Democrat Debate on MSNBC RIGHT NOW

[BLS]

So far, both Obama and Clinton are NOW saying they wouldn't pull all troops out.

[chiefsmurph]

I really like Kucinech so far. Take into account that I have not followed the Democrats at all. Where do his similarities with Ron end?

[ctb619]

I really like Kucinech so far. Take into account that I have not followed the Democrats at all. Where do his similarities with Ron end?

social programs

[Ron Paul Fan]

Go Gravel!

[Johnnybags]

I really like Kucinech so far. Take into account that I have not followed the Democrats at all. Where do his similarities with Ron end?

and all vote Kucinich on the poll. Scew Hillary and Obama.

[Geronimo]

Go Gravel!
That was the first time I ever heard him speak. He really laid into them. I wish Ron would call people out like that.

[rg123]

Gravel just smacked them all Hillary voted for the leiberman bomb bill today thank god someone said it

[ronpaulyourmom]

Gravel just smacked them all Hillary voted for the leiberman bomb bill today thank god someone said it

Gravel owned Hillary and Obama so hard.

[Paulitician]

Awesome. Good for Gravel.

[ctb619]

anybody able to watch this online?

[EvilEngineer]

dunno, is msnbc broadcasting.

[dircha]

anybody able to watch this online?

The stream is not working for me.

Debates are the only thing that sometimes make me consider having a television again. Thankfully CSPAN streams are reliable anyhow.

[OptionsTrader]

We've got two identiacal threads going apparently.

Gravel just slapped Hillary around regarding her pro-war yea vote for the Lieberman bill regarding Iran, that Dodd and Biden voted against, and Obama didn't bother to show up for to vote.

[Thomas_Paine]

What do you guys think about a Gravel - Ron Paul debate?

[MozoVote]

We can razz it together in the Ron Paul room.

http://chat.paltalk.com/g2/group/1127127948/

[Paulitician]

anybody able to watch this online?
Watching it right now online.

[Cowlesy]

Dude Russert is HAMMERING THEM RIGHT NOW.

I LOVE IT.

[ctb619]

Watching it right now online.

son of a....I can't get the stream to work

[LibertyEagle]

Gravel just NAILED Hillary for voting for the resolution on Iran today.

[OptionsTrader]

son of a....I can't get the stream to work

Use Firefox if you have problems.
http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/

[Geronimo]

What do you guys think about a Gravel - Ron Paul debate?

I don't think that they have much to debate.

[ctb619]

Use Firefox if you have problems.
http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/

that's what I'm using

[Kregener]

I have no need or desire to hear what they have to say. I already have a copy of the Communist Manifesto on my hard drive for reference and research.

[Ron Paul Fan]

Now Edwards is bashing Hillary for her Iran vote.

[Paulitician]

that's what I'm using
I have IE7, no problems at all. Maybe it's your connection.

[jpa]

I don't think that they have much to debate.

big differences on domestic policy

[OptionsTrader]

Insert "yes I will order invading and occupying Iran, and possibly use nuclear weapons" when they say "I will do whatever it takes to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons"

[Cowlesy]

Bill Richardson just said: "A fundamental tenet of American Foreign Policy is to support Israel."

[ctb619]

my connection is good....it says the video is unavailable and then proceeds to play nbc nighly news

[Starks]

Hey, should our government be spending money on a border fence to protect our sovereignty?

[chiefsmurph]

Biden (I think) just completely owned Guiliani.

[Paulitician]

Nice, Biden just took a shot at Giuliani! And he's right, Rudy is a retard when it comes to foreign policy.

[Kregener]

I am not sold on a "fence", it could be used to keep people IN too.

We have 30,000 troops on the border with North Korea.

You figure it out.

[Starks]

Did Obama vote "yes" on the Lieberman amendment?

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Bill Richardson just said: "A fundamental tenet of American Foreign Policy is to support Israel."

he's going against his own party by saying that lol

[Cowlesy]

Did Obama vote "yes" on the Lieberman amendment?

He's not a member of the Senate.

