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dr. hfn
08-07-2009, 09:35 PM
His opponents were comfortable and sitting pretty. Then...Schiff launches his new site, reveals he has $464,000 already, and then reaches $700,000 in a Moneybomb.

They probably shat themselves! Ha! Take that!

gls
08-07-2009, 09:40 PM
Yeah and that money comes from U.S. citizens who want nothing but freedom in return, not corporate lobbyists who only donate with the expectation of later being granted political favors at the expense of the American people.

Matt Collins
08-07-2009, 09:53 PM
What does it take to win his primary?

tpreitzel
08-07-2009, 09:55 PM
What does it take to win his primary?

Who knows for sure, but $2M is probably minimum for the whole campaign.

MRoCkEd
08-07-2009, 09:56 PM
Amazing, simply amazing.

dr. hfn
08-07-2009, 09:56 PM
Who knows for sure, but $2M is probably minimum.

What?! Thats sounds way too high. Volunteers can make up for some of that money.

tpreitzel
08-07-2009, 09:59 PM
What?! Thats sounds way too high. Volunteers can make up for some of that money.

Sorry for the late edit ... I was referring to the WHOLE campaign including the primary.

gls
08-07-2009, 10:02 PM
What?! Thats sounds way too high. Volunteers can make up for some of that money.

Actually that number is way too low, if I had to guess I'd say to be competitive Schiff is going to need 5 million for the primary and another 15 for the general.

Remember Al Franken and Norm Coleman blew through 25 million each in their 2008 race. There's no reason to believe this will be any less expensive, especially considering half the campaign advertisements will need to be purchased in the New York City media market.

RonPaulVolunteer
08-07-2009, 10:07 PM
Actually that number is way too low, if I had to guess I'd say to be competitive Schiff is going to need 5 million for the primary and another 15 for the general.

Remember Al Franken and Norm Coleman blew through 25 million each in their 2008 race. There's no reason to believe this will be any less expensive, especially considering half the campaign advertisements will need to be purchased in the New York City media market.

I concur.

Austin
08-07-2009, 10:12 PM
Yeah this race will take at least 20 million.

amonasro
08-07-2009, 10:13 PM
Actually that number is way too low, if I had to guess I'd say to be competitive Schiff is going to need 5 million for the primary and another 15 for the general.

Remember Al Franken and Norm Coleman blew through 25 million each in their 2008 race. There's no reason to believe this will be any less expensive, especially considering half the campaign advertisements will need to be purchased in the New York City media market.

Schiff talked about this in a recent podcast and seemed a bit concerned, and frankly, he should be. It will cost a fortune to run competitively, and even more to win.

He says any money he raises, they will just raise more. The candidates now have the support of the GOP establishment and therefore powerful political and fundraising resources. If Dodd needs extra cash he can just organize a fundraising dinner with his corporate and special interest pals and have his own moneybomb. Schiff doesn't have this luxury.

tpreitzel
08-07-2009, 10:17 PM
Actually that number is way too low, if I had to guess I'd say to be competitive Schiff is going to need 5 million for the primary and another 15 for the general.

Remember Al Franken and Norm Coleman blew through 25 million each in their 2008 race. There's no reason to believe this will be any less expensive, especially considering half the campaign advertisements will need to be purchased in the New York City media market.

Honestly, I don't believe Peter would run if he thought the total bill would be much over $5M to be competitive. Personally, I don't think one can compare the potential campaign of Schiff with Franken or Coleman due to likely differences in approach and selection of media. I expect Peter's campaign would adopt an approach similar to Ron Paul. We'll see if frugality and intelligence wins over extravagance and stupidity.

Edit: In retrospect, the costs of recent congressional campaigns has risen significantly over the past 5 years so I'll adjust the minimum to $3M instead of $2M.

dr. hfn
08-07-2009, 10:19 PM
I think Schiff can run and win b/c he can win in debates, he's got the whole economics/prediction thing, and he can expose Dodd as a corporate puppet. When the people find out, they won't accept Dodd.

