Monsters Inc. Why is this Pixar Animiated Movie Important?

[InterestedParticipant]

Why is this Pixar Animation significant?
Who do the Monsters represent?
Who do the children in the movie represent?

All the answers can be found in this initial 10min clip.


YouTube - Monsters Inc. Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXn1IEn1NOY)

[RevolutionSD]

:confused::confused:

[orafi]

because the government needs to keep the mass fearful or else they will have nothing to go on when they want to gain more and more power? like how the monsters here need to feed off the fear of the children they frighten? lolz

[coyote_sprit]

Artificial scarcity? Think about it their are like 1.5 billion kids in this world and I only saw a few of them in that movie.

[orafi]

It would be a looong movie if they showed all 1.5 billion kids.

[MelissaWV]

Artificial scarcity? Think about it their are like 1.5 billion kids in this world and I only saw a few of them in that movie.

I think part of the point was that children aren't as scared of monsters under the bed or in the closet anymore, because they "grow up" earlier and real life is frightening enough.

[jmdrake]

Why is this Pixar Animation significant?
Who do the Monsters represent?
Who do the children in the movie represent?

All the answers can be found in this initial 10min clip.


1) The quote from the film "Without screams we have no power". The only way the government has power over the people is through fear whether it's fear of terrorism, fear of financial collapse if we don't bail out the people causing the collapse, fear of the bird flu - swine flu, fear of global warming, or fear of losing our health insurance.

2) The government. In the movie the monsters artificially generate the fear simply to get the power. Much of the fear mongering by our government is artificially generated so that the can get power. For instance even if you believe the official 9/11 story, it is clear from freely available information that the attacks could have been prevented. Colleen Rowley, for instance, tried to get a search warrant for Zarcharias Moussouis laptop. She was denied not by a judge but by lawyers within the FBI. No one was ever held accountable for this and other "mistakes". Instead the government demanded more "power" to "protect us", and like trusting little children we let them take it.

3) The people. We let ourselves be manipulated by fear. We've been total that additional government power is the means to the end of protecting us. The truth is that fear is the means and power is the end. If we learn not to react from fear (don't scream) the government can no longer gain more power through manipulation.

Very insightful.

Regards,

John M. Drake

[Krugerrand]

Monster's Inc: Artificially invoked fear provides power


The muslims are trying to kill you = Patriot Act, war spending

You will get sick and treatment will be unfordable = pay for government health care

CO2 will cause the globe to overheat = pay higher taxes

A child will get left behind = let the Fed Govnmt control education

You may eat a bad carrot and get sick = let the Fed Govnmt control all the farms

Meanwhile are these fears to natrual things:


Why do some muslim people hate us = US gov is srewing up thing in their country

Why can you not afford healthcare = govn't got involved and screwed it up

Why will CO2 case the globe to overheat = just look at Al Gore for an answer

Why is our education system the way it is = its government controlled

Why is our food system the way it is = FDA

Those who stroke the fear profit from the fear.

[InterestedParticipant]

1) The quote from the film "Without screams we have no power". The only way the government has power over the people is through fear whether it's fear of terrorism, fear of financial collapse if we don't bail out the people causing the collapse, fear of the bird flu - swine flu, fear of global warming, or fear of losing our health insurance.

2) The government. In the movie the monsters artificially generate the fear simply to get the power. Much of the fear mongering by our government is artificially generated so that the can get power. For instance even if you believe the official 9/11 story, it is clear from freely available information that the attacks could have been prevented. Colleen Rowley, for instance, tried to get a search warrant for Zarcharias Moussouis laptop. She was denied not by a judge but by lawyers within the FBI. No one was ever held accountable for this and other "mistakes". Instead the government demanded more "power" to "protect us", and like trusting little children we let them take it.

3) The people. We let ourselves be manipulated by fear. We've been total that additional government power is the means to the end of protecting us. The truth is that fear is the means and power is the end. If we learn not to react from fear (don't scream) the government can no longer gain more power through manipulation.

Very insightful.

Regards,

John M. Drake

Great job everyone on this analysis.!

So, we have:

Children in the movie who represent "the public"
But who do the Monsters represent? Is it just government, is it just the mainstream media? Or, do the Monsters also represent others?


Further, while it's clear that the movie is targeted at children and their parents, there seems to be this 3rd level-message, about a system of fear mongering aimed at "children" in order to generate "power" for the Monsters. Who could possibly be the target for this third level of messaging? Why was this 3rd-level messaging included in the movie at all?

[jmdrake]

Great job everyone on this analysis.!

So, we have:

Children in the movie who represent "the public"
But who do the Monsters represent? Is it just government, is it just the mainstream media? Or, do the Monsters also represent others?


