discourse has ended."


Add a provision in the Ron Paul Forums healthcare bill, be part of the solution. We need your input!

[BenIsForRon]

Well, describe that worry, specifically.


Strictly policitical. You've seen the hit jobs the media will try. Look at William Kostric, Matthews tried to link him to birthers and so on.

So basically, we have to be trying to prevent super negative political ties. Next, we have to understand that the elites will totally use divide and conquer. We shouldn't play into that game. We should try everything we can to bridge the two sides, especially because many people supporting the public option are only doing so from lack of alternatives (due to the one sided media).

[amy31416]

Well lets get started.

Everyone may add a provision, or edit one that came before you.

1) Individuals may purchase out of state insurance. This will have the effect of eliminating mandates, allowing insurance coverage tailored to the individual. IE, catastrophic only, or the luxury plans.

Well, I can only go from what I know. I grew up with great insurance as my father worked for GE. I then worked for a big company where I was able to choose from several different plans, so there were no problems until I was self-employed.

I looked around for affordable and reasonable health insurance in the free market, and there was nothing that worked for me. I ended up having an emergency surgery and will likely have to declare bankruptcy because of it. Less than 24 hours in a hospital, and it wrecked me financially.

My father had health insurance, but was struck with a rare disease. The experimental meds were upwards of 30k/month. There's no plan in the world that helped that aside from my own efforts to get him into a research study. That's the only reason my mother still has her home. My father died.

I declined to participate in the lawsuit that followed for the experimental drug, as it would have been completely dishonest, but I could have cashed in.

It's a sick system. I don't know what to do about it, but it needs to be changed.

[MsDoodahs]

I'll tell you what worries me, dominionism and survivalism paired with the idea permeating the threads that "the time for civil discourse has ended."

That doesn't worry me in the least. :)



Add a provision in the Ron Paul Forums healthcare bill, be part of the solution. We need your input!

Healthcare is not a right.

:)

[micahnelson]

I don't know what to do about it, but it needs to be changed.

Most people feel this way. The people in DC don't know either. I'm just asking for a brainstorming session.

Its been said that the group's estimated average of a guess is better than an expert's guess. The crowd, when accurately polled, gets it right.

Im just asking for people to toss in ideas, doesn't have to be perfect, just toss something out.

If we create a plan that is simple, would help, and is easy to understand it could go viral and show that Ron Paul's movement isn't just about saying NO.

[micahnelson]

Healthcare is not a right.

:)


Im not sure about that...

You have a RIGHT to pursue a career in healthcare.
You have a RIGHT to purchase and trade for things you desire.

This is part of free enterprise.

What you don't have a right to is someone else's wallet.

Does an insurance company have a RIGHT to exist? There is a good question for this debate.

[LibertyEagle]

That's a big part of the problem--there is no opposing plan that's getting any media attention.

qft

[MsDoodahs]

Next, we have to understand that the elites will totally use divide and conquer. We shouldn't play into that game.




Jesus, none of you idiots are watching the video.

lol....

[BenIsForRon]

I think one of the biggest reforms needed is either abolition of the licensing system, or a major reahaul that allows less serious problems to be dealt with by less trained professionals. Reform of patent laws for pharmaceuticals might also help. Tort reform is something Ron Paul mentions, but I'm not up to snuff on that enough to say anything.

The guy on freedomain radio had a plethora of helpful ideas.

[micahnelson]

qft

SO add something to the RPF Healthcare bill. What is the alternative we can offer besides....

Dey Tk yer Grmms

Day Took you Gma!

They Took your Grandma!

[MsDoodahs]

Healthcare is not a right.

:)


Im not sure about that...



And that, folks, is exactly why we're in this mess today.

[Anti Federalist]

SO add something to the RPF Healthcare bill. What is the alternative we can offer besides....

Dey Tk yer Grmms

Day Took you Gma!

They Took your Grandma!

I've been offering free market alternatives since 1993, the last time this nonsense was tried.

Seems like there is no room for that at all, and beyond any free market solutions, I could care less, since that would be nothing more than yet another gigantic spending boondoggle.

The only good thing this time around, is we are so freaking broke that the argument is moot, really.

And when I approach the topic, especially when I get in the middle of two "reformers", I like to drop that bomb. What everybody is arguing about is ridiculous and moot and meaningless.

We're $15 trillion in the hole. There's no money to buy anything for anybody.

[Anti Federalist]

Im not sure about that...

You have a RIGHT to pursue a career in healthcare.
You have a RIGHT to purchase and trade for things you desire.

This is part of free enterprise.

What you don't have a right to is someone else's wallet.

