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JPFromTally
09-26-2007, 11:47 AM
His Last Week of 3Q Campaign has raised $369K according to his website... Ours is $353K.

How is this possible? I just gave another $100.

Mr. White
09-26-2007, 11:51 AM
does it say online fundraising?

erowe1
09-26-2007, 11:51 AM
You're right, that's pretty unexpected. Is it possible that Richardson's number includes all contributions and Paul's only includes online ones?

Syren123
09-26-2007, 11:52 AM
It's a scary world when a person like Bill Richardson can raise even a dollar.

born2drv
09-26-2007, 11:53 AM
Hmmm.... I bet western union has been getting a lot of transfers to send to richardson... seems those illegals really don't want to be deported ;)

Ron Paul Fan
09-26-2007, 11:55 AM
When did he start though? We started in the afternoon on Monday. He could have started on Sunday for all we know. I couldn't find on the website when their fundraising surge started.

njandrewg
09-26-2007, 11:56 AM
Richardson raised 7 million in the 2nd Quarter...so not really surprising he has the 1mm goal

ronpaulyourmom
09-26-2007, 11:57 AM
We were well ahead of him this morning, but today he launched a new ad campaign in New Hampshire. His also doesn't update dynamically and may have had lots of left-over yesterday that hadn't been factored in.

I think he may have started his a day earlier than us, because I recall us being far behind him two days ago. I have no doubt we'll pass the man on Friday, if not sooner.

Bill's poll numbers have been climbing btw

mwkaufman
09-26-2007, 11:59 AM
It doesn't really make sense to compare between political parties. Also, I don't feel Richardson is way off on the issues, but it's real scary to look at "Issues" on his website and see Taxation mentioned nowhere.

Zydeco
09-26-2007, 12:01 PM
CFR money! :eek:

libertythor
09-26-2007, 12:02 PM
He is a race baiter.

Perry
09-26-2007, 12:08 PM
It's a scary world when a person like Bill Richardson can raise even a dollar.

Unlike most of the candidates i believe Richardson is a caring individual. Most people don't understand politics/law so they choose the candidate they trust. Even though i disagree with him politically it bothers me much less that he would get donations then someone like Hillary or Giuliani.

Syren123
09-26-2007, 12:19 PM
Unlike most of the candidates i believe Richardson is a caring individual. Most people don't understand politics/law so they choose the candidate they trust. Even though i disagree with him politically it bothers me much less that he would get donations then someone like Hillary or Giuliani.

Oh I totally agree about Hillary and Giuliani...but we know there exists an evil underworld that spawns and feeds these types of demons. It's the minor gremlins - the ones who haven't completely gone over to the dark side - like Richardson I don't get. And I disagree with you - I think he's an opportunistic anti-American race baiter.

jj111
09-26-2007, 12:22 PM
The least we have to worry about is Richardson.

lynnf
09-26-2007, 12:24 PM
His Last Week of 3Q Campaign has raised $369K according to his website... Ours is $353K.

How is this possible? I just gave another $100.

Democrats are generally outraising Republicans at this time, so no surprise.

lynn

libertythor
09-26-2007, 12:25 PM
What is scary about him is the "I am the candidate for Latinos" mantra. I know plenty of hispanics that are offended by that though.

HalogenFlood
09-26-2007, 12:27 PM
I can't believe he's using a hot pepper for the meter! Did anyone else find this a bit, well, weird? Considering he's been pandering to the hispanic vote I guess it's not such a huge surprise, but it does seem a little stereotypical.

mavtek
09-26-2007, 12:50 PM
I like his ask Bill thing on his website! I asked him this

"Bill are you a member of the Council on Foreign Relations? Also did you enjoy your time at the Bohemian Grove?"

Corydoras
09-26-2007, 05:11 PM
I can't believe he's using a hot pepper for the meter! Did anyone else find this a bit, well, weird? Considering he's been pandering to the hispanic vote I guess it's not such a huge surprise, but it does seem a little stereotypical.

No, not Mexican, it's NEW Mexican... the hot pepper is the mascot edible vegetation for New Mexico, like the pineapple for Hawaii or the peach for Georgia or the apple for New York City... but not as well known, as your reaction illustrates. A poor choice on his campaign's part, to be too regional.

Eli
09-26-2007, 05:12 PM
no, we raised 350k in TWO days. not the last week.

