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Light
08-11-2009, 11:08 AM
Angry White Men
by Patrick J. Buchanan

To hear the Obamaites, those raucous crowds pouring into town hall meetings are “mobs” of “thugs” whose rage has been “manufactured” by K Street lobbyists and right-wing Republican operatives.

Press secretary Robert Gibbs compares them to the Young Republicans of the “Brooks Brothers riot” during the Florida recount.

But is it wise for the White House to denigrate and insult scores of thousands with the fire and energy to come to town meetings in August, and who appear to represent millions? Is this depiction fair or accurate?

Most K Street lobbyists could not organize a two-car funeral. They don’t storm meetings. They buy friends with $1,000 checks. And if GOP operatives are turning out these crowds, why could they not turn them out for John McCain, unless Sister Sarah showed up?

The Obamaites had best wake up. Opposition to health-care reform is surging, and Barack Obama’s campaigning has gone hand-in-hand with collapsing support, just as George W. Bush’s barnstorming did for Social Security reform.

There is an anger out there unseen since Ross Perot was leading Bush I and Bill Clinton in the presidential trial heats in 1992.

Who are these folks? Why are they angry?

In his essay “Decline of the American Male” in USA Today, David Zinczenko, editor of Men’s Health, give us a clue. “Of the 5.2 million people who’ve lost their jobs since last summer, four out of five were men. Some experts predict that this year, for the first time, more American women will have jobs than men.”

Ed Rubenstein, who has written for Forbes, National Review and the Wall Street Journal, blogs on VDARE.com that if one uses the household survey of job losses for June-July, Hispanics gained 150,000 positions, while non-Hispanics lost 679,000. Guess who got the stimulus jobs.

Going back to the beginning of the Bush presidency, Rubenstein says that “for every 100 Hispanics employed in January 2001, there are now 122.5. … (But) for every 100 non-Hispanics employed in January 2001, there are now 98.9.”

Since 2001, Hispanic employment has increased by 3,627,000 positions, while non-Hispanic positions have fallen by 1,362,000. For black and white America, the Bush decade did not begin well or end well, and it has gotten worse under Obama.

African-Americans remain loyal, but among white folks, where Obama ran stronger than John Kerry or Al Gore, he is hemorrhaging.

According to the latest Quinnipiac poll, which showed him falling to 50 percent approval, whites, by 54 percent to 27 percent, felt Obama behaved “stupidly” in the Sgt. Crowley-professor Gates dustup.

Fifteen straight months of job losses by non-Hispanics explains the anger, but columnist Lowell Ponte raises an issue that may explain who is protesting health-care reform and why.

Under the civil rights legal doctrine of disparate impact, used in the New Haven firefighters case, if tests for hirings and promotions consistently produce results disadvantageous to minorities, the tests are, de facto, suspect as inherently discriminatory, and the results are tossed out. New Haven canceled the promotions for firefighters when all but one of the firemen who passed the test were white, and not a single African-American made the cut.

The city argued that New Haven was acting true to the letter of the Civil Rights Act, which says that tests that consistently produce a disparate and unfavorable impact on African-Americans must go.

Ponte applies the disparate impact doctrine to the trillion-dollar health-care reform.

Who are the principal beneficiaries? The 47 million uninsured who will be covered. Who are the principal losers? The elderly sick who, in the name of controlling costs, are going to lose benefits, be denied care at the end of their lives and have their lives shortened. For half of all health-care costs are in the last six months of life, and cost control is priority No. 1.

Here is where the disparate impact hits. Among those who benefit most — the uninsured — African-Americans, Hispanics and immigrants are overrepresented. Among the biggest losers — seniors and the elderly sick — well over 80 percent are white. Ponte quotes Fox News’ Dick Morris:

“The principal impact of the Obama health-care program will be to reduce sharply the medical services the elderly can use. No longer will their every medical need be met, their every medication prescribed, their every need to improve their quality of life answered.”

Under Obamacare, adds Morris, “the elderly will go from being the group with the most access to free medical care to the one with the least access.”

