Support Marco Rubio

[Bucjason]

We need to get behind this guy . It's important that he wins the FLorida senate seat over Charlie Crist , who is a RINO in the mold of Lindsay Graham or John McCain.

Rubio has been endorsed by Jim DiMint , and is the type of libertarian-leaning conservative we should support.

YouTube - Marco Rubio: Rising Star and Republican Answer to Barack Obama (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w5OBKAMqK8&feature=channel)

[erowe1]

I can't possibly agree. Rubio has given us no reason whatsoever to believe he's the slightest bit better than Crist. I'm no Crist fan. But he was rated the single best fiscal conservative of all 50 governors by the Cato Institute in 2008. Rubio has not taken any good solid constitutionalist stands on any issues. There is no reason to call him a "libertarian" as you say. His entire conservative reputation is based on myth. He's Florida's verion of Pat Toomey.

If I were in Florida my support would go to Bob Smith. At any rate, Rubio is definitely not someone for the Ron Paul movement to support as a movement in a nationwide push the way we do Rand, Schiff, and others.. If you want to support him personally that's up to you.

Here's are a couple honest questions, and I mean no offense by them. Who did you vote for in the 2008 primaries? And who did you vote for in the general election? I remember you talking about how great you think Reagan was, also Mark Levin. And I see you only have 75 posts. Are you really a Ron Paul supporter, or just some mainstream Republican who thinks you support smaller government when you really don't? Also, can you give any specific positions Rubio takes that you think make him so great?

I don't begrudge you the right to be more of a mainstream Republican than most other RP supporters, btw. That's where I was before I started listening to him during the 2008 campaign. I just want to know where you're coming from. And I can't help thinking that it's at least possible that your whole reason for being here is as a shill for Rubio.

[Endgame]

I think what we need are more candidates period. We have... maybe five that I'm aware of in the entire nation. Every single C4L chapter should be trying to influence the primaries in their area.

[Bucjason]

I can't possibly agree. Rubio has given us no reason whatsoever to believe he's the slightest bit better than Crist. I'm no Crist fan. But he was rated the single best fiscal conservative of all 50 governors by the Cato Institute in 2008. Rubio has not taken any good solid constitutionalist stands on any issues. There is no reason to call him a "libertarian" as you say. His entire conservative reputation is based on myth. He's Florida's verion of Pat Toomey.

If I were in Florida my support would go to Bob Smith. At any rate, Rubio is definitely not someone for the Ron Paul movement to support as a movement in a nationwide push the way we do Rand, Schiff, and others.. If you want to support him personally that's up to you.

Here's are a couple honest questions, and I mean no offense by them. Who did you vote for in the 2008 primaries? And who did you vote for in the general election? I remember you talking about how great you think Reagan was, also Mark Levin. And I see you only have 75 posts. Are you really a Ron Paul supporter, or just some mainstream Republican who thinks you support smaller government when you really don't? Also, can you give any specific positions Rubio takes that you think make him so great?

I don't begrudge you the right to be more of a mainstream Republican than most other RP supporters, btw. That's where I was before I started listening to him during the 2008 campaign. I just want to know where you're coming from. And I can't help thinking that it's at least possible that your whole reason for being here is as a shill for Rubio.

I'm not a Rubio shill. I just started reseaching him lately because I hate Crist , and have found he is a much better promoter of liberty and limited government.

I voted for Ron Paul in the primary, and I voted for John McCain in the general. I only voted for McCain because it was the lesser of two evils , and I knew if Obama won ,we'd be going through EXACTLY what we are going through today.

No candidates are perfect , even Ron paul. Many people claim Ron Paul is a racist , etc, and use those letters he signed as thier proof. You can find critisisms of ANYONE. My goal is to get the best candidates possible elected, and then go from there.

To say Rubio is no better than Crist is ridiculous , and not true. It's people with pessimistic attitudes like yours that got us stuck with a Socialist Tyrant like King Barry. As shitty as McCain is , I'd much rather have him at this point. Stop being so damn stubborn. :rolleyes:

[erowe1]

To say Rubio is no better than Crist is ridiculous , and not true.

