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raystone
08-11-2009, 06:23 PM
Which furthers the cause of liberty ?

Chester Copperpot
08-11-2009, 06:23 PM
It might make them listen to the people.. or at least get scared.. maybe they need to get scared to listen

CasualApathy
08-11-2009, 06:28 PM
NO: We Must Engage in Civil Discourse

torchbearer
08-11-2009, 06:33 PM
They aren't listening or they can't hear.
Just in case they can't hear- scream loudly, use hand gestures and/or ASL.
Draw pictures- jump up and down. Do whatever it takes to communicate.
Then- if they continue to not represent you, you can then assume they aren't listening.
From that point- refer to the declaration of independence for further guidance.

torchbearer
08-11-2009, 06:35 PM
...when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

Matt Collins
08-11-2009, 06:43 PM
Shouting at them is the least we can do. I think tar and feathers, or maybe running them out of town on a rail might be a better choice. ;)

Deborah K
08-11-2009, 06:49 PM
Liars should be shouted down. Period. If they've lied, nothing they say is believable and they've made themselves into targets for angry constituents who have to right to vent on them, and if they're smart, they'll give them the chance to do so, lest they cause this to manifest into something much worse.

t0rnado
08-11-2009, 07:22 PM
Shouting and yelling just makes people look like lunatics who can't use reason or logic.

torchbearer
08-11-2009, 07:26 PM
Shouting and yelling just makes people look like lunatics who can't use reason or logic.

shouting and yelling is often the result of someone refusing to listen to you.
a representative is elected to represent you, and is obligated to listen to you.
If you and your neighbors tell him vote "no" on bailouts, he then flips you the proverbial finger and votes for it anyway- he's not listening.
if you tell him you want the troops home, then he votes to keep sending them overseas via more funding- he isn't listening.
after awhile- you kinda get tired of asking civilly.
Then eventually you will get tired of screaming-
then time for talk is over.

angelatc
08-11-2009, 07:29 PM
When they passed the bailout despite overwhelming protest, they made it pretty clear that we weren't speaking quite loud enough.

TCE
08-11-2009, 07:47 PM
I am going to run against the grain. An organized, education attack must take place first. And what I mean by this is to try and articulate the arguments against health care in the best way possible. Then, IF your representative counters with some bull that doesn't even address your point, THEN shout them down.

Matt Collins
08-11-2009, 07:48 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/1774_lynching.jpg

torchbearer
08-11-2009, 07:49 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/1774_lynching.jpg

are they pouring sand in the guys mouth?

Flash
08-11-2009, 07:49 PM
I am sick of people saying "Shouting does nothing." Everytime I turn on the TV they are talking about the town hall meetings. And more Americans are getting angry.

t0rnado
08-11-2009, 07:51 PM
shouting and yelling is often the result of someone refusing to listen to you.
a representative is elected to represent you, and is obligated to listen to you.
If you and your neighbors tell him vote "no" on bailouts, he then flips you the proverbial finger and votes for it anyway- he's not listening.
if you tell him you want the troops home, then he votes to keep sending them overseas via more funding- he isn't listening.
after awhile- you kinda get tired of asking civilly.
Then eventually you will get tired of screaming-
then time for talk is over.

Shouting hasn't ended the occupation of Iraq, it hasn't resulted in senators and congressmen being voted out of office, or anything else. Also, it didn't get Ron Paul elected.

torchbearer
08-11-2009, 07:53 PM
Shouting hasn't ended the occupation of Iraq, it hasn't resulted in senators and congressmen being voted out of office, or anything else. Also, it didn't get Ron Paul elected.

neither did talking-
I guess there is only one option left, it worked a couple hundred years ago.

angelatc
08-11-2009, 07:55 PM
I am going to run against the grain. An organized, education attack must take place first. And what I mean by this is to try and articulate the arguments against health care in the best way possible. Then, IF your representative counters with some bull that doesn't even address your point, THEN shout them down.

Go look at how the left wins every damned thing they asked for over the past 50 years.

They don't talk or use polite discourse. They march, they shout, they demand.

We need to read Alinsky's book and live it.

angelatc
08-11-2009, 07:56 PM
I am sick of people saying "Shouting does nothing." Everytime I turn on the TV they are talking about the town hall meetings. And more Americans are getting angry.

That's a great point. Shouting gets us on TV.

Flash
08-11-2009, 07:59 PM
That's a great point. Shouting gets us on TV.

Exactly :D.

Matt Collins
08-11-2009, 08:07 PM
are they pouring sand in the guys mouth?Tea... hot... :D

RP4EVER
08-11-2009, 08:36 PM
and getting on TV for being disrespectful does not help our cause; it alienates us even further; if thats possible.

You only shout and run amuck if you are prepared to give the last full measure. Otherwise the can of worms you open will be something hard to digest.

torchbearer
08-11-2009, 08:39 PM
and getting on TV for being disrespectful does not help our cause; it alienates us even further; if thats possible.