America is already divided ideologically and politically on health-care reform. And with seniors having to sacrifice care, while the young are all insured, a generational divide is opening.

Now Nobel prize-winner and New York Times pundit Paul Krugman writes in his “The Town Hall Mobs” column that, as did Richard Nixon’s men, “cynical political operators are … appealing to the racial fears of working-class whites.”

Pulitzer prize-winning black columnist Cynthia Tucker says 45 percent to 65 percent of all vocal opponents of Obamacare are motivated by racial hostility to a black president.

We are headed for interesting times.

Light
08-11-2009, 11:43 AM
No one has anything to say?

tmosley
08-11-2009, 11:47 AM
Can't type....too...angry...

AAAAAARRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHH!

pcosmar
08-11-2009, 11:52 AM
Who you callin' white?

pcosmar= people colored, often tan. Not white.

Angry, YES

RevolutionSD
08-11-2009, 11:59 AM
Good article by PB. Sometimes he nails it, other times not so much.

canadian4ronpaul
08-11-2009, 12:37 PM
i like buchanan more and more recently. his writings on foreign policy are incredible, and always provides links to the information he uses in his articles so you can check the facts for yourself. in this article there was a link to this :

http://www.poorandstupid.com/2008_10_12_chronArchive.asp#7621839616578647443

about krugmans nobel prize.

BlackTerrel
08-11-2009, 05:09 PM
Is Pat still alive? He has to be pushing 90 by now.

kahless
08-11-2009, 05:41 PM
Not sure how Pat lives with himself not only working for the enemy (MSNBC) but being treated horribly live on air.

Lovecraftian4Paul
08-11-2009, 06:06 PM
Wonderful. I really like what I've read of from Buchanan's political pieces, and his respectable--though controversial--historical works. It's just a shame he was never able to make a serious go for President all the way to November. He would have made a decent one.

Flash
08-11-2009, 06:13 PM
Wonderful. I really like what I've read of from Buchanan's political pieces, and his respectable--though controversial--historical works. It's just a shame he was never able to make a serious go for President all the way to November. He would have made a decent one.

I would love it if he tried to run for President in 2012. I know it won't happen but still.

BlackTerrel
08-12-2009, 02:46 AM
I would love it if he tried to run for President in 2012. I know it won't happen but still.

Considering he's a racist I'd guess his chances of winning are not very high.

Flash
08-12-2009, 02:51 AM
Considering he's a racist I'd guess his chances of winning are not very high.

Nah, he isn't racist. I agree with him on just about everything. He gets accused of it a lot. But in reality it's people like Olbermann who are racists, for calling Steele a self-hater & everything.

And besides, just about every racist movement in history has come from the left. Just look at National Socialism.

devil21
08-12-2009, 04:04 AM
Considering he's a racist I'd guess his chances of winning are not very high.

Even if he makes sense he should be ignored? Just because he's a racist? I'm not saying Pat is or isn't a racist. But you imply that if he is indeed a racist then that means everything he says should be ignored as wrong. Isn't that what you're saying Terrel?

nobody's_hero
08-12-2009, 04:55 AM
I like it when people tell the truth rather than hide behind political correctness. Go Pat.

fedup100
08-12-2009, 09:28 AM
Considering he's a racist I'd guess his chances of winning are not very high.

I wouldn't be to sure, a racist black man just sat his sorry ass down in the White House.

Flash
08-12-2009, 11:53 AM
Yeah & Pat Buchanan on Savage's show said he isn't against immigration. He only wants immigrants to be assimilated & assimilation to be encouraged. such as the Germans, Irish, French, Italian, etc.. have assimilated.

youngbuck
08-12-2009, 02:09 PM
I am so sick of hearing about race this, race that. As it's known, racism is the most primitive form of collectivism.

BlackTerrel
08-12-2009, 04:59 PM
Even if he makes sense he should be ignored? Just because he's a racist? I'm not saying Pat is or isn't a racist. But you imply that if he is indeed a racist then that means everything he says should be ignored as wrong. Isn't that what you're saying Terrel?