Ok. Back that up with evidence in the form of specific positions they take on how they will vote in the Senate where Rubio is clearly better please. Talk is cheap, and being "a much better promoter of liberty and limited government" in word only is irrelevant. Even such big government proponents as Bush and Romney (and yes, Crist) do that. Moreover, I don't even see how Rubio is even a good promoter of liberty and limited government even in word only to begin with. He comes across to me as a typical establishment big-government Republican.

[Bucjason]

Ok. Back that up with evidence in the form of specific positions they take on how they will vote in the Senate where Rubio is clearly better please. Talk is cheap, and being "a much better promoter of liberty and limited government" in word only is irrelevant.


I can't prove it , all I can do is listen to his words , and choose to believe him or not.

I choose to believe him , you choose to be pessimistic and hand the seat to the moron Chucky Crist by default , and we ALL know where he stands. So congrats on accomplishing nothing for our cause...

[erowe1]

I can't prove it , all I can do is listen to his words , and choose to believe him or not.

I choose to believe him , you choose to be pessimistic and hand the seat to the moron Chucky Crist by default , and we ALL know where he stands. So congrats on accomplishing nothing for our cause...

I don't live in Florida. But if I did, I would see no reason to believe Crist is worse than Rubio. At least with Crist I have something to go on besides his words (such as this: http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-624.pdf ). But with Rubio I have nothing at all, not even words, except in vague abstractions of conservative concepts that don't differ from the vague abstractions of conservative concepts I get from Crist or any other Republican. I haven't seen a single commitment to how he will vote as a senator from Rubio that tells me how I can expect him to be better than Crist. His supporters seem to be just people blown around by the conservative label the MSM keeps giving him. Why give him such an easy time getting your support? Why not demand something from him? Make him stick his neck out and promise to support something that shows how he's better than Crist?

If Rubio won't do that, then I don't see any reason not to vote for a constitutionalist like Bob Smith, and if that results in Crist getting the nomination, then so be it, he's no worse than Rubio. If you voted for RP in the 2008 primary, then you should have no problem with getting behind someone the MSM says doesn't stand a chance.

Or is there something I'm missing about Rubio? Do you have any evidence at all that he's less bad than Crist?

Even if it his just his words that won you over, can you give some quotes? What exact words are so persuasive to you of his commitment to reducing government being better than Crist's?

[Bucjason]

"The sad thing is the more you read aboot Marco Rubio the more you realize what a great candidate he would be and the stronger the desire is to kick NRSC Chair John Cornyn square in the nuts. Case in point: 100 Ideas. When Rubio was the Florida Speaker of the House, he travelled across the state holding what he called “Idea-raisers,” town hall meetings where the people of Florida got to express what their concerns were and what they wanted out of their government. He collected the top 100 into a book called “100 Innovative Ideas for Florida’s Future.”

Have you heard the media claim the GOP is bereft of ideas? Do you sometimes feel yourself agreeing with them, especially when the NRSC endorses a candidate who says he’ll be “just like Arlen Specter?” Marco Rubio, with the help of the people of Florida, has at least 100 of them, as was highlighted recently on Slate.com…


One-third of the suggestions deal with education, pushing policies that reward good teachers, punish bad ones, and incentivize academic success (Nos. 1-33). Rubio also offers up the standard free-market fare: expand access to private health care (Nos. 86-89), require a supermajority vote to raise taxes (No. 94), and make it harder to file tort claims (No. 92). Then there are the expected law-and-order provisions, like limiting the time convicted felons have to appeal their sentences (No. 46) and keeping sex offenders locked up for life (No. 39).

Some ideas do stand out as novel. Rubio proposes free parking or reduced tolls for hybrid cars (No. 76). He wants the state government to have a highly fuel-efficient fleet of cars (No. 77). He proposes cutting tuition for students who pursue careers that are experiencing shortages, like math, science, nursing, engineering, and teaching (No. 26). (Jeb Bush tossed out this idea at the first meeting of Cantor’s National Council for a New America in Arlington, Va., earlier this month. Bush also blurbed Rubio’s book.)

Rubio shares many goals of many liberals and moderates—better schools, safer streets, healthier children—but insists on market-based incentives to get there. Some of his proposals could even be part of an Obama platform, until you see the “how.” "


So , he prefers Free market solutions to everything. That ALONE makes him better than Crist.