You only shout and run amuck if you are prepared to give the last full measure. Otherwise the can of worms you open will be something hard to digest.

That can of worms is about to open- and no one is going to like it.
But whose fault is it?
The segment of the population who wants to use democracy as a form of tyranny or those who stand up for their rights?

Flash
08-11-2009, 08:40 PM
and getting on TV for being disrespectful does not help our cause; it alienates us even further; if thats possible.

You only shout and run amuck if you are prepared to give the last full measure. Otherwise the can of worms you open will be something hard to digest.

The average Republicans are behind these Town Hall protests. I'm sure theres a good portion of Ron Paul fans there-- but if there is going to be any criticism against the protesterse, it will be targetted at Republicans in general. Besides, no one so far has been disrespectful. I didnt' see anyone throw anything or shout the N or F word (besides union pro-Socialists).

tpreitzel
08-11-2009, 08:40 PM
Personally, try to refrain from shouting (emotional response) if possible, but insist on being heard one way or another. Hopefully, shouting won't be necessary. I know. I know. It's difficult to remain composed in the presence of traitors. Persist, but try to remain "rational" in the eyes of our opponents. One can still be a real thorn in the side by remaining tenaciously level headed. A better approach consists of making your "representatives" look ridiculous in the eyes of the assembly.

RP4EVER
08-11-2009, 08:47 PM
this is no joke. this is an all or nothing fight; there is no turning back if we lose the war; be sure youre ready for the consequence or youre ready to give your life.

The FEDs are monitoring everything we do...because we have not been subtle in doing it, Being subtle would have bought us more time; that advantage has been wasted.

War is not a slugging match; war is a subtle tactic of manuver to get your enemy in a weak position. General Lee made a deadly mistake at Gettysburg....and it cost him. There is no tomorrow if we perchance to fight another Revolution. One mistake will doom everything; with modern technology they can cut us down faster than we can replinish our lines.

Before you go headlong Torchbear.....think about what i have said.

Flame me if you must......but think on it at the end of the day.

torchbearer
08-11-2009, 08:58 PM
this is no joke. this is an all or nothing fight; there is no turning back if we lose the war; be sure youre ready for the consequence or youre ready to give your life.

The FEDs are monitoring everything we do...because we have not been subtle in doing it, Being subtle would have bought us more time; that advantage has been wasted.

War is not a slugging match; war is a subtle tactic of manuver to get your enemy in a weak position. General Lee made a deadly mistake at Gettysburg....and it cost him. There is no tomorrow if we perchance to fight another Revolution. One mistake will doom everything; with modern technology they can cut us down faster than we can replinish our lines.

Before you go headlong Torchbear.....think about what i have said.

Flame me if you must......but think on it at the end of the day.

We can either pretend like we are free.. and continue on our death march to our reservations and free speech zones, or you can stand up and make the tyrants show their fangs.
I've been doing this shit for 15 years now. We are making huge strides- but the closer we get, the tighter the tyrants are closing their fist.

Follow the dots- and you see- we have passed the event horizon.

RP4EVER
08-11-2009, 09:02 PM
And its because we are above the radar that they are cracking down. Every action has an opposite and equal reaction.

My question remains; are you prepared to die for the cause?

t0rnado
08-11-2009, 09:03 PM
neither did talking-
I guess there is only one option left, it worked a couple hundred years ago.

I can't disagree with that.

torchbearer
08-11-2009, 09:05 PM
And its because we are above the radar that they are cracking down. Every action has an opposite and equal reaction.

My question remains; are you prepared to die for the cause?

No, I'm prepared to die for myself.
I have no future in their collectivist world. I'd rather be dead than live as their slave.

RP4EVER
08-11-2009, 09:08 PM
dieing for yourself serves no purpose; the patriots you laud did not die for themselves; they died to ensure freedom for their children and their families.

torchbearer
08-11-2009, 09:10 PM
dieing for yourself serves no purpose; the patriots you laud did not die for themselves; they died to ensure freedom for their children and their families.

Dying serves little purpose, but if you are going to take up a gun, it should be in defense of yourself, not a "cause". Hitler had a cause.

Sandra
08-11-2009, 09:12 PM
dieing for yourself serves no purpose; the patriots you laud did not die for themselves; they died to ensure freedom for their children and their families.

+1.... I have to for my kids.

RP4EVER
08-11-2009, 09:17 PM
Firstly: Hitler had a belief that is true......but the common people did not believe in it. Thats why members of his armed forces kept trying to kill him.

Secondly: Taking up a gun is the penultimate thing. If you want to die for yourself just wait a few years; or use the gun in another manner.


My point is this...again...flame me if you must.....but think about what I have said; thats all im asking.

torchbearer
08-11-2009, 09:18 PM
Firstly: Hitler had a belief that is true......but the common people did not believe in it. Thats why members of his armed forces kept trying to kill him.

Secondly: Taking up a gun is the penultimate thing. If you want to die for yourself just wait a few years; or use the gun in another manner.


