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qh4dotcom
08-06-2009, 09:27 PM
I've seen children holding signs at the protests...ask them if they think that little kids are "Mobsters"

specsaregood
08-06-2009, 09:33 PM
Well democracy is mob rule isn't it? So what's their objection exactly? That their mob isn't as big as the other guy's mob? I thought that was what democracy was all about.

BenIsForRon
08-06-2009, 09:36 PM
You can't pretend like there's not at least a little bit of astroturf going on.

YouTube - Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly on Town Hall Tea Parties, Bill Clinton and Obama (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qKp78nzMdA)

Chieftain1776
08-06-2009, 09:37 PM
Or point them to organized thuggery like this (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124276441945635993.html):

Mr. Marks's nonprofit organization, Neighborhood Assistance Corp. of America, has emerged as one of the loudest scourges of the banking industry in the post-bubble economy. It salts its Web site with photos of executives it accuses of standing in the way of helping homeowners -- emblazoning "Predator" across their photos, picturing their homes and sometimes including home phone numbers. In February, NACA, as it's called, protested at the home of a mortgage investor by scattering furniture on his lawn, to give him a taste of what it feels like to be evicted.

In the 1990s, Mr. Marks leaked details of a banker's divorce to the press and organized a protest at the school of another banker's child. He says he would use such tactics again. "We have to terrorize these bankers," Mr. Marks says.

This was done to private citizens by a registered tax-funded organization. Can you imagine the outrage if any individual did something like this to politician?

jsu718
08-06-2009, 09:37 PM
Just compare the people now to the anti-war people during the Bush administration. Were those all plants?

qh4dotcom
08-06-2009, 09:40 PM
Why hasn't anyone talked about calling little kids part of the mob?

jmdrake
08-06-2009, 09:53 PM
Why hasn't anyone talked about calling little kids part of the mob?

Won't help. They'll just say the protestors are exploiting their kids. John Stewart has already played that card. And i used to like him. :mad:

qh4dotcom
08-06-2009, 09:58 PM
Won't help. They'll just say the protestors are exploiting their kids. John Stewart has already played that card. And i used to like him. :mad:

If you request a Yes or No answer, first they will have to admit that kids are part of the mob. That'll be embarrasing.

BenIsForRon
08-06-2009, 10:10 PM
Yes, the kids are part of the mob. Their parents brought them there because Limbaugh told them to. Most of these people believe they're being active citizens, but they're actually just being pawns in a larger political game.

Sorry, truth hurts.

max
08-06-2009, 10:15 PM
the fact that GOP Congressmen who voted for Bush bailout and Cap n Trade, are not being protested shows that these people are unsophisticated GOP loyalists......

in a sense, these are GOP engineered mobs because FOX news and the radio hosts are giving it lots of attention...

qh4dotcom
08-06-2009, 10:22 PM
the fact that GOP Congressmen who voted for Bush bailout and Cap n Trade, are not being protested shows that these people are unsophisticated GOP loyalists......

in a sense, these are GOP engineered mobs because FOX news and the radio hosts are giving it lots of attention...

The thread is about little kids being part of the mob...please say if you agree with that or not.

BenIsForRon
08-06-2009, 10:31 PM
The thread is about little kids being part of the mob...please say if you agree with that or not.

I think this guy answered your question. He gave a pretty simple and concise answer.


Yes, the kids are part of the mob. Their parents brought them there because Limbaugh told them to. Most of these people believe they're being active citizens, but they're actually just being pawns in a larger political game.

Sorry, truth hurts.

qh4dotcom
08-06-2009, 10:36 PM
I think this guy answered your question. He gave a pretty simple and concise answer.

I read it...I wanted more opinions...and if the word "mob" wasn't used before and associated with protesting, then it shouldn't be used now.

BenIsForRon
08-06-2009, 11:05 PM
I read it...I wanted more opinions...and if the word "mob" wasn't used before and associated with protesting, then it shouldn't be used now.

Ok, your OP seemed a little emotional. We have to deal with this situation with reason. It's the same problem with the tea parties. This isn't some grassroots thing, its a ploy by clever members in the Republican party to rejuvenate the base, and it's working. It's going to hurt us in the long run if we don't harness it now...

Which seems impossible at this stage, so I think this will hurt us down the road. As in it will be harder to help these people see the light when they've already gone farther down the partisan rabbit hole.

pcosmar
08-06-2009, 11:53 PM
You can't pretend like there's not at least a little bit of astroturf going on.

You mean like this.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/06242009/postopinion/opedcolumnists/the_astroturf_drive_for_obamacare_175748.htm
Or this,
http://www.acornwatch.org/breaking-news/1186-whos-funding-the-obamacare-astroturf-campaign

If you believe the White House, there are 30 million Americans who support a government health care takeover. But if you look at the funding behind the Obamacare Astroturf campaign, it’s the same few Leftist billionaires, union bosses, and partisan community organizers pushing the socialized medicine agenda. Let’s connect the dots.