I will look into Bob Smith if he is a constitutionalist like you say. The election is still a long ways away.

[TCE]

"The sad thing is the more you read aboot Marco Rubio the more you realize what a great candidate he would be and the stronger the desire is to kick NRSC Chair John Cornyn square in the nuts. Case in point: 100 Ideas. When Rubio was the Florida Speaker of the House, he travelled across the state holding what he called “Idea-raisers,” town hall meetings where the people of Florida got to express what their concerns were and what they wanted out of their government. He collected the top 100 into a book called “100 Innovative Ideas for Florida’s Future.”

Have you heard the media claim the GOP is bereft of ideas? Do you sometimes feel yourself agreeing with them, especially when the NRSC endorses a candidate who says he’ll be “just like Arlen Specter?” Marco Rubio, with the help of the people of Florida, has at least 100 of them, as was highlighted recently on Slate.com…


One-third of the suggestions deal with education, pushing policies that reward good teachers, punish bad ones, and incentivize academic success (Nos. 1-33). Rubio also offers up the standard free-market fare: expand access to private health care (Nos. 86-89), require a supermajority vote to raise taxes (No. 94), and make it harder to file tort claims (No. 92). Then there are the expected law-and-order provisions, like limiting the time convicted felons have to appeal their sentences (No. 46) and keeping sex offenders locked up for life (No. 39).

Some ideas do stand out as novel. Rubio proposes free parking or reduced tolls for hybrid cars (No. 76). He wants the state government to have a highly fuel-efficient fleet of cars (No. 77). He proposes cutting tuition for students who pursue careers that are experiencing shortages, like math, science, nursing, engineering, and teaching (No. 26). (Jeb Bush tossed out this idea at the first meeting of Cantor’s National Council for a New America in Arlington, Va., earlier this month. Bush also blurbed Rubio’s book.)

Rubio shares many goals of many liberals and moderates—better schools, safer streets, healthier children—but insists on market-based incentives to get there. Some of his proposals could even be part of an Obama platform, until you see the “how.” "


So , he prefers Free market solutions to everything. That ALONE makes him better than Crist.

I will look into Bob Smith if he is a constitutionalist like you say. The election is still a long ways away.

We should all be very leery of the positions you posted. All of those positions are standard for Neo-Cons. Libertarians want the government OUT of all those things, not "allowing more access to private healthcare." That just means keeping the current system, which is terrible.

And, if you believe what a politician says, then you should love this guy:

YouTube - The George Bush You Forgot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9SOVzMV2bc)

[angelatc]

"The sad thing is the more you read aboot Marco Rubio the more you realize what a great candidate he would be and the stronger the desire is to kick NRSC Chair John Cornyn square in the nuts. Case in point: 100 Ideas. When Rubio was the Florida Speaker of the House, he travelled across the state holding what he called “Idea-raisers,” town hall meetings where the people of Florida got to express what their concerns were and what they wanted out of their government. He collected the top 100 into a book called “100 Innovative Ideas for Florida’s Future.”

I appreciate what you're doing. My husband used to drink with Crist back in our St. Petersburg days, and he still wouldn't vote for him if we still lived there.

The Democrats were salivating yesterday, thinking that perhaps Crist would appoint himself to the Martinez seat and then switch parties.

We have to do better than that. I can't vote for him, but we did donate to him.

Just ignore the nay-sayers here.

[erowe1]

"The sad thing is the more you read aboot Marco Rubio the more you realize what a great candidate he would be and the stronger the desire is to kick NRSC Chair John Cornyn square in the nuts. Case in point: 100 Ideas. When Rubio was the Florida Speaker of the House, he travelled across the state holding what he called “Idea-raisers,” town hall meetings where the people of Florida got to express what their concerns were and what they wanted out of their government. He collected the top 100 into a book called “100 Innovative Ideas for Florida’s Future.”