[Starks]

Why can't Obama or Hillary answer the damn question?

[OptionsTrader]

Did Obama vote "yes" on the Lieberman amendment?

No. He didn't bother to vote at all.

[Paulitician]

Did Obama vote "yes" on the Lieberman amendment?
Didn't vote... how convenient huh?

[OptionsTrader]

He's not a member of the Senate.

The people of Illinois may agree, but.

[Cowlesy]

:) :) :)

Glad someone caught the sarcasm

[chiefsmurph]

I don't really see why it could be used to keep people in. Maybe I'm just thinking short term as I don't know what will happen in 100 years, but I can't really see it being used that way.

[Geronimo]

big differences on domestic policy

I'm just finding that out. I spoke too soon.

Carry on.

[RP08]

I really like Kucinech so far. Take into account that I have not followed the Democrats at all. Where do his similarities with Ron end?

He's a pacifist who doesn't believe in singling-out and attacking an individual who attacked your country. Ron Paul would (with Congressional order) take appropriate measures against those actually responsible for attacks against us. Kucinich isn't all that far off on a lot of talking points though. I just don't get the "don't protect the United States with force, if it came to that" kind of mentality. And, no, I'm not talking about f'ing pre-emptive anything. I'm talking about defense.

[OptionsTrader]

I think 8 years under Ron Paul and he could groom a great successor.

[MozoVote]

Man, I can't stand Edwards. And he used to be a senator from my own state. Every time I see him up there i think "You've had a shot at this already... go away..."

[Ann Kobialka]

I would like Dr. Paul to use something like that line Bidden used when they asked him about sanctuary cities. he said I wish you would ask me about foriegn policy or some of the things I know a lot about and start getting me into this debate. Ann

[runderwo]

Ron Paul would (with Congressional order) take appropriate measures against those actually responsible for attacks against us.

It's not just that 'he would', it's that he actually did introduce legislation that would have created a constitutional war on the admitted 9/11 attackers through letters of marque and reprisal. He voted against the authorization to invade Afghanistan and voted against the Iraq War resolution because they were unconstitutional non-declarations of war -- abdicating our interests in favor of enforcing UN resolutions -- and he rightly believed nation building would be the end result.

[MozoVote]

Man, Dodd weaved and bobbed around that question over Hillary becoming the eventual nominee...

[chiefsmurph]

Man, Dodd weaved and bobbed around that question over Hillary becoming the eventual nominee...

Yea. I was wondering if he was ever going to answer the question. I was really looking forward to hearing it too.

[OptionsTrader]

It's not just that 'he would', it's that he actually did introduce legislation that would have created a constitutional war on the admitted 9/11 attackers through letters of marque and reprisal. He voted against the authorization to invade Afghanistan and voted against the Iraq War resolution because they were unconstitutional non-declarations of war -- abdicating our interests in favor of enforcing UN resolutions -- and he rightly believed nation building would be the end result.

Reference:

AIR PIRACY REPRISAL AND CAPTURE ACT OF 2001 -- HON. RON PAUL (Extensions of Remarks - October 10, 2001)

HON. RON PAUL
OF TEXAS
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
Wednesday, October 10, 2001

http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2001/cr101001.htm

[Geronimo]

Maybe Rush and Hannity are right. These democrats are a bunch of clowns.

[Salamando]

Tim Russert is the man

[Paulitician]

Man these guys are so boring.

[MozoVote]

Uggh! Edwards again! Mr "Always Raised Eyebrows". Enough of you!

[Natalie]

Man these guys are so boring.

I know :rolleyes: I'm just waiting for Kucinich to speak.

[Paulitician]

I know :rolleyes: I'm just waiting for Kucinich to speak.
Yup, him and Gravel for me.

[Starks]

WTF Russert. Who gave you permission to treat Gravel like that?

[Starks]

Now he's slamming Kucy....

[MozoVote]

Gravel is sinking in my eyes tonight.

(1) Open the border
(2) The ends justified the means when I defaulted on $90,000

[RP08]

MAN, we have some educated and informed members of this forum coming about! Very encouraging. I thought the last of the intellects had left the room around 1988

[hard@work]

Could you imagine if Ron Paul was on that panel?

