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Akus
09-26-2007, 12:34 PM
I was at this local republican circlejerk for lack of a better term. There were some RP supporters out there and one of them said that Ron Paul, because he's 72, is not as sharp as he used to be. He didn't mean he was losing his mind due to old age, more like that he is not in touch with his crowd.

As an examply, he said that he, RP, that is, didn't perform well at the value voters, because when was asked about Jesus, he could have just talked about Jesus and not mention his anti-war centiment, as he got all the juice out the anti-war rhetoric he is going to get and now he needs to get the "Jesus disciple" vote, something that, in my friend's opinion, he failed to do.

I was sad to hear that, especially realizing that yeah, the guy was born before WW2 and ain't exactly a spring chicken. What do you guys think.

micahnelson
09-26-2007, 12:36 PM
No, Ron Paul supporters don't think Ron Paul is losing it...

We like the fact that he doesn't pander...

If you want panderbears vote for the establishment.

Mr. White
09-26-2007, 12:37 PM
It's a fair observation, but lacking in support.

FluffyUnbound
09-26-2007, 12:37 PM
I was at this local republican circlejerk for lack of a better term. There were some RP supporters out there and one of them said that Ron Paul, because he's 72, is not as sharp as he used to be. He didn't mean he was losing his mind due to old age, more like that he is not in touch with his crowd.

As an examply, he said that he, RP, that is, didn't perform well at the value voters, because when was asked about Jesus, he could have just talked about Jesus and not mention his anti-war centiment, as he got all the joice out the anti-war rhetoric he is going to get and now he needs to get the "Jesus disciple" vote, something that, in my friend's opinion, he failed to do.

I was sad to hear that, especially realizing that yeah, the guy was born before WW2 and ain't exactly a spring chicken. What do you guys think.

If I was confronted with a bunch of hypocritical Bushtards, I too would point out that Jesus was the prince of peace.

If there are Christians out there who don't want to talk about what Jesus actually stood for, what is Paul supposed to do? Feed them the same BS everyone else does?

libertythor
09-26-2007, 12:38 PM
He is far from being senile.

Most people that keep active reading and doing other activities stay sharp even up into their 100's.

Chester Copperpot
09-26-2007, 12:38 PM
Yep... Everybody else at that Value Voter debate was pandering for Jesus and death to ***** etc.. Not Ron Paul.. He affirmed that people have rights because they are born with them, not because of their affiliation with any group.. You could hear the crows GASP.. "Did he just say gays have rights?"

Ron Paul tells it like it is.. And because hes polling 10% now in scientific polls for peope 18-29 Id have to say he's definiterly 'in touch'

constituent
09-26-2007, 12:38 PM
mmm hmmm ::clears throat::

ron paul supporters... riiiiiight.

and after that they hoped over to the local
anarchist convention to plan for their next
peace protest and assemble molotov cocktails.

UCFGavin
09-26-2007, 12:38 PM
yeah, he could have pandered to the crowd just like all the other candidates did at the forum.

he isn't out of touch with his crowd, hes said he doesn't understand a lot of them except for the fact that we all share one common trait and that is the desire to live in a free society. i would imagine he probably doesn't understand a lot of the stuff on the internet, but that doesn't mean he doesn't understand the benefits of it and what it is doing for him.

DjLoTi
09-26-2007, 12:39 PM
He's in great shape and a doctor. 72 really isn't that old, assuming one takes care of themselves. My grandmother is as fine as she's always been, she's 78, and she smokes like a pack a day. lol

LibertyEagle
09-26-2007, 12:39 PM
He's not losing it. No way. Since I've been reading and listening to this guy for well over 20 years, I can tell you, he hasn't lost his edge at all.

I do however wish that he would talk about something other than the war all the time. He badly needs to be discussing how government has gotten out of hand, how did we become a country who now thinks that for anything to be done, it has to be legislated at the federal level, the difference between real free trade and NAFTA, CAFTA, etc. and why they are dangerous, etc.

EvilTwinkie
09-26-2007, 12:41 PM
Um, no. You try Dr Pauls schedule for a week. Im half his age and I wouldnt last 3 days.