Healthcare is not a right, it is a commodity.

[amy31416]

Most people feel this way. The people in DC don't know either. I'm just asking for a brainstorming session.

Its been said that the group's estimated average of a guess is better than an expert's guess. The crowd, when accurately polled, gets it right.

Im just asking for people to toss in ideas, doesn't have to be perfect, just toss something out.

If we create a plan that is simple, would help, and is easy to understand it could go viral and show that Ron Paul's movement isn't just about saying NO.

Well, how about a non-government, non-profit organization--is something like that possible on a larger scale?

[max]

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-august-10-2009/healther-skelter

This video illustrates the point I've been trying to make here for the past week. When you go in guns blazing (figuratively) you end up looking like a total jackass. American's are looking for solutions, and we have to provide them in a calm, rational way. Otherwise you're just helping Obama.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-august-11-2009/reform-madness

Dead wrong! These in-your-face protests coincide with tanking poll numbers for Obamacare.

Sheeple are seeing this anger and beginning to wonder about this scheme. Had the townhall attendees all been "civil" pussies, the bill would not be getting exposed today!

[BenIsForRon]

Healthcare is not a right, it is a commodity.

I think everybody on here who says it is a right, means it in the way that everyone has a right to live their own healthy life, or not to. I highly doubt anybody on RPF thinks government owes us healthcare.


And that, folks, is exactly why we're in this mess today.

You're an asshole. You know what she meant, yet you try to take the high road like you're the fucking free market superhero.

[MsDoodahs]

The only good thing this time around, is we are so freaking broke that the argument is moot, really.

And when I approach the topic, especially when I get in the middle of two "reformers", I like to drop that bomb. What everybody is arguing about is ridiculous and moot and meaningless.

We're $15 trillion in the hole. There's no money to buy anything for anybody.

Agreed. The system is headed for a breakdown.

Black market will spring up and be used by the average folks with the ability to access it. The gov't system will be a hellhole, FAR worse than what we have today.

The wealthy will get healthcare in China or some place far, far away.

[MsDoodahs]

Ben is taking a break. He'll return shortly. :)

[micahnelson]

You intentionally misquoted what I said. I think you need a time out, miss.

Im watching Jon Stewart trash obama right now, by the way.

[Anti Federalist]

Jeez, leave the thread for five minutes and all hell breaks loose.

[amy31416]

Jeez, leave the thread for five minutes and all hell breaks loose.

Aha! So this is your fault!

Thank god we have a scapegoat. Can't get enough of those.

[Anti Federalist]

Agreed. The system is headed for a breakdown.

Black market will spring up and be used by the average folks with the ability to access it. The gov't system will be a hellhole, FAR worse than what we have today.

The wealthy will get healthcare in China or some place far, far away.

The gov system will devolve into bright, shiny, euthanasia centers.

Think Soylent Green.

And healthcare "tourism" is already a booming business.

I had read someplace, I'll have to find the link, that one of the pending bills bans the practice outright, if you get medical procedures done, that are not related to a non chronic emergency, you will be subject to fines and prison upon your return to the US.

[MsDoodahs]

You intentionally misquoted what I said. I think you need a time out, miss.



I did not misquote you.

You stated that you are not sure on whether or not healthcare is a right.

I believe that is the problem behind the healthcare discussion.

[micahnelson]

The wealthiest in the world come to America for surgery because we have the best and most expensive in the world.

Many Americans go overseas for medical treatment because they can't afford healthcare here.

Like anything else, this country has the best of everything- assuming you can afford it.

[micahnelson]

I did not misquote you.

You stated that you are not sure on whether or not healthcare is a right.

I believe that is the problem behind the healthcare discussion.

I clarified my statement by saying that certain aspects of healthcare is, in fact, a right.

You have a right to choose a career in medicine if you desire it.

You have a right to exchange and trade for medical service, if said service is available for trade.

You intentionally made it seem like I was saying that you have a right to have someone put a bandaid on you.

Obviously you can deny it if you want, but it just sucks having my statements cherry picked on this forum. I would think the people here would know better by seeing how the media operates.

[MsDoodahs]

The gov system will devolve into bright, shiny, euthanasia centers.

Think Soylent Green.

And healthcare "tourism" is already a booming business.

I had read someplace, I'll have to find the link, that one of the pending bills bans the practice outright, if you get medical procedures done, that are not related to a non chronic emergency, you will be subject to fines and prison upon your return to the US.

I've read about healthcare tourism, it is a booming business.

If the fed gov bans it, then the wealthy will just leave the country for good.

Either way, it's not going to be pretty.