:)

[Dary]

Gravel is sinking in my eyes tonight.

(1) Open the border
(2) The ends justified the means when I defaulted on $90,000

I think he just shot himself in the head with that sticking it to the credit card companies comment.

[SWATH]

Ahh but apparently Edwards wants to play God by forcing health screening and compulsory physical examinations.

[MozoVote]

Wow, Obama kinda sounded like Paul for a bit there about stopping the fear mongering, and creating "hope that we are all Americans"

[MozoVote]

Biden concedes the economy can't grow as fast as Soc Sec spending. Oh, the horror.

Let me out! Let me out!

[The Only Woj]

did Hilary just say Bush was "dissing" Social Security at some point?

[MozoVote]

Sadly, Hillary is right about George W Bush blowing the budget. :(

[RonPaulGetsIt]

Hillary cant answer a yes or no question about whether or not she will raise the income limit restiction about social secruity taxes. Why do people like these fools again?

[MozoVote]

Actually, I think her answer was pretty pragmatic. The result would depend on the balance of power in Congress.

Yeah! Gravel says stop raiding the trust fund.

[MozoVote]

EDWARDS!

"Specifically, so I can ve very specific"

That's our Yogi Berra moment of the night! :)

[Natalie]

A national law to ban smoking in public?! This is ridiculous.

[Dary]

Hey Hillary, why not just ban it (smoking) altogether. FDA for smokes? You'll need a perscription? What a joke.

[MozoVote]

Smoking law. Constitutional trap. Will anyone fall in? Hillary and Obama have skirted it....

[The Only Woj]

Kucy had a great one-liner

[nyjohn]

is that howard dean in the audience?

[Cowlesy]

Are you guys listening to this shit????

National smoking laws, increasing the social security caps. A violation of civil liberties, a complete defiance of the principle of the whole social security program.

"WORKERS of the WORLD UNITE, you have NOTHING to LOSE but YOUR CHAINS."

[Hook]

Tim Russert is the man

He is the only mainstream reporter I can listen to. He seems very fair to all sides of a story. He even had the cajones to ask both Bush and Kerry about their Skull and Bones associations.

[MozoVote]

Biden, just go ahead and ban alcohol since it's so awful. You want to ban smoking, right? Sheesh.

[Cowlesy]

You have to give Russert credit. He hits everyone...he'll hit Ron Paul, but he'll hit Rudy, Hillary, Kucinich, Romney..it doesn't matter.

If he had Jesus on, he'd be throwing punches.

[Hook]

You know Hitler was a teetotaler right?

[Cowlesy]

Nice shot Gravel ---- "If they can fight and die for this country, they can go out and have a drink".

[Tin_Foil_Hat]

Edwards....what was the question? :) :D

[Qiu]

Lowering the drinking age doesn't increase alcoholism, especially when no teenager follows that law anyways. We have one of the highest drinking age laws in the world. Yet, Germany and Britain doesn't have as many problems as we do.

[Dary]

Poor Mike "I never got to the real round" Gravel :)

[MozoVote]

Come on. States have millions of people. Their legislatures can decide what level of risk is accepable. This is a REPUBLIC, remember?

OK, Gravel agrees.
Kucinich agrees.

[Cowlesy]

I just think he has a point. We send 20yr old to Iraq with M-16's or operating .50 calibers who get their legs blown to bits or lose eyes/half their faces...but if they want to hit a bar, they couldn't order a Miller LIte.

w.t.f.

[Hook]

Gravel is my favorite politician on the Dark... I mean Democratic side. He goes into the debates with a fully automatic bazooka and never lets off the trigger :D

[MozoVote]

Weird that Kucinich wants a national smoking ban - but would allow states to set drinking ages at 18.

[Dary]

Ron Paul just raised another $1,000 in Obama's 30 seconds. :)

[pcosmar]

I can't watch anymore. My head is going to explode, or I'll smash the TV. They all suck.