Id much prefer if he keeps Jesus at home thanks. If they need convincing, show them Pauls Statement of faith. Its about what we can do for Dr Paul now. Hes just one very hardworking old man. He can only do so much.

Ron Paul Fan
09-26-2007, 12:41 PM
Maybe he's not as sharp at 72 as he was at 52, but who is? He's still smarter than anyone else in the Republican field though. I think Dr. Paul is very in touch with the crowd and he did mention Jesus being about peace and he talked about the just war theory. Blessed are the peacemakers. Evidently he's been reading from a different bible. He's not going to change his views based on what crowd he's talking to. Dr. Paul is better than that and he doesn't pander. The guy that said this about Ron Paul must not understand that he's not the typical politician because he's honest.

constituent
09-26-2007, 12:42 PM
^i'll second that libertyeagle.

he also needs to hammer home his
opposition to corporate welfare and
the soft-slavery imposed by our own
internal, somewhat self-inflicted economic
sanctions.

RJB
09-26-2007, 12:42 PM
He's a heck of a lot sharper than Frudy Mc Romney.

As a Christian, I loved the Prince of Peace quote. I respect his courage to say that pre-emptive war goes against Christian values. He may lose votes by being honest and not pandering, but he gains many more. That's why we're all here, right?

jblosser
09-26-2007, 12:45 PM
Akus if you're talking about who I think you're talking about, that guy very much wants to play the game and he and I haven't agreed on that yet. I'll note that playing the game is what got us here, needing a 72 year old honest man who should be allowed to retire to bail us out. Maybe we can't win by not playing but we apparently can't win by playing either so why does it matter?

Sojourner
09-26-2007, 12:52 PM
When asked, Ghouliani couldn't recall Terri Schiavo from only two years ago, and that case dominated the news for how long? How could one not recall such a gut-wrenching case???

Freddy couldn't recall Terri's plight either, and 1) he advised U.S. Senator from Tenn. Bill Frist on the Terri Schiavo case; and 2) Freddy did an episode of Law and Order where the plot was directly based on the Terri Schiavo case.

I bet Ron recalls Terri Schiavo.

walt
09-26-2007, 12:56 PM
I saw him last saturday - room full of 1200 people and he's the only one that could have delivered that 45 minute speech.

LibertyEagle
09-26-2007, 01:04 PM
He's a heck of a lot sharper than Frudy Mc Romney.

As a Christian, I loved the Prince of Peace quote. I respect his courage to say that pre-emptive war goes against Christian values. He may lose votes by being honest and not pandering, but he gains many more. That's why we're all here, right?

I loved that he said that. Hopefully, many Christians will take a few minutes to consider what he said.

JPFromTally
09-26-2007, 01:07 PM
My mom's 72 also and trust me... she's not old.

constituent
09-26-2007, 01:08 PM
i stopped attending church many many years ago, but am aware of the
enormous spike in church attendance post 9/11 fed by the new end-times
gospel according to lahey and subsequent (adjective and noun missing).

what i'm curious about, and i've spoken to a few christians who've begun
witnessing a new mass-defection taking place largely due to the clearly
political/exploitative nature of many modern christian churches...

are these part of a common trend, or merely isolated incidences?

CMoore
09-26-2007, 01:08 PM
I am amazed at what good shape Dr. Paul is in. It is probably because he does exercise and takes care of himself. Actually he is probably in better shape physically than any of the other candidates. They all seem overfed and sluggish. Fred Thompson is probably the worst. He seems to always be wandering around in some sort of fog. Of course, I rarely see a picture of him without a Ron Paul sign in it. I have to laugh.

The Prince of Peace statement was particularly good. Very Episcopalian even though he is a Baptist.

trispear
09-26-2007, 01:12 PM
Washington D.C. needs adult supervision.

-paraphrasing Mike Gravel

mikelovesgod
09-26-2007, 01:14 PM
He is probably tired. That accounts for not being sharp. I constantly tired and have a phenomenal memory, but the moment I get really tired I can't remember simple nouns let alone how to articulate properly.