BenIsForRon
08-07-2009, 06:18 AM
You mean like this.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/06242009/postopinion/opedcolumnists/the_astroturf_drive_for_obamacare_175748.htm
Or this,
http://www.acornwatch.org/breaking-news/1186-whos-funding-the-obamacare-astroturf-campaign

Come on man, don't pretend like I'm an Obama supporter. Just because I'm not an anarcho-syndyco-minarcho-who gives a fuck doesn't mean I support Obama.

jmdrake
08-07-2009, 06:46 AM
Ok, your OP seemed a little emotional. We have to deal with this situation with reason. It's the same problem with the tea parties. This isn't some grassroots thing, its a ploy by clever members in the Republican party to rejuvenate the base, and it's working. It's going to hurt us in the long run if we don't harness it now...

Which seems impossible at this stage, so I think this will hurt us down the road. As in it will be harder to help these people see the light when they've already gone farther down the partisan rabbit hole.

The tea parties started off as a purely grassroots thing. The 9/11 truthers were doing it even before the Ron Paul campaign. I remember some on this forum complaining when Ron Paul supporters planned the event in Boston on the tea party anniversary only to find that the truthers event had already been planned a year in advance. Shills were saying "Make sure these truthers don't mess up our event" as if you can roll into someone else's turf and tell them how to behave. :rolleyes:

The answer to this is simple. Call (back) in the truthers. Carry signs saying "9/11 was an inside job" and "Bush did it." That'll scare off the neocons. The media will be forced between covering truthers (a favorite passtime of theirs) and trying to pretend the tea parties are some GOP controlled event. Extreme? Yes. But extreme times call for extreme measures. Of course the drawback is that could hurt our efforts to take over the GOP. Such a strategy would require discipline that most of us don't have. (Most folks don't know how effectively throw a rock and hide their hands.) Next best thing is to carry around signs saying "Bush = Obama = Socialist".

acptulsa
08-07-2009, 06:50 AM
How about this:

Is it an angry mob or is it manufactured astroturf? Come on, now, make up your mind.

Better hope it's astroturf, or there's some serious anger out there to deal with. Seems some people don't recognize the land of their fathers any more. That kind of stuff is quite likely to generate an angry mob. Whereas astroturf--well, you'd think the Party of ACORN would be better at recognizing it...

Working Poor
08-07-2009, 06:50 AM
I see alot more commentary about the protest being racist in nature. Are they democrats? I have been trying very hard across the net to dispel the racist stuff. I tell people it is about freedom not racist bs.

acptulsa
08-07-2009, 06:54 AM
Just don't be racist--at all--and let them scream that crap all they want. The more they cry wolf on that subject the less they'll be heard.

pcosmar
08-07-2009, 07:37 AM
Come on man, don't pretend like I'm an Obama supporter. Just because I'm not an anarcho-syndyco-minarcho-who gives a fuck doesn't mean I support Obama.

I can't tell. :confused:

Deborah K
08-07-2009, 08:02 AM
The left has a long-used tactic where they target, isolate, and ridicule you into submission. They've pulled this tactic out, now that their opposition has come out in force, something they have never seen before.

The best thing to do now, is to identify their tactics, and use their own tactics against them. In other words, along with getting in their faces, we now need to target, isolate, and ridicule.

BenIsForRon
08-07-2009, 12:28 PM
Deborah, what are you talking about? Are you talking about democrating voters, or US representatives? Getting in the face of half of your fellow citizens IS NOT the way to go about this. We are trying to build bridges, not burn them. Seriously, if things get worse in this country, your kind of an attitude will help us get into a civil war FAST.

Remember the LOVE in rEVOLution.

Deborah K
08-07-2009, 12:31 PM
Deborah, what are you talking about? Are you talking about democrating voters, or US representatives? Getting in the face of half of your fellow citizens IS NOT the way to go about this. We are trying to build bridges, not burn them. Seriously, if things get worse in this country, your kind of an attitude will help us get into a civil war FAST.

Remember the LOVE in rEVOLution.

Try reading through my posts on TH issues before you flame. :rolleyes:

BenIsForRon
08-07-2009, 12:41 PM
I'm not flaming. I went back and see your non-violent posts, that's good. But you've also made some posts endorsing shouting Reps out of a building and getting in "their" faces. I was just asking who "they" are. If by "they" you mean the politicians, then that's "ok", but you still need to get in their faces in a civil, organized matter.

We have to show up in high numbers at these town halls, BUT we have to keep the anger down. It's only going to alienate us, and it only stokes the flames of violence we've already started to see. Shouting matches NEVER end rationally.

Deborah K
08-07-2009, 01:28 PM
Point taken. And 'in their faces' is just a protest term for me, meaning in the establishement's face.

angelatc
08-07-2009, 01:34 PM
Good luck, because the anger stems directly from the fact that our representatives don't care what we want, and have no interest in listening to what we say, either.

Their agenda isn't interested in a logical analysis of the issues.

And they know full well that painting the opposition as loud, ineffective and irritating is exactly how to keep people home watching TV.

Violence didn't come until they showed up. Not us, but we'll get blamed for it.