RED ALERT: Pentagon seizing emergency powers from States

[tron paul]

OH HELL NO


http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/governors-oppose-dod-emergency-powers-2009-08-10.html

Governors oppose DoD emergency powers
By Reid Wilson
Posted: 08/10/09 11:42 AM [ET]
A bipartisan pair of governors is opposing a new Defense Department proposal to handle natural and terrorism-related disasters, contending that a murky chain of command could lead to more problems than solutions.

Vermont Gov. Jim Douglas (R), chairman of the National Governors Association, and Vice Chairman Gov. Joe Manchin (D) of West Virginia penned a letter opposing the Pentagon proposal, which they said would hinder a state's effort to respond to a disaster.

Current law gives governors control over National Guard forces in their own states as well as any Guard units and Defense Department personnel imported from other states.

The letter comes as the Pentagon proposes a legislative fix that would give the secretary of Defense the authority to assist in response to domestic disasters and, consequently, control over units stationed in an affected state.

"We are concerned that the legislative proposal you discuss in your letter would invite confusion on critical command and control issues, complicate interagency planning, establish stove-piped response efforts, and interfere with governors’ constitutional responsibilities to ensure the safety and security of their citizens," Douglas and Manchin wrote to Paul Stockton, assistant secretary of Defense for Homeland Defense and America's Security Affairs.

"One of the key lessons learned from the response to the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and to Hurricanes Katrina and Rita in 2005 was the need for clear chains of command to avoid duplication of effort and to ensure the most effective use of response resources," the governors wrote.

Though the Pentagon has said the legislative fix would increase the number of Defense Department personnel available to respond to disasters, Douglas and Manchin expressed skepticism, arguing that current law already allows the Pentagon to order personnel to key areas inside the U.S.

A similar fix was removed from the Defense Department appropriation measure in conference committee for fiscal 2009.

A Pentagon spokesman did not immediately return a phone call seeking comment.

They must pay for this attempted power grab; I want to see bloody stumps where careers used to be. A SEVERE lesson needs to be taught to these TRAITORS TO THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION.

The Governors and their National Guards are on our side, they don't want any Katrina-on-steroids type solutions imposed on their citizens!

This trail balloon needs to be taken down, fast and hard.

[Romulus]

oh hell know is right... they are trying to get some ducks in a row for something.

[Kylie]

WTF?

Do they really think we are this stupid?



Don't answer that, it'll only piss me off more.

[Sandra]

I'll bet this might make even Cali mull secession. If the big one hits, that will end it's sovereignty.

[pcosmar]

WTF?

Do they really think we are this stupid?



Don't answer that, it'll only piss me off more.
Yes they think we are stupid, and harmless.

I can't be any more pissed off.

Just don't get stupid in anger.

Calm and rational,
Prepare for it, and wait.

[tron paul]

They're trying to goad us into doing something stupid and overplaying our hand.

Like what happened to Obama with his health care fiasco.

[HOLLYWOOD]

Bit by bit they chip away at the laws and liberties, especially under Rahm Emanuel's, "Always take advantage of a Crisis." Dubya/Cheney were just as bad.


Posse Comitatus Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

The Posse Comitatus Act is a United States federal law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_law) (18 U.S.C. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_18_of_the_United_States_Code) § 1385 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/1385.html)) passed on June 18 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_18), 1878 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1878), after the end of Reconstruction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconstruction_era_of_the_United_States), with the intention (in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurrection_Act)) of substantially limiting the powers of the federal government to use the military for law enforcement. The Act prohibits most members of the federal uniformed services (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniformed_services_of_the_United_States) (today the Army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army), Air Force (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Air_Force), and State National Guard forces (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Guard_of_the_United_States) when such are called into federal service) from exercising nominally state law enforcement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_agency_powers), police (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police), or peace officer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_officer) powers that maintain "law and order (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_and_order_%28politics%29)" on non-federal property (states and their counties and municipal divisions) within the United States.
The statute generally prohibits federal military personnel and units of the National Guard under federal authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within the United States, except where expressly authorized by the Constitution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Constitution) or Congress (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Congress). The Coast Guard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Coast_Guard) is exempt from the Act during peacetime.