He's working overtime and frankly I feel horrible for him. He shouldn't have to work this so hard, all he needs is for the conservatives of this country to open their eyes that Fox News is not true conservativism and he'd win in a land-slide.

Paulitician
09-26-2007, 01:16 PM
He's probably very fatigued. I feel sorry for him :(

undergroundrr
09-26-2007, 01:40 PM
I've listened to about 100 hours of Paul interviews and speeches on ronpaulaudio.com. If Ron Paul has senility, please tell me how to get some.

Kregener
09-26-2007, 01:40 PM
...and not mention his anti-war centiment,

I assume you meant; "sentiment"?


...as he got all the joice out the anti-war rhetoric he is going to get...

"Juice"?

Soooo...based upon your post, many people could say YOU are losing it. Or at the very least, not particularly educated? I am not slamming you for a couple of simple spelling errors jblosser, just pointing out how some people could "interpret" it.

Ron Paul is certainly "not as sharp" as he was when he was 40. Neither am I (49), but he is a thinker and Constitutionalist PARSECS beyond any other candidate.

And we will not even compare him to the brainiac currently holding the office...

Hook
09-26-2007, 01:48 PM
I
And we will not even compare him to the brainiac currently holding the office...

True that!
Actually Ron isn't quite as quick on his feet as he was in the 80's, but still sharper than the rest of the clowns on the stage. Imagine him ripping the other candidates like he did on the Morton Downey show.

Bob Cochran
09-26-2007, 01:58 PM
Everything I've seen of Ron Paul indicates that he thinks more clearly and quickly than the vast majority of people at ANY age.

quickmike
09-26-2007, 02:00 PM
He's not losing it. No way. Since I've been reading and listening to this guy for well over 20 years, I can tell you, he hasn't lost his edge at all.

I do however wish that he would talk about something other than the war all the time. He badly needs to be discussing how government has gotten out of hand, how did we become a country who now thinks that for anything to be done, it has to be legislated at the federal level, the difference between real free trade and NAFTA, CAFTA, etc. and why they are dangerous, etc.

I agree. The war thing seperates him from the rest of the pseudo-republicans, which is good, but he needs to spend a little more time on things the independant and republican voters agree with him on.

Mani
09-26-2007, 02:04 PM
I WAS AT THE RALLY AT THE VALUE VOTER'S DEBATE.

We listened to the debate at the restaurant.

You have to understand that debate crowd, Ron Paul was hesitant about going in the first place because of some of his views, but he did great. He did not pander to the crowd but went with his true convictions even if it went against what the crowd WANTED TO HEAR.

The Yes/No part of the debate hurt because sometimes the panel asked loaded questions with only a yes/no format. Some of his yes/no answers offended the crowd.

He came in second in the straw poll, albeit a distant second. It was much better than he expected, and we RAISED $33K during the day while he was at the value voters debate, how many other candidates did that?

I spoke to people after they left the debate to get some feedback. Of course Huckabee won, you talk about "Preaching to the Choir" umm, that's an understatement.

Some people were offended when I mentioned, "Ron Paul" others politely declined, others thought he was alright. I was able to gather some value voters and moved them over to the rally a few blocks away. Many people declined but I didn't blame them, they had to work the next day and they were stuck in that building from 4:30 - 10:45! The debate went 2 hours late, it seemed disorganized.

Regardless, the value voters debate is a difficult crowd and they are very pro-war and anti-homosexual and anti gay marriage.

People who influence that audience portray Ron Paul as anti-American, anti-war, pro porn, pro gay marriages, etc.

Ron Paul did fantastic in his answers talking about, "The Prince of Peace", and "Why the heck do we need a license for marriage, that's between the people and the church!", and talking about individual rights not groups.

He did receive some great responses to those answers. He's not out of touch, just because he doesn't tell a particular audience what they want to hear, that makes me appreciate him even more. In a hostile environment, he'll still stand up for his beliefs, and I DID get feedback from some Value Voters that respected him for that.


Here is the speech at the rally after the debate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqQq53ZzgXA

Bob Cochran
09-26-2007, 02:04 PM
“I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live...................... and shut your f----n' mouth.” - Bill Hicks

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Cute. How 'bout I punch this Bill Hicks in HIS f----n' mouth? If it bothers him, then he can look around at the world in which we live and...well, you know.