Have you heard the media claim the GOP is bereft of ideas? Do you sometimes feel yourself agreeing with them, especially when the NRSC endorses a candidate who says he’ll be “just like Arlen Specter?” Marco Rubio, with the help of the people of Florida, has at least 100 of them, as was highlighted recently on Slate.com…


One-third of the suggestions deal with education, pushing policies that reward good teachers, punish bad ones, and incentivize academic success (Nos. 1-33). Rubio also offers up the standard free-market fare: expand access to private health care (Nos. 86-89), require a supermajority vote to raise taxes (No. 94), and make it harder to file tort claims (No. 92). Then there are the expected law-and-order provisions, like limiting the time convicted felons have to appeal their sentences (No. 46) and keeping sex offenders locked up for life (No. 39).

Some ideas do stand out as novel. Rubio proposes free parking or reduced tolls for hybrid cars (No. 76). He wants the state government to have a highly fuel-efficient fleet of cars (No. 77). He proposes cutting tuition for students who pursue careers that are experiencing shortages, like math, science, nursing, engineering, and teaching (No. 26). (Jeb Bush tossed out this idea at the first meeting of Cantor’s National Council for a New America in Arlington, Va., earlier this month. Bush also blurbed Rubio’s book.)

Rubio shares many goals of many liberals and moderates—better schools, safer streets, healthier children—but insists on market-based incentives to get there. Some of his proposals could even be part of an Obama platform, until you see the “how.” "


So , he prefers Free market solutions to everything. That ALONE makes him better than Crist.

I will look into Bob Smith if he is a constitutionalist like you say. The election is still a long ways away.

So I asked for evidence of his small government credentials and you give me a laundry list of big government proposals? Those are not free market solutions. Free markets are markets that are free of the government trying to centrally manage what people do with their money, such as what kinds of cars they drive, how kids are educated, or what careers people go into. Everything on that list is anti-free market, pro-big government. I see very few things on it that I agree with or that Ron Paul supports either. Republicans used that same line to defend Bush's prescription drug plan, which is now the single biggest piece of our unfunded future liabilities, bigger even than Social Security, "Oh, but we used conservative philosophy to do it, by including competition." The guy saying that Rubio would be a thorn in John Cornyn's side is clearly wrong. Cornyn would positively adore Rubio. Thanks for proving my case for me. Rubio has no potential of being part of the solution, he exemplifies the very problem that Ron Paul Republicans are working to fix.

Edit: As an additional supporting point, I found where you copied that blurb from, this blog: http://johnbrodigan.com . To get an idea of the mindset of the person who thinks those ideas are just what the GOP needs, other politicians whose ideas that blogger loves are Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich, Paul Ryan, and Karl Rove. Somehow he also liked Mark Sanford, I'm guessing either on accident or as a way of including a genuine fiscal conservative as a token.

[james1906]

One-third of the suggestions deal with education, pushing policies that reward good teachers, punish bad ones, and incentivize academic success (Nos. 1-33). Rubio also offers up the standard free-market fare: expand access to private health care (Nos. 86-89), require a supermajority vote to raise taxes (No. 94), and make it harder to file tort claims (No. 92). Then there are the expected law-and-order provisions, like limiting the time convicted felons have to appeal their sentences (No. 46) and keeping sex offenders locked up for life (No. 39).

Some ideas do stand out as novel. Rubio proposes free parking or reduced tolls for hybrid cars (No. 76). He wants the state government to have a highly fuel-efficient fleet of cars (No. 77). He proposes cutting tuition for students who pursue careers that are experiencing shortages, like math, science, nursing, engineering, and teaching (No. 26). (Jeb Bush tossed out this idea at the first meeting of Cantor’s National Council for a New America in Arlington, Va., earlier this month. Bush also blurbed Rubio’s book.)

A lot of these are vague GOP talking points. How do you determine who is a good teacher? How do you expand access to private health care? The free market has done that by putting medical offices in grocery stores. What will the government do to expand it? I agree with the supermajority. As for tort claims, what about legitimate things where an employee was genuinely screwed by their employer and has no money to push a case? Not all tort cases are bullshit. Why shouldn't felons be allowed to appeal their sentences? There's plenty of non violent offenders out there that need to stop being wards of state and get back to contributing to society. Sex offenders locked up forever? Does this include a 19 year old who has sex with a 15 year old?