[Epic]

No. You are incorrect. I am sorry. Please google Ron Paul on John Stewart.

So he gave RP a good interview. I don't care. Stewart still exists to prop up the establishment.

[Dr.3D]

I've read about healthcare tourism, it is a booming business.

If the fed gov bans it, then the wealthy will just leave the country for good.

Either way, it's not going to be pretty.

I went to this place to get three hernia surgeries. http://www.shouldice.com/
I wanted the gold standard in hernia repair and they are the ones who developed the technique that is the best there is. I had to go to Toronto to get the surgeries though.

In the United States, I could not find any place that did not use those patches that are inserted into the body and then grow into the flesh. Once they have grown into the flesh, they can not be removed without taking out a lot of tissue in the process.

Many of those patches have had problems and there have been a ton of lawsuits. I didn't want to go though the horrors of a blown out patch so I paid my own money for the surgeries in Toronto rather than have my health insurance company pay for the patch used in this country because they would not cover surgeries done out of the country.

[Mandrik]

I'd prefer civility at these town halls. Then again, I think it is much better to see people screaming and yelling than just sitting on a couch at home watching TV. Isn't outrage better than apathy? What if people got this angry leading up to the bailout votes? People were outraged then, but not like this. They can only take so much BS before they snap.

[Dr.3D]

I'd prefer civility at these town halls. Then again, I think it is much better to see people screaming and yelling than just sitting on a couch at home watching TV. Isn't outrage better than apathy? What if people got this angry leading up to the bailout votes? People were outraged then, but not like this. They can only take so much BS before they snap.
And if they are still not heard after all of this and the bill is passed anyway, then what kind of snap would you expect to see happen?

[Anti Federalist]

Aha! So this is your fault!

Thank god we have a scapegoat. Can't get enough of those.

Or sacrificial lambs.:D

[MsDoodahs]

And if they are still not heard after all of this and the bill is passed anyway, then what kind of snap would you expect to see happen?

I don't want to think about it.

:eek:

[Dr.3D]

I don't want to think about it.

:eek:
Maybe this is why they are building those camps. :eek:

[Anti Federalist]

Maybe this is why they are building those camps. :eek:

You guys think...

Tick tock tick tock...

[MsDoodahs]

Ben's break is over.

:)

[devil21]

How the hell did "BenisforRon" go from being banned to being unbanned right before my very eyes? Im surprised the page 3 attack on a mod would be permitted. But then again, trolls are starting to overrun this site these days so nothing really surprises me much anymore.

[BenIsForRon]

How the hell did "BenisforRon" go from being banned to being unbanned right before my very eyes? Im surprised the page 3 attack on a mod would be permitted. But then again, trolls are starting to overrun this site these days so nothing really surprises me much anymore.

Cool deal, I thought I was banned till tonight. Are you implying mods should be treated differently from other users? I don't think so. I think I was unfairly banned, I'll be talking to some admin's about it later....

Max actually made a good point though. If we choose the crazy, hot headed route, we can build even more resistance with those don the right. You know, the generally old, social conservative, fox news viewer. Could we actually build enough of a critical mass to stop this bill? I doubt it. Here's why.

Going the hot head route will only garner support of a smaller section of the population, and further drive the whole other section into the arms of the government. We don't need more shit to divide us, and the Campaign for Liberty definitely doesn't need to ostracize itself from the Liberal left, which has been our ally many times throughout the years (see: ACLU, Nader, McKinney, Kucinich, Grayson, Marijuana Policy Project, Bill Moyers, and so on and so forth. People that have never been our political enemies in the past)

[devil21]

Cool deal, I thought I was banned till tonight. Are you implying mods should be treated differently from other users? I don't think so. I think I was unfairly banned, I'll be talking to some admin's about it later....

No a mod shouldn't be treated differently than any other user but a mod obviously becomes aware of the type of person someone is very quickly, instead of that person falling through the forum cracks. Im pretty sure the forum TOS prohibits personal attacks like your page 3 outburst.

Btw good luck with your "Im gonna tell the teacher on you" tactic. LOL you've shown your true colors on this thread a couple times.

[BenIsForRon]

No a mod shouldn't be treated differently than any other user but a mod obviously becomes aware of the type of person someone is very quickly, instead of that person falling through the forum cracks. Im pretty sure the forum TOS prohibits personal attacks like your page 3 outburst.

Btw good luck with your "Im gonna tell the teacher on you" tactic. LOL you've shown your true colors on this thread a couple times.

She banned me, unjustly IMO. Of course I'm going to talk to an admin. I think MsDoodahs shouldn't be a mod. I don't think that qualifies me as a snitch, just working a problem out.