FSP-Rebel
08-07-2009, 10:19 PM
Grassroots activists will mean a lot in a small state like CT. It will look like support for Schiff is everywhere. We can hang with the money thing and can also play the underdog card if the disparity to too big. Make commercials focusing on Schiff being right about the economy, Dodd taking loads of lobbyist cash, and of Schiff being the only real conservative - then we should stay strong.

literatim
08-07-2009, 10:31 PM
The most expensive part would be Schiff vs Dodd, but by then Schiff would have support of the Republican party's ability to fundraise.

evilfunnystuff
08-07-2009, 10:41 PM
The most expensive part would be Schiff vs Dodd, but by then Schiff would have support of the Republican party's ability to fundraise.



my guess is...

goin against dodd will be more expensive but the primary will probly be harder by the time he wins the rep primary there will be huge support in place with massive moneybombs

Imperial
08-07-2009, 10:45 PM
Grassroots activists will mean a lot in a small state like CT. It will look like support for Schiff is everywhere. We can hang with the money thing and can also play the underdog card if the disparity to too big. Make commercials focusing on Schiff being right about the economy, Dodd taking loads of lobbyist cash, and of Schiff being the only real conservative - then we should stay strong.

That didn't work in New Jersey with Sabrin or Lonegan, especially the latter.

specsaregood
08-07-2009, 10:49 PM
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rajibo
08-07-2009, 10:51 PM
That didn't work in New Jersey with Sabrin or Lonegan, especially the latter.

Every time I manage to forget the frontrunner Sabrin, somebody comes along and brings back those memories...:mad:

specsaregood
08-07-2009, 11:04 PM
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evilfunnystuff
08-07-2009, 11:06 PM
Lonegan did surprisingly well all things considered. Don't underestimate the amount of Ron Paul/Constitutionalist support within the GOP here. It is growing and taking over positions within the party. I know of several very active Ron Paul supporters that are elected to party positions or actual offices. Of course, we have a long way to go and even then it is still NJ where Republicans are way outnumbered.

neither of them had near the amount of support shiff and rand will have

im real curious how kokesh will do hes got those Arizona guys from the 4409 rp meetup helpin him out and they do things big
YouTube - 4409 -- Coca-Cola sues 4409 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwkTOFHju04)

YouTube - 4409 -- Operation ASU lets's go all the way! PART 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_fa24RpDy0)

Gage
08-07-2009, 11:21 PM
Just out of curiosity, was any of this money that Schiff had loaned himself? Or is this only contributions from supporters?

Matt Collins
08-07-2009, 11:24 PM
The most expensive part would be Schiff vs Dodd, but by then Schiff would have support of the Republican party's ability to fundraise.Don't bet on it.


Here is how the GOP works.

They look at all of the races they have a chance of winning, and they dump everything they have there. All of the races which have less of a chance, get less attention. Unseating Dodd in his state is very hard to do, so my guess is that the GOP will get behind the low hanging fruit for that reason alone (not to mention that many in the GOP leadership would rather have a Democrat than a Ron Paul Republican in office).

surf
08-07-2009, 11:44 PM
how is Dodd viewed by connecticut folks? if i remember right - he's said a lot of dumb stuff over the past couple of years and - did he get word on the torture? did he vote for war? these are all things that the GOP may not embrace but they are positions that appeal to most democrats and humans in general.

gls
08-08-2009, 12:00 AM
how is Dodd viewed by connecticut folks? if i remember right - he's said a lot of dumb stuff over the past couple of years and - did he get word on the torture? did he vote for war? these are all things that the GOP may not embrace but they are positions that appeal to most democrats and humans in general.