Free parking or reduced tolls for hybrid cars? Just another subsidy for those rich enough to own a hybrid. Where's the free parking for the working class man who buys a clunker for $1000 and keeps it out of the wrecking yard? State government fleet shouldn't set environmental policy, only get hybrids if it is cost efficient. Cutting tuition for real majors could be cost effective in the long run, but how about cutting bullshit majors as well?

[Bucjason]

Your critisism's are duely noted.


The election is a long ways away, so there is still time to get to know all these candidates much better.

In the end though , my goal is to defeat Crist . If that forces me to vote for a lesser of two evils again, I will do so.

Sometimes the message you send by defeating an establishment candidate is worth the cost alone, even if the guy that replaces him doesn't live up to his promises. The message is clear : RINO's with no backbone who don't stand on principles will not be tolerated.

[max]

Marco Rubio completed a fellowship at the notorious left wing Aspen Institute for Humanistic Studies....

He's a Soros puppet...

Class 0f 2007

[tonesforjonesbones]

I live in Florida and all I know is that the Florida GOP's are leaning towards Rubio and away from Crist who is a RINO. My town is backing RUBIO. He is the most conservative of any of them, not to mention that he's a latino and he's going to pull the hispanic vote if he runs. This is Florida and they are going to want to replace Martinez with another latino. That's just the facts. Real conservatives here are sick to death of Crist and his buddy Jim Greer...when Crist goes..Greer will go to. TOnes

[qh4dotcom]

Rubio's foreign policy sucks. I heard he's an interventionist.

Nevertheless he's much more conservative than Crist and wants to audit the Fed. I sent him $5 and I hope he wins.

[qh4dotcom]

I don't live in Florida. But if I did, I would see no reason to believe Crist is worse than Rubio.

Crist is responsible for Obama being elected. His endorsement of McCain two days before the Florida primary allowed McCain to win Florida and gave him momentum for Super Tuesday. And we all know McBush never had a chance to win.

Crist needs to go.

[free.alive]

I voted for Ron Paul in the primary, and I voted for John McCain in the general. I only voted for McCain because it was the lesser of two evils , and I knew if Obama won, we'd be going through EXACTLY what we are going through today.

...

To say Rubio is no better than Crist is ridiculous , and not true. It's people with pessimistic attitudes like yours that got us stuck with a Socialist Tyrant like King Barry. As shitty as McCain is , I'd much rather have him at this point. Stop being so damn stubborn. :rolleyes:


Here we go...

[Time for Change]

Not sure I care for the poster boy approach.
http://www.marcorubio.com/issues/
His website says many of the right things, but he is a politician after all, and we all know how that shit works.
I can’t wait for the opportunity to pick his brain.

Will rubio be the same as martinez and focus on latin issues dominantly?
martinez was more worried about his latino agenda than state issues.
Also consider the SOTO endorsement by martinez and rubios comment below

While her comments about the “better conclusions” a “wise Latina woman” would bring to the bench [B]are universally known, I have more specific concerns Not quite sure how to take that one.
Is he going to get in office and emulate a democrat like martinez?
Will he be working for the interest of all the citizens of the state and not just the cubans?
That’s the way it goes with most Cubans in politics and I am concerned to say the least.

It is bad enough that cubans are taking over south Florida and trying to force the Americans to embrace THEIR culture while arrogantly ignoring ours, but having another martinez in office calling himself a conservative ...

Looks like were damned if we do and damned if we don’t!


IMMIGRATION: “Legal immigration has been a great source of strength and prosperity for America, but I believe illegal immigration threatens the foundation of this system. If I had been in the Senate at the time, I would have opposed the McCain-Kennedy bill. I believe we must fix our immigration system by first securing the border, fixing the visa and entry process and opposing amnesty in any reform.”

Fact is that any other nationality washing on shore here, if found, will be detained and deported...unless they are cubans...
The cubans are permitted to stay if they can touch the sand.
Will he do away with that favoritism? Not likely.
Not likely to get a straight answer to that one either.

Luckily, as was stated before, there is a little time to sort some of this out, but not as much as we may need.

We are looking to support REAL liberty minded candidates.
People we have worked side by side with and know to be honest and sincere.