WorldNetDaily and Birthers Wrong, Again

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Y'all probably see the birth certificate showing Obama was born in Africa here and trumped on WeirdNutDaily:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=202648

Well, looks like it is a load of BS (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2306755/posts):


It has several clues, but also there's this question:

Who is E. F. Lavender?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=earth+friendly+lavender&aq=f&oq=&aqi

Earth Friendly Lavender detergent?

also:


Then there's the certificate number 47044;

47 = current age of Obama

0 = O = Obama

44 = 44th President

Everyone who thought this was real got taken for a ride.

[BenIsForRon]

The birthers keep shooting themselves in the foot with shit like this. They are leagues worse than truthers.

[dannno]

E.F. Lavender is a real person, not just a detergent. I don't know whether or not that is relevant to the birth certificate.

I have no idea if the number is a coincidence or what.

I never took that certificate for being real, but no real proof that it isn't yet either.

[literatim]

You know Lavender is a real surname, right?

[RonPaulFanInGA]

You know Lavender is a real surname, right?

You know WorldNetDaily is not a credible source, right?

[literatim]

You know WorldNetDaily is not a credible source, right?

It's a news site and they are reporting on the document that Orly Taitz, a lawyer representing Major Stephan Cook, released to the public. But by means, show me how this news article isn't credible.

[BenIsForRon]

Look at their history, they are shameless.

[pcosmar]

Free Republic??


Haha heheeheee

talk about your incredible source :rolleyes:

[brandon]

Then there's the certificate number 47044;

47 = current age of Obama

0 = O = Obama

44 = 44th President

Everyone who thought this was real got taken for a ride.

lmao at "skeptics" using numerology to disprove something.

[brandon]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=2244030#post2244030

[specsaregood]

lmao at "skeptics" using numerology to disprove something.

Now thats funny.

[literatim]

lmao at "skeptics" using numerology to disprove something.

Next we will see people using astrology to prove that humans are causing global warming

[max]

You know WorldNetDaily is not a credible source, right?

and CNN ABC CBS NBC are??????

think 4 yourself and ask yourself...WHY HAS A BIRTH CERTIFICATE NEVER BEEN RELEASED????

[pcosmar]

and CNN ABC CBS NBC are??????

think 4 yourself and ask yourself...WHY HAS A BIRTH CERTIFICATE NEVER BEEN RELEASED????

I do find it interesting that so much time energy and money has been spent on suppressing it's release.

Not relevant in the long run. just one more piece of the shit pie.

[Stary Hickory]

Lord is the best that they can come up with? I am all for refuting it if it's false, but the OP's thread ought to be tossed into hot topics where it belongs. There is not one ounce of evidence suggesting that the BC in questions is false. Come back when you really have something to add to the issue.

The title is misleading and false. Why is this tolerated? If you have some real info please do share, but this shameless stuff is just more smoke and mirrors. Like I have said before the Anti-birther crowd is a bit hysterical here.

[Optatron]

You know WorldNetDaily is not a credible source, right?

they're not???

what IS a credible source then? Wikipedia? Drudge report? Pajamas Media?

[RideTheDirt]

then there's the certificate number 47044;

47 = current age of obama

0 = o = obama

44 = 44th president

everyone who thought this was real got taken for a ride.
lol @ numerology.

[Stary Hickory]

they're not???

what IS a credible source then? Wikipedia? Drudge report? Pajamas Media?

It must be the MSM, they would never lie to us.

[Stary Hickory]

http://www.whitepages.com/search/FindPerson?firstname_begins_with=1&firstname=E&name=lavender&where

[RideTheDirt]

http://www.whitepages.com/search/FindPerson?firstname_begins_with=1&firstname=E&name=lavender&where

stary beat me to it.

[Original_Intent]

You know WorldNetDaily is not a credible source, right?

Yes and CNN is when they declare falsely that the original birth certificate was destroyed when Hawaii went electronic in 2001.

Your OP neither proves or disproves anything. some oddball correlation could have been found for any number...Obama's shoe size, Michelle's dress size, somebady's birth month, Obama's IQ, Obama's IQ minus George Bush's IQ (essentially same as Obama's IQ), etc etc. Somebody makes a correlation to the BC number and some data and that is proof of a hoax???

Give me a break.

edit: Oh yeah almost forgot -

Why does Obama refuse to release his long form birth certificate?

[RonPaulFanInGA]

It is kind of funny watching some of you guys twist and turn into pretzels trying to keep the faith alive on this bogus birth certificate.

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Look at their history, they are shameless.

Yep. A lot of misguided conservatives still believe in WeirdNutDaily though.

[Matt Collins]

http://barefootandprogressive.blogspot.com/2009/08/more-birther-fun-and-fineprint.html (http://barefootandprogressive.blogspot.com/2009/08/more-birther-fun-and-fineprint.html)



At Fancy Farm, I asked Republican Senate candidate Rand Paul if President Obama was born in the United States and he said he "didn't know". Yes, Rand Paul is a birther.

[Njon]

As I pointed out at http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=2242943&postcount=39 that E.F. Lavender name doesn't necessarily mean anything suspect. Others say the name is not uncommon; see http://www.dailypaul.com/node/101764#comment-1116088 and http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/08/01/wall-street-journal-via-james-taranto-continue-propaganda-lies/#comment-7956 and http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/08/01/wall-street-journal-via-james-taranto-continue-propaganda-lies/#comment-7965

[Njon]

You know WorldNetDaily is not a credible source, right?

Wait a second.