RP08
09-26-2007, 05:22 PM
You should see how much Richardson has raised in MY state (New Mexico -- where he's the Governor), and compare it to Ron Paul's donations from here. It's truly shocking.

http://opensecrets.org/pres08/presstatetots.asp?State=NM

NM Raised (I believe up to q2 2k7)

Richardson $4,141,983
Paul ................$11,400


People rootin' for "the home team" with dollars, but Richardson really isn't all that good for us :(

erowe1
09-26-2007, 05:23 PM
no, we raised 350k in TWO days. not the last week.

Eli, these 2 days are part of the last week, i.e. the last week of the quarter. Richardson's thing is for the same week as Paul's. But as some people have observed, his may have started a day earlier.

richard1984
09-26-2007, 05:27 PM
Hmmm.... I bet western union has been getting a lot of transfers to send to richardson... seems those illegals really don't want to be deported ;)

Ha! They're just sending him their welfare checks.... :rolleyes:

ItsTime
09-26-2007, 05:29 PM
what is the link?

JosephTheLibertarian
09-26-2007, 05:31 PM
I never saw a Richardson supporter

itsnobody
09-26-2007, 05:38 PM
Man Bill Richardson is killing us from his website (http://www.richardsonforpresident.com/ ) it says he's raised $525,650 this week

JosephTheLibertarian
09-26-2007, 05:40 PM
Man Bill Richardson is killing us from his website (http://www.richardsonforpresident.com/ ) it says he's raised $525,650 this week

killing us? THIS WEEK.. it took him a week to raise that much, only a few days to reach 400k for us

MozoVote
09-26-2007, 05:42 PM
I can't imagine Richardson winning. He is the Democratic flip side of Tancredo. He won't be able to assemble a wide enough coalition to win. He may be very influential in the final Dem platform, though.

And he's just too goofy looking to win nationally anyway, no matter what party nominated him. I know that sounds shallow, but I think a lot of voters silently want a "presidential looking" president. Same thing is true of Kucinich.

ItsTime
09-26-2007, 05:42 PM
it doesnt say online only either

itsnobody
09-26-2007, 05:43 PM
killing us? THIS WEEK.. it took him a week to raise that much, only a few days to reach 400k for us

Isn't it the same thing? He raised that much so far this week...

JosephTheLibertarian
09-26-2007, 05:44 PM
Isn't it the same thing? He raised that much so far this week...

it doesn't say "so far this week" it just says so far.......

ItsTime
09-26-2007, 05:45 PM
it doesn't say "so far this week" it just says so far.......

haha so basicly it says "so far...." AND it doesnt say online only....

itsnobody
09-26-2007, 05:45 PM
it doesn't say "so far this week" it just says so far.......

Well I'd assume it means this week, and online only, but I don't know, it could be overall and including offline donations...

Phil M
09-26-2007, 05:46 PM
He's been raising a lot of money for a while.

I can't understand the Richardson hatred here, he's probably the second or third best choice for libertarians. And don't tell me "he's a member of the CFR, therefore he's the devil incarnate and eats small children."

JosephTheLibertarian
09-26-2007, 05:48 PM
He's been raising a lot of money for a while.

I can't understand the Richardson hatred here, he's probably the second or third best choice for libertarians. And don't tell me "he's a member of the CFR, therefore he's the devil incarnate and eats small children."

ha? if RP weren't in the race, I'd be voting for the LP nominee... as would most libertarians. Actually, I probably wouldn't even be voting lol

MozoVote
09-26-2007, 05:48 PM
Richardson was VERY slow to support medicinal cannabis. He won't win over the Libertarians.

Phil M
09-26-2007, 05:50 PM
ha? if RP weren't in the race, I'd be voting for the LP nominee... as would most libertarians. Actually, I probably wouldn't even be voting lol

I meant of the major party candidates. I'd take drab, boring George Phillies any day over Bill Richardson, but of the candidates who have a serious chance of winning, Richardson is second or third.

BenIsForRon
09-26-2007, 05:53 PM
Bill Richardson is just as bad as Hillary. Watch him on the debate tonight. He doesn't say what he believes (if he believes anything), he says what he thinks voters want to hear. He's dumber than the rest of the candidates too. I doubt that fund raising number on his website is just from online votes.

JosephTheLibertarian
09-26-2007, 05:53 PM
I meant of the major party candidates. I'd take drab, boring George Phillies any day over Bill Richardson, but of the candidates who have a serious chance of winning, Richardson is second or third.

"serious chance of winning" you should, win or lose, go with your candidate

BillyDkid
09-26-2007, 05:54 PM
We were well ahead of him this morning, but today he launched a new ad campaign in New Hampshire. His also doesn't update dynamically and may have had lots of left-over yesterday that hadn't been factored in.