Further, while it's clear that the movie is targeted at children and their parents, there seems to be this 3rd level-message, about a system of fear mongering aimed at "children" in order to generate "power" for the Monsters. Who could possibly be the target for this third level of messaging? Why was this 3rd-level messaging included in the movie at all?

You've got monsters and then mosters who control the monsters. The government and the behind the scenes shadow government. Not sure about the third level. I'll have to watch the clip again.

[InterestedParticipant]

You've got monsters and then mosters who control the monsters. The government and the behind the scenes shadow government. Not sure about the third level. I'll have to watch the clip again.
Why would the controllers, the fear mongers, show the public such a film, with this exoteric messaging. Doesn't this give away the game? If so, why put it out in public?

[BenIsForRon]

You've got monsters and then mosters who control the monsters. The government and the behind the scenes shadow government. Not sure about the third level. I'll have to watch the clip again.

Just a fair warning, InterestedParticipant thinks everything that happens in society is part of a master plan formed by a shadowy elite. Conspiracy nut to the extreme. He probably thinks this film is some form of mind control.


Why would the controllers, the fear mongers, show the public such a film, with this exoteric messaging. Doesn't this give away the game? If so, why put it out in public?

Because it wasn't written by any "controllers", it was written by a writing team at Pixar. We still have a free market in the movie biz, and the guys at Pixar are at experts at making popular, successful movies. Many of them have an anti- big government, anti-corporation philosophy, and it comes through in movies like this and Bug Story.

The monsters are fear mongers because it's profitable, just like it is in real life. It's called satire, and you need to get out more, like a lot more.

[coyote_sprit]

Why would the controllers, the fear mongers, show the public such a film, with this exoteric messaging. Doesn't this give away the game? If so, why put it out in public?

Anti authoritarian films are sometimes allowed to pass.

[jmdrake]

Just a fair warning, InterestedParticipant thinks everything that happens in society is part of a master plan formed by a shadowy elite. Conspiracy nut to the extreme. He probably thinks this film is some form of mind control.



Because it wasn't written by any "controllers", it was written by a writing team at Pixar. We still have a free market in the movie biz, and the guys at Pixar are at experts at making popular, successful movies. Many of them have an anti- big government, anti-corporation philosophy, and it comes through in movies like this and Bug Story.

The monsters are fear mongers because it's profitable, just like it is in real life. It's called satire, and you need to get out more, like a lot more.

LOL. Thanks for the heads up. I don't mind conspiracy theorists. I have my own theory that everybody is a conspiracy theorist to some degree, but they apply the conspiracy theory label to theories that don't agree with or wish to cover up. (Those who believe the official story think Al Qaeda carried out the conspiracy. Those who don't believe the official story clearly have their own conspiracy theory. Many aetheists believe there was a conspiracy to promote the idea that Jesus existed. Many Christians think aetheists are in a conspiracy to stop out Christianity. etc.)

I agree with your take that this was probably Pixar tweeking the establishment. But there's always another possibility.

[RonPaulFanInGA]

It's just a family movie. Maybe that's all there is to it?

[cradle2graveconservative]

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[jmdrake]

Why would the controllers, the fear mongers, show the public such a film, with this exoteric messaging. Doesn't this give away the game? If so, why put it out in public?

I think Ben and Coyote have the right idea. Still there are reasons a "controller" might purposefully let a film like this out. In the old "Hulk 2099" comic series by Marvel there was a singer who would sing anti establishment lyrics but was allowed to do that because "obey the government" subliminal messages were implanted. Then there's the kabbalistic "they get more power if they can show their hand before the trick you". Or the "Let's numb them to what we're doing through repeated exposure" idea. (People don't worry about brain chips because they think you just got that from the matrix. People don't worry about killer drone robots because they think you just got that from the terminator.) Then there's the possibilty that the controllers don't directly control such films but they let them get out because if they didn't people would realize they were being controlled. ;)

[BenIsForRon]

You're thinking about it to much. Even the propagandists at Disney/ABC don't have control over what Pixar does, because they're so damn successful.

[ScoutsHonor]

Absolutely fascinating!

I would like to play too. ;) And I start by suggesting that the Monsters are really Us, the public, the good guys.
Which is probably completely off-base. (If so, sorry about that:confused:;))

I also note that collecting *screams* ain't exactly an easy assignment. True? Is this an attempt to wear out our heroes with impossible goals? To distract them from the true nature of their problems, maybe the controllers themselves?? Hmmm.... :D

Waiting for the answers, oh teacher. ;)

[Vessol]

Always loved Pixar movies. Full of all sorts of stuff. Finding Nemo itself has a lot of Randian themes.

