Everyone in the movement must read this!

[dr. hfn]

http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/12/christina-tobin-third-party-debates-what-happened/

[pacelli]

After serving as the National Ballot Access coordinator for the Ralph Nader campaign, I took a leave of absence from the campaign to partner with Trevor Lyman of Thirdpartyticket.com in the hopes of having a third party presidential debate.

Well that certainly explains it. ;) Trevor spread himself too thin during the campaign?

Here's another gem from the "must read":


I took a leave of absence from the campaign to organize these debates and, by the way, neither I nor the other person I was working with voted for Nader.

If this is required reading for everyone in the movement, then the "movement" must have been a bowel movement all along.

[torchbearer]

The guy who commented:

TheOriginalAndy // Dec 5, 2008 at 4:05 pm

“The Barr campaign failed to gain ballot access in any state it attempted, while the states that were handled by the Libertarian Party itself were mostly successful.”

This statement is misleading. The only state which the Barr campaign ran ballot access in directly was West Virginia. Most of the blame for failure in that state is the fault of Shane Cory, but decisions that were made by LP National (ie-Sean Haugh) adversely effected the ballot access effort in West Virginia.

LP National (mostly Sean Haugh) is directly responsible for screwing up ballot access in Connecticut, Maine, and Washington DC, and LP National along with the Barr campaign and the Louisiana LP screwed up Louisiana.


Doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about.
I saw first hand what happened in Louisiana.
Barr's campaign sent their qualification papers at the last moment- and sent them to the wrong office.
By the time they figured it out- it was at the deadline.
The Barr campaign contacted the LP central committee for the first at this point. (our guys had been trying to contact the Barr people with no luck.)
There was little time to get all the info together at this point, and thus, barr didn't make the ballot.

[Imperial]

Well that certainly explains it. ;) Trevor spread himself too thin during the campaign?

Here's another gem from the "must read":



If this is required reading for everyone in the movement, then the "movement" must have been a bowel movement all along.

What was so bad about what they said? Christina Tobin is great for exposing the two parties and she has worked hard to push freedom in this country.

BTW, IPR(http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com) and Ballot Access News(http://www.ballot-access.org) are both great websites to follow third party activity and relevant major party or judicial activity.

[dr. hfn]

we should hold a moneybomb for Free and Equal to meet their modest goal. Great organization!

[pacelli]

What was so bad about what they said? Christina Tobin is great for exposing the two parties and she has worked hard to push freedom in this country.

BTW, IPR(http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com) and Ballot Access News(http://www.ballot-access.org) are both great websites to follow third party activity and relevant major party or judicial activity.

Nothing at all was bad about what she said. She was giving a report. I just walked away from reading the report with the mindset that the self-sabotage involved in the third party movement is really beyond the National Press Club & talk-tough "play the victim" bandwagon. The astounding thing is that nothing is actually being done on a serious level to counter the self-sabotage. What would have happened if Mary Ruwart was chosen as the nominee for the LP over Bob Barr? Would she have gotten any more traction? Or was Barr's prick approach characteristic of every LP nominee? I think Ron Paul was aware of this when he chose to run as a republican (I still would have preferred Ruwart as LP nominee).

[dr. hfn]

If third parties got into the debates, there would be a political revolution.

[Imperial]

we should hold a moneybomb for Free and Equal to meet their modest goal. Great organization!

Definitely. But it needs to wait awhile. WE are too busy right now. Maybe in december or so.

[evilfunnystuff]

Definitely. But it needs to wait awhile. WE are too busy right now. Maybe in december or so.

im not sure about all the way to december but defiantly aftrer rands moneybomb