[Salamando]

Weird that Kucinich wants a national smoking ban - but would allow states to set drinking ages at 18.

I think its the 2nd hand smoke that makes him lean that way.

Imagine 2nd hand drunkeness >_>

[SWATH]

Weird that Kucinich wants a national smoking ban - but would allow states to set drinking ages at 18.

That is because alcohol is a mind altering drug and tobacco is not.

[ItsTime]

i just want to scream!

[Qiu]

....did anyone find some irony in Hillary talking about her husband's values?

[0zzy]

Edwards = tall?
roflrofl

[MozoVote]

Gravel is fun to watch, but some of his answers don't make any sense. He comes across like the "John Cox" of the Dem side. Hard to take him seriously.

[Qiu]

I don't like Dodd's analogy....... China isn't a single company,

[SWATH]

Oh I see Richardson wants to follow the Constitution now and to not go to war without a declaration...let me write this down in case I forget because I don't think I've ever heard that before nor will again.

[MozoVote]

WHOA! Richardson grabbed the Constitutional ball and ran 20 yards! Somebody YouTube THAT comment.

[SWATH]

Obama cannot take nuclear weapons OR nuclear power off the table.

[Paulitician]

Obama cannot take nuclear weapons OR nuclear power off the table.
Especially weapons though.

[tsopranos]

Gravel...on wind power: "we could electrify this whole country" :D

[Qiu]

wow 5 million windmills.... that's 1 windmill for every 60 people

[MozoVote]

Gravel: Build 5 million windmills? WTF?

[Qiu]

Biden: Rationale for the Iraq War related to bad info from torture.

What? Is this true? Why haven't I heard of it?

[Dary]

Is this an interview or a debate?

[paulitics]

Biden: Rationale for the Iraq War related to bad info from torture.

What? Is this true? Why haven't I heard of it?

wtf? thats new

[dircha]

wow 5 million windmills.... that's 1 windmill for every 60 people

LOL, what a loony.

"All we have to do is want to do it."

Of course, Mr. Gravel, because wishing something can make it so!

Everyone, clap, clap if you believe in windmills!

Better yet, open you checkbooks, because he wants wipe out the entire energy industry with taxpayer funded windmills.

[Paulitician]

Is this an interview or a debate?
The former

[ItsTime]

5 million windmills is not a pipe dream...... it is really doable

[MozoVote]

Hillary squeaked out of that trap nicely - it is true that presidents need a variety of advisors and they all have listened to their spouses.

[BuddyRey]

WOW, Russert just completely ignored Gravel when he opted to question Hillary's torture policy!!! That's it, Russert, tow the CFR line like a good little stooge!

[philipsantamaria]

I can't believe Obama and Clinton want to keep Nuclear Power on the table...so many studies have shown how dangerous and expensive it is.

I agree with Bill Richardson and Gravel on this issue, I wish Ron Paul would advocate a stronger push for Clean Energy Independence.

[Dary]

Richardson accuses GWB of human rights violations. Is that an impeachable offense?

[The Only Woj]

why build 5 million windmills when you can build one GIANT windmill?

[MikeStanart]

Gravel...on wind power: "we could electrify this whole country" :D

hahaha

And we can run all our cars on corn!

[MozoVote]

Man, what has gotten into Richardson? Somebody must be advising him to try and take the Constitutional high ground. Maybe they think RP people will "flock" to him.

[nunaem]

Biden Triple-flop

[paulitics]

democrats are sounding better on civil liberties: hate to say it.

[MikeStanart]

why build 5 million windmills when you can build one GIANT windmill?

I doubt 5 million would cut it.


Why not just build a Large solar panel over the entire US? It would be dark all day, but hey; we would power everything!

[SWATH]

UH OH Kucinich has a pocket Constitution. We are doomed.

[Dary]

why build 5 million windmills when you can build one GIANT windmill?

Ahhh. That's great. :)

[The Only Woj]

I doubt 5 million would cut it.


Why not just build a Large solar panel over the entire US? It would be dark all day, but hey; we would power everything!

why not build those solar panels over Mexico?