Dodd is extremely vulnerable largely due to a long-running (and ongoing) mortgage scandal involving Countrywide Financial. Just today there was an article on the front page of the Hartford Courant that Dodd had been "cleared" by the "Senate Ethics Committee". I had a good laugh with my family over that one. No one is buying it. I think Dodd has already lost a majority of the independents and unless he can somehow get them back he loses the state. That is why it will be no easy feat for Schiff to win the CT GOP Senate nomination.

rajibo
08-08-2009, 12:02 AM
Where'd the balls go?:confused:

dr. hfn
08-08-2009, 12:07 AM
Where'd the balls go?:confused:

ya! If Schiff exposes how corrupt and unprincipled Dodd is he will win. Plus a good amount of money and many volunteers.

tpreitzel
08-08-2009, 12:10 AM
Where'd the balls go?:confused:

Only the shadow knows ... ;)

surf
08-08-2009, 01:16 PM
Dodd is extremely vulnerable largely due to a long-running (and ongoing) mortgage scandal involving Countrywide Financial. Just today there was an article on the front page of the Hartford Courant that Dodd had been "cleared" by the "Senate Ethics Committee". I had a good laugh with my family over that one. No one is buying it. I think Dodd has already lost a majority of the independents and unless he can somehow get them back he loses the state. That is why it will be no easy feat for Schiff to win the CT GOP Senate nomination.

i should know this... but is Dodd's seat on the GOP hit list for this election? hence, should Schiff win the primary he will be well supported (at least financially) by the national Rs?

edit: the Schiff campaign may want to focus on Ds in the primary season....

dr. hfn
08-08-2009, 01:21 PM
Should we try and get the GOP's support for Peter?

anaconda
08-08-2009, 01:22 PM
What?! Thats sounds way too high. Volunteers can make up for some of that money.

Heck, he's got $700K and we're not even out of exploratory committee time!

Everyone who donated to RP should do the same for Schiff. It shouldn't matter what district they're in. I mean, we're all loving that HR 1207 is hitting the fan in Congress but only a minority of us are Texans.

We should give Schiff a $4 million money bomb and seal the deal.

gls
08-08-2009, 01:23 PM
i should know this... but is Dodd's seat on the GOP hit list for this election? hence, should Schiff win the primary he will be well supported (at least financially) by the national Rs?

edit: the Schiff campaign may want to focus on Ds in the primary season....

It's hard to say. I wouldn't put much faith in the national Republican Party 'leadership' helping Schiff, even if he does win the primary. After all they want a candidate they can control.

Jeremy
08-08-2009, 01:24 PM
What?! Thats sounds way too high. Volunteers can make up for some of that money.

too high? I think Peter Schiff himself has said 20 million lol

now THAT is too high

koob
08-08-2009, 02:39 PM
I'm getting really excited about Schiff and Rand Paul running. I have been laying low this past year. I check Campaign for Liberty's website daily, but I never donated to any of the Paul supports running for congress or anything. But I donated to Schiff yesterday and I plan on donating to Rand Paul later this month.

I think these two have a shot. I have high hopes for Rand Paul's moneybomb. If supporters won't donate to Ron Paul's OWN SON. Then well. . . the revolution is. . . I don't want to think about it. :confused:

He Who Pawns
08-08-2009, 02:50 PM
Schiff needs the big bucks up front, for the primary. once he gets to the general, money will flood in. watch and see.

No1ButPaul08
08-08-2009, 03:47 PM
Schiff needs the big bucks up front, for the primary. once he gets to the general, money will flood in. watch and see.

I agree. If Schiff makes it through the primary he will see money come flooding in. The mainstream republicans will be forced to support him, not because they want to but because the GOP is struggling and will take anyone they can get. The CT seat is seen as winnable, and with the GOP sitting at 40 senators, they have no option but support him.

Not to mention the grassroots will be going strong and the fact this would be the most publicized race in the country.

He Who Pawns
08-08-2009, 03:52 PM
Peter is gonna need like 5 million for the primary. Hopefully he can kick in 2 million or more of his own money to get over that hump, then rely on fundraising for the primary.