I think he may have started his a day earlier than us, because I recall us being far behind him two days ago. I have no doubt we'll pass the man on Friday, if not sooner.

Bill's poll numbers have been climbing btwDoesn't this raise the question - Why didn't we launch a new campaign ad in New Hampshire??? etc.

JosephTheLibertarian
09-26-2007, 05:55 PM
the free state project better be lobbying for Ron Paul

Phil M
09-26-2007, 05:57 PM
Meh, I take it back. Political Compass shows Hillary Clinton as being significantly more libertarian than Richardson:

http://politicalcompass.org/usprimaries2007


"serious chance of winning" you should, win or lose, go with your candidate

Definitely.

JosephTheLibertarian
09-26-2007, 06:13 PM
Meh, I take it back. Political Compass shows Hillary Clinton as being significantly more libertarian than Richardson:

http://politicalcompass.org/usprimaries2007



Definitely.

yeah.. if your candidate doesn't abandon your beliefs, why should you abandon your candidate? that's my rationale

Mastiff
09-26-2007, 07:17 PM
Meh, I take it back. Political Compass shows Hillary Clinton as being significantly more libertarian than Richardson:

http://politicalcompass.org/usprimaries2007



Definitely.

What's up with political compass? That thing makes no sense to me at all. ALL the republicans are more authoritarian than ALL the democrats? Give me a break. Socialized single payer medicine and one world global warming enforcing government are libertarian? Not to mention generalized economic socialism and over regulation, no gun rights, on and on. That thing has no credibility to me at all.

Phil M
09-26-2007, 07:28 PM
What's up with political compass? That thing makes no sense to me at all. ALL the republicans are more authoritarian than ALL the democrats? Give me a break. Socialized single payer medicine and one world global warming enforcing government are libertarian? Not to mention generalized economic socialism and over regulation, no gun rights, on and on. That thing has no credibility to me at all.

I've often thought the same thing. The question on art for example; somehow if you don't like abstract art you are authoritarian and want to outlaw it.

ross11988
09-26-2007, 07:30 PM
CFR money! :eek:

Bohemian Grove Money

dircha
09-26-2007, 07:56 PM
What's up with political compass? That thing makes no sense to me at all. ALL the republicans are more authoritarian than ALL the democrats? Give me a break. Socialized single payer medicine and one world global warming enforcing government are libertarian? Not to mention generalized economic socialism and over regulation, no gun rights, on and on. That thing has no credibility to me at all.

Honestly, don't pay attention to that BS site. It's just run by some schmucks looking for consulting money and personal aggrandizement.

What gives it away is that despite what they would like you to believe by the claims plastered over all over their site, the method is not original, it is not their idea, and unless someone blatantly copies their exact image or questions, they have no "intellectual property" claims whatsoever against someone using multi-axis political graphs or questionnaire scoring methodologies.

runderwo
09-26-2007, 08:04 PM
LOL, Huckabee's trying to compete ;-)

http://www.mikehuckabee.com/index.cfm?FuseAction=Blogs.View&Blog_id=416

Since Sept. 18 even...

MozoVote
09-26-2007, 08:08 PM
Hahah that Huckabee blog post is funny, people are talking about Paul in it.

I don't think BuddyMapping is a good idea for Huckabee's site. It gets real slow to load as pins are added.

At least Pauls' is more live-time feeling. You can sense the money whizzing in.

stevedasbach
09-26-2007, 08:15 PM
LOL, Huckabee's trying to compete ;-)

http://www.mikehuckabee.com/index.cfm?FuseAction=Blogs.View&Blog_id=416

Since Sept. 18 even...

They said there were about 100 contributors pre page -- there are only 5 pages. That's 500 max. Not looking too good for Mike to get 2500 by the end of the month.

And what kind of official campaign site allows posts by the opposition? Weird.

dircha
09-26-2007, 08:15 PM
LOL, Huckabee's trying to compete ;-)

http://www.mikehuckabee.com/index.cfm?FuseAction=Blogs.View&Blog_id=416

Since Sept. 18 even...

Hah! "I like MIke".

Not a chance, Huckabee. The real Ike got us out of the unpopular Korean War, but MIke wants to keep us in the unpopular Iraq War and get us into Iran.

runderwo
09-26-2007, 08:16 PM
The best part is all the Jesus voters saying he has a "flawless" voting record. I guess my definition of "flawless" is quite different from theirs...

cjhowe
09-26-2007, 09:55 PM
Richardson does well with the older crowd because of his foreign affairs and executive experience. If he was a better speaker and didn't stumble over himself, he'd be doing much better.