[ItsTime]

again 5 million wind mills are not a pipe dream. If farmers just built them on the outside of their farms as extra income there would be more than 5 million... the free market would thrive

[ItsTime]

i thought debates were between the people debating not the person asking the questions...

[BuddyRey]

LOL, what a loony.

"All we have to do is want to do it."

Of course, Mr. Gravel, because wishing something can make it so!

Everyone, clap, clap if you believe in windmills!

Better yet, open you checkbooks, because he wants wipe out the entire energy industry with taxpayer funded windmills.

It would pay for itself within a year. We're getting fleeced by the oil and gas lobbies. You'll never see a Saudi royal have the nerve to bottle air and charge 50 bucks a gallon for it.

[MozoVote]

HAHAHAHAH

Russert let Edwards speak *well* over 30 seconds to avoid the question.

Then asked AGAIN if Edwards thinks he has made good choices whom he accepted money from.

[SWATH]

Obama wants to balance the empathy budget

[justaguy]

again 5 million wind mills are not a pipe dream. If farmers just built them on the outside of their farms as extra income there would be more than 5 million... the free market would thrive

I agree, but I don't think it will get my car to start in the morning. :) Of course, we here know the root cause of problems in the energy industry.

-Chris

[RobotJaxxon]

again 5 million wind mills are not a pipe dream. If farmers just built them on the outside of their farms as extra income there would be more than 5 million... the free market would thrive

I could see that... windmills as common as cell phone towers. Not a bad idea. I'd like to see someone put together a business plan on it. I wouldn't like to see someone put together a government plan on it.

[Tin_Foil_Hat]

Baseball! :rolleyes:

[ctb619]

the crowd gets more hyped up about the baseball question than anything else

[ItsTime]

Baseball! :rolleyes:

I thought it was softball :) HAHA

[Dary]

Ok so who do we vote for on the MSNBC site?

[BuddyRey]

I'm voting for Gravel, but Kucinich would be cool too. Everyone else is a tool.

[Hook]

again 5 million wind mills are not a pipe dream. If farmers just built them on the outside of their farms as extra income there would be more than 5 million... the free market would thrive

Right now they don't have enough ROI to compete well with subsidized nuclear and coal. Probably in the next 5 years or so they will become much more attractive. In 10 years solar will reach economic parity I think.

[MozoVote]

Gravel was too all over the place. I'm leaning Kucinich, Richardson, or -gasp- Hillary.

[dircha]

again 5 million wind mills are not a pipe dream. If farmers just built them on the outside of their farms as extra income there would be more than 5 million... the free market would thrive

Gravel is suggesting that we use tax dollars to build 5 million windmills in 5 years and bankrupt the energy industry.

There are several wind farms in my state.

Windmills are not magic. This not Sim City. Windmills are only cost-effective under very specific circumstances and unsuitable for use in many geographic areas.

I don't know how mandatory production of 5 million in 5 years would impact per unit cost, but I think the majority of them would never recoup the initial cost in the lifetime of the unit.

But then the government can just borrow money from China to build them and we won't have to worry!

[Dary]

I originally thought Gravel but maybe now Kucinich.

[paulitics]

Richardson probably won. But only Gravel was honest.

[CurtisLow]

Just think how many windmills we could buy from the money spent on Bush's war!

[Qiu]

haha.... every candidate has a negative rating on their rate the candidates thing

[MozoVote]

Kucinich has the candor and integrity.
Richardson the Constitutional high ground.
Hillary has the experience and connections.

Our votes would be lost on Hillary, though. We should go for K or R, I think.

[ItsTime]

Right now they don't have enough ROI to compete well with subsidized nuclear and coal. Probably in the next 5 years or so they will become much more attractive. In 10 years solar will reach economic parity I think.

I agree, but it only takes a few 100,000 to switch that to a few years away. RP would kill the sub programs, so it could be a lot faster than that.

[Dary]

I don't like any of them. I was gonna vote K, but the negative rating for all is enticing too.

Yup. That's what I'm gonna do. Negative for all.

[ItsTime]

link to vote?