Patriot
09-26-2007, 02:07 PM
As an examply, he said that he, RP, that is, didn't perform well at the value voters, because when was asked about Jesus, he could have just talked about Jesus and not mention his anti-war centiment, as he got all the joice out the anti-war rhetoric he is going to get and now he needs to get the "Jesus disciple" vote, something that, in my friend's opinion, he failed to do.

Tell you friend that Ron Paul says what he believes, not what he believes people want to hear.

Thurston Howell III
09-26-2007, 02:07 PM
Wait a minute. Your friend thinks Paul is getting senile because he doesn't say the things your friend thinks he should? I dare say Ron Paul knows a damn site more about what he wants to say than your friend. Tell him to get over himself. haha Good grief!

paulaholic
09-26-2007, 02:08 PM
I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live...................... and shut your f----n' mouth. - Bill Hicks

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Cute. How 'bout I punch this Bill Hicks in HIS f----n' mouth? If it bothers him, then he can look around at the world in which we live and...well, you know.

Umm... I'm speechless.

quickmike
09-26-2007, 02:21 PM
I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live...................... and shut your f----n' mouth. - Bill Hicks

_____

Cute. How 'bout I punch this Bill Hicks in HIS f----n' mouth? If it bothers him, then he can look around at the world in which we live and...well, you know.


Go for it!! I will say youve got your work cut out for you though since you will first have to dig him up, break open the casket and hope theres still a mouth left to punch. LOL

he died in 94

Akus
09-26-2007, 02:39 PM
I do however wish that he would talk about something other than the war all the time. He badly needs to be discussing how government has gotten out of hand, how did we become a country who now thinks that for anything to be done, it has to be legislated at the federal level, the difference between real free trade and NAFTA, CAFTA, etc. and why they are dangerous, etc.


See, eagle, that's what I'm talking about. He was asked about Jesus, and he should have talked about Jesus and nothing but Jesus, instead, he went back to the wat thing, when the question wasn't about the war.

Ron Paul Fan
09-26-2007, 02:47 PM
What exactly did you want him to say about Jesus? Jesus is good. Jesus promoted peace. I love Jesus. And the crowd goes wild!!!!!!! No, instead he said what Jesus meant to him and how it related to his message. I'm tired of people trying to tell him what he should say or say that he should dilute his message to appeal more to the crowd and pander to the crowd he's talking to! He's not like that and never will be. If he started pandering I guarantee you he would lose some of the base he's already gained, including some people on here. He's going to say what he genuinely feels and if you disagree with that then support someone else or run for President yourself.

Akus
09-26-2007, 02:51 PM
What exactly did you want him to say about Jesus? Jesus is good. Jesus promoted peace. I love Jesus. And the crowd goes wild!!!!!!!

Sometimes that's all you should say. So yes, I'd say exactly that. That's all these people want to hear. He is not pandering, he really is a Christian. And if asked about the way, sure, say you're against the war. Just find something else to wear on your sleeve. That's not pandering.

When I talk about RP to people, if I clearly see that they're left leaning, yeah, I mention his stand on the war. If I moreless see a good ole country boy, I go straight for the Jesus angle. And I never lie about his war position even if I am 100% certain that that person will never look at RP again.

Ron Paul Fan
09-26-2007, 03:32 PM
Sometimes that's all you should say. So yes, I'd say exactly that. That's all these people want to hear. He is not pandering, he really is a Christian. And if asked about the way, sure, say you're against the war. Just find something else to wear on your sleeve. That's not pandering.

When I talk about RP to people, if I clearly see that they're left leaning, yeah, I mention his stand on the war. If I moreless see a good ole country boy, I go straight for the Jesus angle. And I never lie about his war position even if I am 100% certain that that person will never look at RP again.