[InterestedParticipant]

I think Ben and Coyote have the right idea. Still there are reasons a "controller" might purposefully let a film like this out. In the old "Hulk 2099" comic series by Marvel there was a singer who would sing anti establishment lyrics but was allowed to do that because "obey the government" subliminal messages were implanted. Then there's the kabbalistic "they get more power if they can show their hand before the trick you". Or the "Let's numb them to what we're doing through repeated exposure" idea. (People don't worry about brain chips because they think you just got that from the matrix. People don't worry about killer drone robots because they think you just got that from the terminator.) Then there's the possibilty that the controllers don't directly control such films but they let them get out because if they didn't people would realize they were being controlled. ;)
So disappointing. You turned around and actually started to motion like you were going to walk toward the cave's exit, but then all it took was a little nudge from a couple of group members and you turned right about around and stood at attention while facing the shadows on the cave wall. Groupthink via peer pressure is such an ugly phenomena.

[InterestedParticipant]

Just a fair warning, InterestedParticipant thinks everything that happens in society is part of a master plan formed by a shadowy elite. Conspiracy nut to the extreme. He probably thinks this film is some form of mind control.



Because it wasn't written by any "controllers", it was written by a writing team at Pixar. We still have a free market in the movie biz, and the guys at Pixar are at experts at making popular, successful movies. Many of them have an anti- big government, anti-corporation philosophy, and it comes through in movies like this and Bug Story.

The monsters are fear mongers because it's profitable, just like it is in real life. It's called satire, and you need to get out more, like a lot more.


Anti authoritarian films are sometimes allowed to pass.
So, tell me, you've obviously read and digested Theodor Adorno's theses on mass-produced culture and have dismissed it. So, please tell us why you refute Adorno's work, seeing that you have so quickly and summarily dismissed this thread without any specific comment backing up your dismissal.


Adorno saw the culture industry as an arena in which critical tendencies or potentialities were eliminated. He argued that the culture industry, which produced and circulated cultural commodities through the mass media, manipulated the population. Popular culture was identified as a reason why people become passive; the easy pleasures available through consumption of popular culture made people docile and content, no matter how terrible their economic circumstances. The differences among cultural goods make them appear different, but they are in fact just variations on the same theme. He wrote that "the same thing is offered to everybody by the standardised production of consumption goods" but this is concealed under "the manipulation of taste and the official culture's pretense of individualism". [10] Adorno conceptualised this phenomenon as pseudo-individualization and the always-the-same. He saw this mass-produced culture as a danger to the more difficult high arts. Culture industries cultivate false needs; that is, needs created and satisfied by capitalism. True needs, in contrast, are freedom, creativity, and genuine happiness. But the subtle dialectician was also able to say that the problem with capitalism was that it blurred the line between false and true needs altogether.

If it is now customary to simply attack other forum members without any substantiation, with the mods simply turning a blind-eye to this sort of behavior, then how does one continue to engage in adult level conversation? Or, was adult level conversation never what was intended here?

[jmdrake]

So disappointing. You turned around and actually started to motion like you were going to walk toward the cave's exit, but then all it took was a little nudge from a couple of group members and you turned right about around and stood at attention while facing the shadows on the cave wall. Groupthink via peer pressure is such an ugly phenomena.

Nah. I just don't think the controllers have complete control (yet). If they did we would be able to have this little chat. ;) It's definitely possible that the "controllers" want you to see part of their hand. And it's possible that they could do that without "controlling" the film itself. Anyway that's my take. What's yours?

[InterestedParticipant]

This movie shows how the extended media is primarily used to perpetrate fear into the hearts and minds of the public. The Monsters in the movie represent mainstream media, alternative media, Internet media, major nonprofit organization leaders, politicians, etc. (anyone with regular access to the public through authorized channels). The children in the movie are the public at large (children are always used to symbolize the public).

The 3rd-level messaging of this movie is targeted at Insiders (i.e. those that run the system)... and there are two primary purposes of this message:

The first is to mock-the-victim (i.e. the public). The public is mocked by showing them how the system works in cartoon fashion, to reveal the truth right in front of their eyes, using childish imagery. The mockery is complete because the public is too ignorant to see or understand this exoteric message, or to see the blatant mockery. This is typical of psychopathic behavior, where the psychopath must mock the victim as part of their ritual of abuse, as it confirms their power of the victim (ie. public)

The second message is necessary to affirm the system's total domination over the public. If the public is unable to see the exoteric messaging (ie that the system of fear is artificial to maintain fiat power), then the players inside the system remain safe from retribution by the public mob. Hence, the insiders much repeatedly be assured that their systems of control are working, and that the public is not "getting it"... or waking up. Otherwise, the insiders, the controller, would have to quickly adjust their systems of control for fear of being trampled by the mob.