[Paulitician]

go to the msnbc website...

[dircha]

I agree, but it only takes a few 100,000 to switch that to a few years away. RP would kill the sub programs, so it could be a lot faster than that.

It has little to do with subsidies (although those should stop too). Windmill power alone can not meet our energy needs. These units provide very poor energy density (require a lot of land to produce the same energy), are completely unsuitable for many geographic areas, are not reliable, and are not cost effective other than in select circumstances.

There is no need to look for alternatives to coal and oil at this time. Coal and oil are cheap. The free market is more powerful than any dictator. They will keep selling us their oil whether they like us or not, because that oil money is what keeps them in power.

The most immediately cost-effective approaches to reducing human carbon emissions are energy efficiency (such as better mileage vehicles) and emissions management (such as scrubbers).

[ThePieSwindler]

i'm starting to sort of like richardson a tiny bit - hes not a gun grabber (even has a conealed carry permit), and he seems fairly moderate compared to alot of the other dems. I know people say kucinich and gravel for their "honesty", whatever that means, but Richardson is the only one whos not far-far left on social issues, and is good on the war too. Then again, he IS for open borders, is pro-choice, wants government managed care (though hes not calling for complete socialism or UHC), and wants alot of government subsidies and spending in alot of areas. Im actually starting to think i like him the most of all the dems, though thats not saying much, considering every dem is a big gov tax-and-spend type.

[OptionsTrader]

Voted for Kucinich.

[honkywill]

Gravel is kick ass in his own sort of way.

[justaguy]

They are really picking on Hillary...

-Chris

[CurtisLow]

Gravel is kick ass in his own sort of way.

Yeah, check out his video in the vote poll. BANG to Hillary!

[MozoVote]

I'm gonna vote for Kucinich, I think he's less of a threat to Paul in the general election than Richardson would be. A governor is a stronger candidiate than a representative.

[BuddyRey]

i'm starting to sort of like richardson a tiny bit - hes not a gun grabber (even has a conealed carry permit), and he seems fairly moderate compared to alot of the other dems. I know people say kucinich and gravel for their "honesty", whatever that means, but Richardson is the only one whos not far-far left on social issues, and is good on the war too. Then again, he IS for open borders, is pro-choice, wants government managed care (though hes not calling for complete socialism or UHC), and wants alot of government subsidies and spending in alot of areas. Im actually starting to think i like him the most of all the dems, though thats not saying much, considering every dem is a big gov tax-and-spend type.

I guess there's no accounting for taste, but I love Gravel and Kucinich precisely BECAUSE of their liberal social views. Everyone else up there seems, to me, just as authoritarian as the Republican frontrunners. Richardson scares the Hell out of me with his CFR membership and open-borders stance. I also hear he's a bit of a spendthrift, but that could just be a rumor.

[Dary]

If i'm reading this thing right, it looks like Edwards is winning. Yes?

[Ninja Homer]

This is the first democratic debate I've watched this year, and it was tough to sit through without throwing the remote through the TV. I needed a drink after 5 minutes of watching, and finished 6 of them by the end of it.

I seriously think that any member of this forum could have been in that debate and made them all look like fools, let alone Ron Paul. For that matter, any 12-year old with a copy of the Constitution would make them all look like clowns... even Kucinich and Gravel.

That's the last democratic debate I'll watch, and I'm doubling my efforts to get Ron Paul elected. If anybody besides Ron Paul ends up as President, there's going to be either a Greater Depression or a very bloody revolution.

[Tina]

This is the first democratic debate I've watched this year, and it was tough to sit through without throwing the remote through the TV. I needed a drink after 5 minutes of watching, and finished 6 of them by the end of it.

I seriously think that any member of this forum could have been in that debate and made them all look like fools, let alone Ron Paul. For that matter, any 12-year old with a copy of the Constitution would make them all look like clowns... even Kucinich and Gravel.

That's the last democratic debate I'll watch, and I'm doubling my efforts to get Ron Paul elected. If anybody besides Ron Paul ends up as President, there's going to be either a Greater Depression or a very bloody revolution.