Remember that Dr Paul barely raised any money until he started getting attention from the debates, etc.

dr. hfn
08-08-2009, 04:55 PM
Schiff I don't think will win debates unless he is given enoug time to explain himself. Sound bites won't work for him methinks.

Stary Hickory
08-08-2009, 05:01 PM
Who knows for sure, but $2M is probably minimum for the whole campaign.

You kidding only 2 million? Hell I think we can get Schiff double that. I thought he said he needed 20 MILLION. IF it's two million we can make that work.

jmlfod87
08-08-2009, 05:08 PM
The general isn't in the tough race where the money matters, the primary is. Dodd is extremely unpopular and has a good 55% chance of losing. If Schiff can secure the nomination Dodd will probably have a 65% chance of losing.

fr33domfightr
08-08-2009, 08:02 PM
Why would Schiff need so much money in Connecticut? It's a small state, nothing the size of Texas or California. How big is it, maybe twice the size of Rhode Island? I know Dodd could raise money and spend tons, but all those TV Ads are really going to piss off the people. I think some good debates could do wonders.



FF

specsaregood
08-08-2009, 08:12 PM
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tpreitzel
08-08-2009, 08:18 PM
You kidding only 2 million? Hell I think we can get Schiff double that. I thought he said he needed 20 MILLION. IF it's two million we can make that work.


FYI, I previously revised the minimum to $3M since I personally haven't looked at the costs for more than 5 years. Based on congressional averages during the 2000-2004 period, the minimum is probably closer to $4M now instead of $2M so I'll compromise at $3M. A campaign can spend as much as it raises, but it's not necessarily more effective than a campaign which doesn't raise as much. The tendency to waste it on staff, marginal ads, etc. comes with more resources. A lot of expense TV advertisements isn't really necessary to wage an effective congressional campaign, but intelligence and frugality is required so Peter should do fine. If Peter feels $20M is necessary, then so be it.

JAlli41
08-09-2009, 05:41 AM
You guys seem to be forgetting one thing. Inevitability. The reason Ron Paul never got support, is that everyone kept saying "you have no support." This time around if we make it seem like, well Peter Shiff got the housing bubble right. He new about the economic crisis before it happenned. Of course he is going to win CT. Then he will get support from the mainstream. People love voting for winners. Once people think he is just going to win, that's when he will start bringing in the big bucks. And CT is a very rich state, especially Western CT. and many of Shiff's free-market principles will go over well in that area. That is where Schiff's big money will come from. Our job has to be to make him inevitible from the get go and give him money up front.

mczerone
08-09-2009, 10:35 AM
Actually that number is way too low, if I had to guess I'd say to be competitive Schiff is going to need 5 million for the primary and another 15 for the general.

Remember Al Franken and Norm Coleman blew through 25 million each in their 2008 race. There's no reason to believe this will be any less expensive, especially considering half the campaign advertisements will need to be purchased in the New York City media market.

Schiff's primary is going to be the more important race, IMHO. Winning a plurality in a mixed field of options among only registered Republicans is going to take about $5M, I agree. However, the general may only take a little more after initial investments, as signs and ads may already be produced and campaign offices will already be organized and running.

dr. hfn
08-09-2009, 05:31 PM
we need to get started early...like now or we could risk losing. :eek:

Eric21ND
08-10-2009, 06:23 PM
Peter winnning the primary is our biggest challenge.

We need to hold massive voter drives so newbies can vote in the republican primary for Peter.

dr. hfn
08-10-2009, 06:45 PM
Kokesh, Rand, and Peter should have many similarities and many of the same policies. Kokesh has pledged to accept only the national average pay and donate the rest to a local chairty of his constituent's choosing. Rand has promised to never vote for an unbalanced budget and fight for term limits.

These three guys should adopt each other's best ideas and pledges.

He Who Pawns
08-10-2009, 06:57 PM
Don't try to compare Kokesh to Peter and Rand. Kokesh is not qualified to polish their shoes.

Rand and Peter are our top priority as a movement when it comes to upcoming races.