Look for these queues when you watch other movies, or listen to Internet radio. The mocking of the public is everywhere. It's constant, as its an essential feedback into the system of control that's been designed.

Now, it's your job to figure out who all of the real Monsters are. This is where you will be very surprised. Walter Cronkite was the most trusted man in America for decades, and only recently did we learn that he was a shill for the Globalists. I wonder who else who is currently trusted is engaging in the same level of deception on the public? Hmmm.

[pacelli]

Kind of a similar theme to this other cartoon:

YouTube - Bugs Life - New World Order (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_PFy9UwXnA)

[InterestedParticipant]

Kind of a similar theme to this other cartoon:
Yes, good reference.

They always expose themselves to the public in all sorts of ways, but the public generally doesn't notice.

[PaulaGem]

Why is this Pixar Animation significant?
Who do the Monsters represent?
Who do the children in the movie represent?

All the answers can be found in this initial 10min clip.


YouTube - Monsters Inc. Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXn1IEn1NOY)

Because you were on serious drugs when you saw it for the first time????

[Krugerrand]

This movie shows how the extended media is primarily used to perpetrate fear into the hearts and minds of the public. The Monsters in the movie represent mainstream media, alternative media, Internet media, major nonprofit organization leaders, politicians, etc. (anyone with regular access to the public through authorized channels). The children in the movie are the public at large (children are always used to symbolize the public).

The 3rd-level messaging of this movie is targeted at Insiders (i.e. those that run the system)... and there are two primary purposes of this message:

The first is to mock-the-victim (i.e. the public). The public is mocked by showing them how the system works in cartoon fashion, to reveal the truth right in front of their eyes, using childish imagery. The mockery is complete because the public is too ignorant to see or understand this exoteric message, or to see the blatant mockery. This is typical of psychopathic behavior, where the psychopath must mock the victim as part of their ritual of abuse, as it confirms their power of the victim (ie. public)

The second message is necessary to affirm the system's total domination over the public. If the public is unable to see the exoteric messaging (ie that the system of fear is artificial to maintain fiat power), then the players inside the system remain safe from retribution by the public mob. Hence, the insiders much repeatedly be assured that their systems of control are working, and that the public is not "getting it"... or waking up. Otherwise, the insiders, the controller, would have to quickly adjust their systems of control for fear of being trampled by the mob.


Look for these queues when you watch other movies, or listen to Internet radio. The mocking of the public is everywhere. It's constant, as its an essential feedback into the system of control that's been designed.

Now, it's your job to figure out who all of the real Monsters are. This is where you will be very surprised. Walter Cronkite was the most trusted man in America for decades, and only recently did we learn that he was a shill for the Globalists. I wonder who else who is currently trusted is engaging in the same level of deception on the public? Hmmm.

Keep in mind, the monster's are being lied to by Monster Inc (power company). They believe that humans are dangerous. Keep the door closed so they can't come and get us. Yet, Monster's Inc is secretly kidnapping children, bringing them to through the doors, and torturing them to get screams.

[ClayTrainor]

interesting thread... :)

[InterestedParticipant]

Keep in mind, the monster's are being lied to by Monster Inc (power company). They believe that humans are dangerous. Keep the door closed so they can't come and get us. Yet, Monster's Inc is secretly kidnapping children, bringing them to through the doors, and torturing them to get screams.
Excellent point.

So, what we can garner from this is that the Monsters (ie. information & culture industries) are fed their own unique set of lies (ie propaganda) about the children (ie public).

But what is good about the movie is that a couple of Monsters actually get a dose of reality when they are confronted with a child (ie humanity).... they finally learn that they were lied to and hence work diligently to save the child (ie humanity).

It's a great movie, isn't it.

[pacelli]

Excellent point.

So, what we can garner from this is that the Monsters (ie. information & culture industries) are fed their own unique set of lies (ie propaganda) about the children (ie public).

But what is good about the movie is that a couple of Monsters actually get a dose of reality when they are confronted with a child (ie humanity).... they finally learn that they were lied to and hence work diligently to save the child (ie humanity).

It's a great movie, isn't it.

Additionally, some of the children are actually robotic simulations designed to condition the monsters how to behave, and, not behave. :o

[Todd]

Why would the controllers, the fear mongers, show the public such a film, with this exoteric messaging. Doesn't this give away the game? If so, why put it out in public?

Maybe they think most won't get it and think it's just a funny little story.

When I saw Wall-E, I didn't just see it as some Enviro friendly film. I saw it another way. Fat, entertainment loving, Sheeple. Taken care of by the Nanny state. Finally awaken to take back control of their lives.

When I'm sitting in front of the tube somedays watching some coma inducing TV show, the wife see's me in a daze and she'll say

"Wall- E?"

Can't wait to watch Monsters Inc again and see if she can get something similar out of this.