I've watched all of the debates. I have felt the same way watching the republicans. Except for Paul of course.

[RevolutionSD]

You know Hitler was a teetotaler right?

Well, he took a wide variety of pills, but yah stayed away from the booze.

Coincidentally, the nazi's had a big thing with smoking and I think tried to ban it everywhere.

[Hook]

This is the first democratic debate I've watched this year, and it was tough to sit through without throwing the remote through the TV. I needed a drink after 5 minutes of watching, and finished 6 of them by the end of it.

I seriously think that any member of this forum could have been in that debate and made them all look like fools, let alone Ron Paul. For that matter, any 12-year old with a copy of the Constitution would make them all look like clowns... even Kucinich and Gravel.

That's the last democratic debate I'll watch, and I'm doubling my efforts to get Ron Paul elected. If anybody besides Ron Paul ends up as President, there's going to be either a Greater Depression or a very bloody revolution.

Yeah, I haven't figured out what is harder to sit through, the Facist Party debate or the Commie Party debate.
They should just cut to the chase and put a hammer and sickle flag behind the Dem debate and a huge swastika behind the GOP debate.

[RevolutionSD]

I guess there's no accounting for taste, but I love Gravel and Kucinich precisely BECAUSE of their liberal social views. Everyone else up there seems, to me, just as authoritarian as the Republican frontrunners. Richardson scares the Hell out of me with his CFR membership and open-borders stance. I also hear he's a bit of a spendthrift, but that could just be a rumor.

Hillary, Obama, and I think Edwards are all CFR members too.

I'm for open borders too. If we end the welfare state, who cares if mexicans want to move here? They won't get school and healthcare paid for, so they will have to be productive citizens in order to make it.

[Tina]

Yeah, I haven't figured out what is harder to sit through, the Facist Party debate or the Commie Party debate.
They should just cut to the chase and put a hammer and sickle flag behind the Dem debate and a huge swastika behind the GOP debate.

:p
Yup.

[Ninja Homer]

I've watched all of the debates. I have felt the same way watching the republicans. Except for Paul of course.

Yeah, I feel the same about the republican debates, but keep watching them to see Ron Paul. It's like a really good 5 minute long Ron Paul show with 90 minutes of crappy commercials.

In the future, I may just stick to the YouTube mix with only the Ron Paul highlights. I will be watching the PBS GOP debate tomorrow night though... it should be interesting without Giuliani, Romney, Thompson, McCain, and Tancredo there.

[james1906]

Yeah, I feel the same about the republican debates, but keep watching them to see Ron Paul. It's like a really good 5 minute long Ron Paul show with 90 minutes of crappy commercials.

In the future, I may just stick to the YouTube mix with only the Ron Paul highlights. I will be watching the PBS GOP debate tomorrow night though... it should be interesting without Giuliani, Romney, Thompson, McCain, and Tancredo there.

Sadly Keyes will be there hamming it up.

[BenIsForRon]

Holy shit, so much ignorance in America. Let me start off by saying BILL RICHARDSON IS A COMPLETE MORON! DO NOT BE FOOLED! Look at his answer for social security.

Kucinich and Gravel showed they were completely out of touch with reality. If you think you can save social security that rules you out right away, its impossible. And 5 million windmills? I would still vote for them because of the anti-imperialism stance, but they both had really weak performances tonight and we'll be lucky if we see them in another debate.

The rest of the candidates were just plain scary to watch.

And I think there is a point that a lot of people miss even on these forums. Our country is in for some big problems even if Ron Paul is elected. I think a global economic depression is unavoidable at this point, too much damage has already been done. Ron Paul will protect our liberties and put the responsibility of rebuilding the country into our hands, where it needs to be.

[devil21]

I couldnt watch the debate because I can't stand the liberal rhetoric plus I can't stand watching Richardson. He looks like the lovechild of Carlos Mencia and George Lopez and he TALKS WITH HIS HANDS entirely too much. Everytime I see him I want to yell to put your hands down!

[Man from La Mancha]

5 milliom windmills=no more birds

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