You posted a link from The Wall Street Journal at http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=202305 as if it authoritatively ended this whole matter, yet it ended up containing at least one egregious error (an error that they have apparently refused to acknowledge) --- see http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/07/31/wall-street-journal-caught-spreading-false-legal-propaganda-via-james-taranto/ and http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/08/01/wall-street-journal-via-james-taranto-continue-propaganda-lies/ --- and you're saying that WorldNetDaily is not credible?

No media source is infallible, but I'll take WorldNetDaily over The Wall Street Journal most any day.

[Njon]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=2244030#post2244030

That was hilarious.

[Stary Hickory]

That was hilarious.

And yet that ends up in hot topics and this thread stays.....isn't that odd

[Stary Hickory]

And I ask again why is the pathetic Anti-Birther thread still not in hot topics? It's whole premise was false, and the title misleading.

Just trying to figure out the pattern here, rational post about Obama's background STRAIGHT to hot topics, but disingenuous anti-birhter post that misrepresents itself, and offers nothing but nonsense...stays for serious discussion.

[literatim]

A newspaper from 1961 calling Kenya the Republic of Kenya.

http://chillicothe.newspaperarchive.com/PdfViewer.aspx?img=114412159&src=browse

[Njon]

A newspaper from 1961 calling Kenya the Republic of Kenya.

http://chillicothe.newspaperarchive.com/PdfViewer.aspx?img=114412159&src=browse

Good catch.

For anyone else who wants to see it: the relevant quote appears under the caption "HAROLD W. YOUNG IS A COLLEGE CLUB OFFICER."

It says, "The last two men, Mr. Okatcha and Mr. Olindo, are natives of the East African Republic of Kenya."

[BlackTerrel]

I'm pretty confident the document is false but the OP doesn't prove anything. You can mix numbers like that any way you want, and these numerology folk usually do.

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Our old pal David Weigel does a good job:

http://washingtonindependent.com/53494/birthers-latch-onto-forged-kenyan-birth-certificate


On Sunday night, the online community of “birthers” erupted after Orly Taitz released a photo of a “Kenyan birth certificate” for Barack Obama. The “birther” movement quickly divided between the credulous — people who believed that the new certificate was genuine — and skeptics who believed that their movement was being taken for a ride.

This story needs a little bit of prelude. Last year, as the bloggers at ObamaConspiracy remember, Philip Berg included an obviously forged birth certificate with his lawsuit against the Democratic National Committee. (The certificate was Canadian and signed by “Dudley Do-Right.”) Foreign birth certificates, unlike, say, American passports, are prime targets for forgery — few people stateside know what the real ones look like, and the penalties for forging them are basically non-existent.

So here it is: the “certified copy of registration of birth” that Orly Taitz obtained and is submitting as evidence in her lawsuit on behalf of Alan Keyes. The most obvious problems:

- It records Barack Obama Sr’s age as “26.” Obama Sr was born in 1936; his son was born in 1961.

- Its publication date is February 17, 1964, but it purports be a document of the “Republic of Kenya.” Kenya did not become a Republic until December 12, 1964, a year after it won independence from Great Britain.

- It’s signed by “registrar E.F. Lavender.” Earth Friendly Lavender is a kind of detergent, and government officials who use vanity initials on official documents are, to put it mildly, rare.

- The kicker? The image is part of the extremely ill-informed conspiracy theory that Obama was born in Mombasa—conveniently, one of the more Muslim parts of the country.

This has always been a red flag for conspiracy theorists, so it deserves some explanation. Barack Obama Sr. was born and educated in Nyanza Province, in southwestern Kenya, on Lake Victoria. This is the area where Obama’s family lived and continues to live; Sarah Obama, the step-grandmother of the president, lives in Nyang’oma Kogelo, a small town in the province. But Mombasa is a city on the Indian Ocean, a thousand miles to the east. It didn’t even have an international airport until 1979. And the city wasn’t even part of Kenya when the future president was born. Mombasa was a part of Zanzibar until December 12, 1963, when it became part of the newly independent Kenya.

The new forgery? Why, it claims that the president was born in Coast General Hospital in Mombasa.

- As some FreeRepublic posters have pointed out, the document contains a number that’s either a humorous coincidence or a wink by the forger. It’s number 47,044. Barack Obama, 47 years old, is the 44th president of the United States.

So what’s the likeliest story here? One popular theory right now is that the document was faked to discredit the “birther” movement. That wouldn’t be surprising: another document that circulated over the weekend was a “certificate of birth” from “Kenya colony,” and its creator tipped his hand, telling readers that it was a “work of parody.”

[literatim]

- Its publication date is February 17, 1964, but it purports be a document of the “Republic of Kenya.” Kenya did not become a Republic until December 12, 1964, a year after it won independence from Great Britain.

Kenya became a republic on December 12, 1963 when it ratified its constitution. It didn't become recognized by Britain until December 12, 1964. It referred to itself as the Republic of Kenya long before it even ratified its constitution while it tried to win its independence. It became known as the Dominion of Kenya to Britain in 1963 because Britain refused to acknowledge its independence despite their claim to it.

Here is a 1961 American newspaper referring to Kenya as the Republic of Kenya.

http://chillicothe.newspaperarchive.com/PdfViewer.aspx?img=114412159&src=browse


It’s signed by “registrar E.F. Lavender.” Earth Friendly Lavender is a kind of detergent, and government officials who use vanity initials on official documents are, to put it mildly, rare.

Lavender is a British surname and British officials used initials on documents. And no, E.F. Lavender is not a detergent. Earth Friendly ECOS, Lavender scent, is a laundry detergent.