[demolama]

National Guard soldiers are federally funded and when federally activated are in control of the President.... the President can and has on several occasions went over the heads of governors to use the guard.

Do not confuse the state militia with National Guard. The Guard was created by the Dick Act of 1903 in response to state ran militias who could not and often refused on many occasions to be used by the President to invade other countries. They were defensive units only. The removal of the defensive nature was further buffed with the National Defense Act of 1916, which merged the National Guard, Reserves with the regular Army to create the "one Army" concept.

The militia were a defensive tool used for both military defense in case of invasion and for use in civil needs. With the growing imperial dream of the Spanish American war, the need for a militia to be the back up of the regular army was needed to continue into other countries. Can't have imperial glory with militias who refused to invade Cuba. With the rise of police forces the need for the militia for civil actions were lessened.

The idea of federal power being superior destroyed the state militias. We can thank the outcome of the civil war and the uninterrupted years of republican control during reconstruction. There is no defense against federal power when the feds control, train, and fund the very thing that replaced the militia -- who were the defense of the state.

[phill4paul]

Time for all governors, and their states, to get rolling on adoption of sovereignty bills. This is the perfect opportunity for states to stop the leviathan dead in it's tracks.

It is time to coordinate w/ those you know to contact your governor and find out if they are made of the right mettle to shirk the dangling carrot of the federal governments cart wagon and say this is the line in the sand.

THIS IS THE LINE IN THE SAND!

[tron paul]

All 50 states should pass an Amendment moving the capital to Anchorage Alaska. Make it a pain for them to meet and pester us with Regulations.

Give DC the same status as the US Virgin Islands, unincorporated United States territory.

[Michigan11]

oh hell know is right... they are trying to get some ducks in a row for something.

My feelings as well. Everything is sure pointing in that direction.

[Nirvikalpa]

Though the Pentagon has said the legislative fix would increase the number of Defense Department personnel available to respond to disasters, Douglas and Manchin expressed skepticism, arguing that current law already allows the Pentagon to order personnel to key areas inside the U.S.


There is no defense against federal power when the feds control, train, and fund the very thing that replaced the militia -- who were the defense of the state.

Which it is why it is especially important to protect and support the 2nd amendment.

Scary stuff. I never thought a few years ago I would be growing up and witnessing the downfall and destruction of this country.

[catdd]

They want to steal the National Guard from the states and it needs to be shot down immediately.

[pcosmar]

31E - INTERNMENT / RESETTLEMENT SPECIALIST
Description

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In the Guard, you get the training from us, serve in your own community,

Doesn't that just give you a "warm and fuzzy" feeling. :(

[youngbuck]

Vertical consolidation as usual :mad:

[werdd]

Nullification plz.

Remember what obamas role model ole' honest abe did when a state nullified federal tyranny.

;).

Imagine, 150 years later, and supporters of states rights and the constitution would still be labeled racist.

[phill4paul]

Friggen Bumpage....:mad:

[phill4paul]

Another bump. This is exactly the question to ask to your governor! "Are you willing to surrender your role as the elected leader of my state to the the federal government? "
Governors have caved in heart and soul to the dangling carrots of highway funds..etc. etc...
Are they willing to admit that they are in truth ineffectual. That should a catastrophe happen they are incapable of handling and coordinating events within their state as is their role?
If they are then we should just have a federal state czar govern our state. Let your governor hear this people. They cave in every day to government mandates so they can slough from the trough!
Shame them in to challenging this one.
The good thing is it is a bi-partisan challenge!

[LittleLightShining]

Wow. Good on Douglas.

[moostraks]

Nullification plz.

Remember what obamas role model ole' honest abe did when a state nullified federal tyranny.

;).

Imagine, 150 years later, and supporters of states rights and the constitution would still be labeled racist.

Ironic,ain't it?

[AdamT]

IMO they know something bad is coming. False flag anyone?

[Romulus]

IMO they know something bad is coming. False flag anyone?

yep... antenna's up.