My point is this...again...flame me if you must.....but think about what I have said; thats all im asking.

If you break into my home, you will get shot.
What is so radical about that?

RP4EVER
08-11-2009, 09:24 PM
Theres nothing radical defending yourself; there is something radical in inviting them in and then trying to deal with it.

torchbearer
08-11-2009, 09:26 PM
Theres nothing radical defending yourself; there is something radical in inviting them in and then trying to deal with it.

"inviting them in" wtf? Then they aren't breaking into your house if you let them in.
I refuse to pay another dime to these thugs, if they break down my door in order to force compliance or imprison me, blood will liter my walls. Same for any other thugs who break in UNINVITED.

If everyone had this attitude, the income tax would have died a long time ago.

torchbearer
08-11-2009, 09:29 PM
The parasites in our government can't survive without a host for very long.
Deny them of their slaves, deny them of their power.
Either you are going to make this stand, or get on the train with the other slaves.

RP4EVER
08-11-2009, 09:36 PM
Let me ask a question.....what sparked the Revolutionary War?

Did the Patriots have just cause to fight....or did they pick the fight?

Second: Inviting the tyranny is what we have done. We have become a visible and vocal threat.........instead of galvinizing our position a little at a time; weve shot for an all out attempt and invited a counter response. They have provided it

And in respect for ontopicness; please post any replies to PM. My apologies to the Moderators for moving this offtopic.

silverhandorder
08-11-2009, 09:43 PM
Other: Use both tactics, show them that you are not happy and interrupt their speeches to ask them questions. Motherfuckers work for us and better answer questions before giving the shpeal and retreating.

Mandrik
08-11-2009, 09:59 PM
I believe civil discourse is always the best way for action, so I selected that. That is how I would engage a member of Congress, given the chance. Unfortunately I don't believe the message is getting through. Screaming seems to be working a heck of a lot better. Plus, I'd rather have a bunch of angry people being escorted out of these town hall meetings than a bunch of apathetic Americans that don't care what politicians are doing.

torchbearer
08-11-2009, 11:34 PM
Second: Inviting the tyranny is what we have done.

Are you one of those sick fucks that blame the rape victim for the rape?
That seems to be your logic here.

He Who Pawns
08-11-2009, 11:41 PM
They don't give a damn what we think. They would have crammed this down our throats in July if they could have, with almost ZERO debate or discussion. Thank god the blue dogs feared for their own careers enough to block that.

Not only do most of these traitors in congress deserve to be "shouted down", they deserve to beaten down and thrown in jail.

hotbrownsauce
08-11-2009, 11:45 PM
Anger, there is a time and place for it.

I suggest when we are angry we use facts that will make our Reps look like fools and give us legitimacy to our loudness.

Such as, before going to your town hall meeting see how you Rep voted on certain bills and what the public's opinion was. Formulate that you tried civil discussion before with other bills but your Rep didn't listen to you and the people so you have a RIGHT to be mad because your Rep isn't listening and YOU'LL be damned if he doesn't listen again.

pahs1994
08-12-2009, 10:17 AM
Other: They should be Voted down

dr. hfn
08-12-2009, 11:10 AM
a little of both?

Aratus
08-12-2009, 11:13 AM
NO: We Must Engage in Civil Discourse
haven't given up on john or jane Q. public.
mayhap i just might run for public office, here....

CasualApathy
08-12-2009, 04:18 PM
Well, Ron Paul has spoken. He said on freedom watch that he is excited about people complaining at townhalls, but that he is worried about the shouting and feels that it won't accomplish very much.

max
08-12-2009, 04:57 PM
Actually....both courses of action are necessary...

The loud in your face activism shocks people out of their comfort zone and undermines our enemies credibility and hold over them to some extant..

The civil discouse type of activism serves as "the good cop" so that we all cant be dismissed as "crazy"

It's like the violent black panthers and the "non-violent" ML King in the 60's. The two tactics worked together. The militants shocked people....and then the "reasonable" ML King seemed more respectable.

I prefer the in-your-face approach...but I realize that we need the soft sell too....which I'll leave for others

fedup100
08-12-2009, 05:05 PM
When they passed the bailout despite overwhelming protest, they made it pretty clear that we weren't speaking quite loud enough.

I couldn't agree more. The royalty now known as "public servants" had better let them shout them down and they better listen for the next step in the process will be to their unlikeing.

lx43
08-12-2009, 09:47 PM
The screaming and yelling approach works. I call it "the shock factor" because 1. it makes them realize they work for us, not the other way around. 2. The powers that be realize we are extremely angry and it makes them moderate their stances or risk losing an election which also buys us time to organize. 3. It gets media attention.

I hope people keep screaming to get headlines.

Flash
08-12-2009, 09:50 PM
Keep screaming. Every Republican talk radio or TV host is on our side. The only ones opposing the screaming is MSNBC and they have almost no ratings.

lx43
08-12-2009, 10:05 PM
I don't know why Microsoft doesn't pull out of this endless losing money pitt called MSNBC.