I was replying to someone who said that Pat should run for President. I wouldn't vote for him and I imagine he wouldn't do very well if he did.

And I'd ignore rantings of a racist just like I'd ignore the rantings of a pedophile. But that's just me.

Flash
08-12-2009, 05:01 PM
There's no proof he's a racist. That's Leftist propaganda. Like I said, he believes in assimilation for immigrants.

Pericles
08-12-2009, 05:14 PM
I was replying to someone who said that Pat should run for President. I wouldn't vote for him and I imagine he wouldn't do very well if he did.

And I'd ignore rantings of a racist just like I'd ignore the rantings of a pedophile. But that's just me.

He was the Reform Party candidate in 2000, and got less than 500,000 votes.

devil21
08-12-2009, 10:06 PM
I was replying to someone who said that Pat should run for President. I wouldn't vote for him and I imagine he wouldn't do very well if he did.

So even if he was right on pretty much everything you'd still not vote for him if you felt he was a racist. Do you feel the same way about Ron Paul? Remember that the media painted him as a racist, yet he's right on pretty much everything. How do you distinguish one example from the other?



And I'd ignore rantings of a racist just like I'd ignore the rantings of a pedophile. But that's just me.

So your answer to my original question is indeed yes, you ignore people regardless of the truth they speak, if you feel they are not perfect human beings. Gotcha. How do you ever decide who to vote for in an election then? I certainly would challenge you to show me a perfect politician. Do you pick based on something important like the color of their skin? ;)

BlackTerrel
08-13-2009, 02:09 AM
There's no proof he's a racist. That's Leftist propaganda. Like I said, he believes in assimilation for immigrants.

Read his books or listen to him on the air. There's no doubt.


He was the Reform Party candidate in 2000, and got less than 500,000 votes.

Yep. Sounds about right.

BlackTerrel
08-13-2009, 02:13 AM
So even if he was right on pretty much everything you'd still not vote for him if you felt he was a racist.

Dude are you serious or what? No, I wouldn't vote for a person who hates black people even if he was really cool otherwise. Is that really that shocking?


Do you feel the same way about Ron Paul? Remember that the media painted him as a racist, yet he's right on pretty much everything. How do you distinguish one example from the other?

Not even close and you know it. RP's record speaks for itself. The man is 100% against racism (though I can't say the same for a number of people who post here). As far as the media painting him as racist, I don't believe that was the majority view.

devil21
08-13-2009, 04:43 AM
Dude are you serious or what? No, I wouldn't vote for a person who hates black people even if he was really cool otherwise. Is that really that shocking?

Not even close and you know it. RP's record speaks for itself. The man is 100% against racism (though I can't say the same for a number of people who post here). As far as the media painting him as racist, I don't believe that was the majority view.

If I may quote someone else:



Stop bumping this thread, go make a post that isn't race related for once.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=2106898&postcount=69

Btw, do racists only hate black people? You seem to think racism=hate for blacks. I never said anything about black people. You did. Why is that?

AuH20
08-13-2009, 08:05 AM
There's no proof he's a racist. That's Leftist propaganda. Like I said, he believes in assimilation for immigrants.

Pat may be an insensitive cultural supremacist but he's no racist.

Krugerrand
08-13-2009, 08:14 AM
Pat may be an insensitive cultural supremacist but he's no racist.

I agree ... Yet, he may even be more of cultural protectionist than a cultural supremacist.

BlackTerrel
08-13-2009, 12:52 PM
If I may quote someone else:

Good one. When a thread is made praising a guy who is racist my posts will be race related. Funny how that works.


Btw, do racists only hate black people? You seem to think racism=hate for blacks. I never said anything about black people. You did. Why is that?

:rolleyes:

Flash
08-13-2009, 02:25 PM
Read his books or listen to him on the air. There's no doubt.