Let's put this into perspective. They were asked about the war before they were asked about Jesus. Right after Ron Paul talked about the war, Duncan hunter said to Dr. Paul, "Don't blame America first" which got a lot of cheers. Did you want him to not retaliate or respond to that cheap shot? Well, good thing Dr. Paul has better instincts and came back with a response in the very next question. He talked about Jesus being about peace and related his message to Christianity and the crowd. And I think he did a fine job at doing that. If you didn't want him to respond to Duncan Hunter's low blow then I don't know what's wrong with you.

Elwar
09-26-2007, 03:38 PM
Ron Paul should stress his anti-war stance throughout the whole primary. He is the only anti-war Republican. This is a huge advantage to him. If only 25% of Republicans voting are against the war...Ron Paul gets them all.

He could squibble about Jesus or spending with other Republicans and he might sway a few Republicans, but no other issue gets him so many votes as the war.

JosephTheLibertarian
09-26-2007, 03:47 PM
I was at this local republican circlejerk for lack of a better term. There were some RP supporters out there and one of them said that Ron Paul, because he's 72, is not as sharp as he used to be. He didn't mean he was losing his mind due to old age, more like that he is not in touch with his crowd.

As an examply, he said that he, RP, that is, didn't perform well at the value voters, because when was asked about Jesus, he could have just talked about Jesus and not mention his anti-war centiment, as he got all the juice out the anti-war rhetoric he is going to get and now he needs to get the "Jesus disciple" vote, something that, in my friend's opinion, he failed to do.

I was sad to hear that, especially realizing that yeah, the guy was born before WW2 and ain't exactly a spring chicken. What do you guys think.

the hell with jebus

Marceline88
09-26-2007, 04:02 PM
I find it really disturbing that the OP is insinuating that the war is the dirty little secret. Just Praise the Lord and let it go?? No way. It's the good Christians of the nation that need to wake up and realize what they have allowed to happen by endorsing this vengeful, fearful, unchrist-like behavior.

The War is the whole point, it proves how far we have moved off the mark.

Ron Paul isn't losing a damn thing, he isn't senile, he isn't going to pander.

ButchHowdy
09-26-2007, 04:53 PM
Moses was 80 when he helped HIS people out of bondage then he spent the next 40 years trekking to the promised land..

I'd sure like to try some of those manna mushrooms they were eating along the way!

libertarian4321
09-26-2007, 04:58 PM
I was at this local republican circlejerk for lack of a better term. There were some RP supporters out there and one of them said that Ron Paul, because he's 72, is not as sharp as he used to be. He didn't mean he was losing his mind due to old age, more like that he is not in touch with his crowd.

As an examply, he said that he, RP, that is, didn't perform well at the value voters, because when was asked about Jesus, he could have just talked about Jesus and not mention his anti-war centiment, as he got all the juice out the anti-war rhetoric he is going to get and now he needs to get the "Jesus disciple" vote, something that, in my friend's opinion, he failed to do.

I was sad to hear that, especially realizing that yeah, the guy was born before WW2 and ain't exactly a spring chicken. What do you guys think.

There are 8 other guys in the Republican race fighting over the "jesus" voters. Ron Paul has little to gain by trying to outpander the other 8 guys.

He has made his personal feelings on religion known. Thats enough.

He doesn't want to get into an "I love Jesus more than you do" contest with 8 other Republicans, especially when one of them (Huckaby) is a preacher.

Nathan Hale
09-26-2007, 06:48 PM
As an examply, he said that he, RP, that is, didn't perform well at the value voters, because when was asked about Jesus, he could have just talked about Jesus and not mention his anti-war centiment, as he got all the juice out the anti-war rhetoric he is going to get and now he needs to get the "Jesus disciple" vote, something that, in my friend's opinion, he failed to do.


While I don't think that he's too old, the uncalled-for interjection of his anti-war position IS a problem. I've seen him do it numerous times. Dude, you're trying to appeal to the GOP - talk about your f*cking domestic policy. Talk about healthcare. Talk about immigration. Talk about spending. But no, it's always foreign policy, with the exception of speaking about tyranny at home.

He has great angles, but he needs to hold off on some of them until the general election. Right now he needs to win over the GOP, and in order to do that he needs to focus on the places where he agrees with the GOP voters - i.e. taxes and spending.