I read Death of the West it wasn't so bad. It was more about culture than race. I think he would accept Hispanics if they wanted to assimilate, and I think most will assimilate eventually. It's just taking in too much immigrants, legal & illegal, is cultural suicide. And the Democratic Party wants it because they need the votes.

devil21
08-13-2009, 04:54 PM
Good one. When a thread is made praising a guy who is racist my posts will be race related. Funny how that works.

Uh, you're the only one calling him a racist here and you haven't made any attempts to refute the contents of his writing that the thread was about. Funny how that works.



:rolleyes:

Don't have an answer for that, do ya? No one mentioned racism or blacks in this thread except you. Seriously, what is it with you and injecting the race issue wherever you can on this forum? It really is all you post about. Don't you know that you're the racist when all you care about is pointing out people's ethnic differences at every opportunity? You fuel racism, not fight it.

BlackTerrel
08-13-2009, 07:11 PM
Don't have an answer for that, do ya? No one mentioned racism or blacks in this thread except you. Seriously, what is it with you and injecting the race issue wherever you can on this forum? It really is all you post about. Don't you know that you're the racist when all you care about is pointing out people's ethnic differences at every opportunity? You fuel racism, not fight it.

Look at the title of this thread and tell me with a straight face it wasn't about race until I showed up.

devil21
08-13-2009, 09:31 PM
Look at the title of this thread and tell me with a straight face it wasn't about race until I showed up.

Did you even read the article or only pay attention to the thread title and think "Race issue! Gotta post calling Buchanan a racist! Now what's the article about?" The article is actually the exact opposite of what you said above. Buchanan is countering the picture that the media is trying to paint that all the people against socialist medicine are "Angry White Men". Most conservatives are in fact white, male and yes, they're getting angry. That's not a racial issue. The final sentence in the article is the only mention of "racism" in the entire write-up. So then you jump in to call Buchanan a racist and actually proved his point that it's the only counter argument that liberals can muster.

"Oh yeah? Well you're a racist!"

Flash
08-13-2009, 10:23 PM
Ed on his MSNBC show yesterday used the phrase "Angry old white men" to describe the Town Hall protestors.

devil21
08-14-2009, 12:18 AM
Ed on his MSNBC show yesterday used the phrase "Angry old white men" to describe the Town Hall protestors.

They're trying desperately to frame it as all racist conservatives (old white angry men) that are only against socialist healthcare because Obama is a young black man. It's simply not true but that's how they work to keep people divided, instead of everyone coming together and looking at the issue logically. People like Terrel only make the problem worse by bringing up race or calling people racist whenever they sense that someone isn't falling for it. It's the same tactic as crying "anti-semite", "homophobe", etc to act as a think-stopper and stop all rational discussion. It just serves to keep people divided into groups that are pitted against each other instead of pitted against the people pulling the strings above. The average American can only hate one different group at a time effectively, so keep them hating other Americans and you can do anything you want.

STAND-or-fall
08-14-2009, 01:21 AM
Yep. You get it. Some people just can't see past that chip on their shoulder. Most of them don't even know where the chip came from. Cultural momentum I guess.

BlackTerrel
08-14-2009, 03:06 AM
Did you even read the article or only pay attention to the thread title and think "Race issue!

Yes I read the article. It is about race. He breaks down Obama's approval by race, he talks about Hispanics gaining jobs while others lose jobs etc... That's fine, it's perfectly legitimate to talk about race and I even think it's good to promote dialog and talk about the issues.

The problem is that Buchanan is a racist. And I don't want to hear it from him. Put it this way - I would never promote an article by Louis Farrakhan entitled "Angry Black Men" even if it was about puppies.

I'd also question why Libertarians would want to associate with this guy. He's one a of a dying breed and has absolutely no support among young people of any race. How did he do last time he ran for office again?

devil21
08-14-2009, 04:40 PM
There's a big difference between "associating" and "not villifying". Few here would villify Buchanan because he speaks much truth on issues important to conservatives. My whole point on this thread was that just because someone may feel he's a racist doesn't mean he's wrong and should be summarily dismissed. You've tried to show a causal relationship between the two that just doesn't exist.