GOP to dump Birthers like they dumped Birchers

[Matt Collins]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/25625.html

[dannno]

Propaganda not going to happen.

[Vessol]

Honestly, people got to choose their fight. the birther debate, while having merit, is over-all unconstructive and detrimental.

[lynnf]

Propaganda not going to happen.


right, the article laments the lack of a central party leader to do the booting, so
it's just wishful thinking. and more of the ilk of "don't pay attention to the man behind the curtain" as seen in the "Wizard of Oz" (1939).

as a matter of fact, the more I see these days, the more I realize we're not in
Kansas anymore - we've been transported from the country we used to know and
love to the warped land of Oz, complete with wicked witches and bumbling wizards.
maybe the birchers were right about the fluoride in the water.... everyone's become stupid from it.

lynn

[dannno]

Honestly, people got to choose their fight. the birther debate, while having merit, is over-all unconstructive and detrimental.

How is it unconstructive if Obama is being blackmailed over this by the establishment? Or others? This case could potentially expose a lot more than just a birthplace.

[Stary Hickory]

I am about to dump Ron Paul Forums if I read one more post like this. You just posted 43% of Republicans believe Obama was born in Kenya in another article.

So Republicans will dump 43% of their base and take in people in the Ron Paul forums to make up for it? Yah I hear you. Truly these forums have descended into a cesspit. Really I don't know how else to tell you this in any more kind way...stop worrying about what other people do and do not talk about, they are free men and women, and they have every right to seek out what they want.

Yet again another useless post trying to convince people to not worry about whether Obama is legit or not. I am serious this krap is not helping Ron Paul gain steam...I have been an avid supporter and my support is waning, because I am starting to dislike the types of people associated with Ron Paul forums. I have been getting people to actually look into the movement, but then when an issue like this comes up and I start seeing some real bias it totally destroys your credibility.

There is no end to the GOP hate, and posts bashing them.....I am starting to see a pattern. And although I have no love for the GOP, I do notice the disparity. It looks as like a lot of conservative/libertarians will have to find another banner to rally behind. This one is tainted. The truth ought to be sought regardless of political party.

Before, this place never seemed like the place to bury the truth. When the next election s roll around people ought to know the truth about this...they deserve to know if a president lied about hi background to become president, and they deserve to know the truth about the other candidate as well.

[FrankRep]

In Defense of the John Birch Society (http://www.jbs.org/) -



Yes, they argued that Ike Eisenhower was a Commie.


Congressman Larry McDonald, JBS President, in a 1983 interview stated the John Birch society (http://www.jbs.org/) never called Eisenhower a Communist. The JBS never took a position on the issue, it's only a strawman.



Larry McDonald on the New World Order (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3100752722910819372)



This is where they're pulling the JBS/Eisenhower comment, out of Context.

Robert Welch, the JBS president, wrote an unpublished manuscript stating the shortcomings of Eisenhower.

http://www.shopjbs.org/index.php/books/the-politician.html

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[Sandra]

I am about to dump Ron Paul Forums if I read one more post like this. You just posted 43% of Republicans believe Obama was born in Kenya in another article.

So Republicans will dump 43% of their base and take in people in the Ron Paul forums to make up for it? Yah I hear you. Truly these forums have descended into a cesspit. Really I don't know how else to tell you this in any more kind way...stop worrying about what other people do and do not talk about, they are free men and women, and they have every right to seek out what they want.

Yet again another useless post trying to convince people to not worry about whether Obama is legit or not. I am serious this krap is not helping Ron Paul gain steam...I have been an avid supporter and my support is waning, because I am starting to dislike the types of people associated with Ron Paul forums. I have been getting people to actually look into the movement, but then when an issue like this comes up and I start seeing some real bias it totally destroys your credibility.

There is no end to the GOP hate, and posts bashing them.....I am starting to see a pattern. And although I have no love for the GOP, I do notice the disparity. It looks as like a lot of conservative/libertarians will have to find another banner to rally behind. This one is tainted. The truth ought to be sought regardless of political party.

Before, this place never seemed like the place to bury the truth. When the next election s roll around people ought to know the truth about this...they deserve to know if a president lied about hi background to become president, and they deserve to know the truth about the other candidate as well.

You came along in JANUARY OF 2009 to show your support of Ron Paul? Thank you for your seven months. Where were you when the campaign was on? Hmmmmmm. Adios.

[Sandra]

How can anyone even compare Birch to birtherts? Are you guys insane?

[max]

Birchers and birthers have one thing in common....they scare the Establishment, something the likes of Bill Buckley and today's media-approved "conservatives" never did!

Whenever the elites get nervous, they ALWAYS play the...."ring wing extremists conspiracy theorist" card.

WHY CAN"T WE SEE THE BLOODY BIRTH CERTIFICATE!

[Mrs.Joe]

Why is it, when a question is asked..a question that is legitimate, we are called conspiracy theorists?? They love making anyone that questions into a nutjob..its just sad when the people that defend the constitution say its not a big deal where he was born.

[LibertyEagle]

Why is it, when a question is asked..a question that is legitimate, we are called conspiracy theorists?? They love making anyone that questions into a nutjob..its just sad when the people that defend the constitution say its not a big deal where he was born.

The ADL and the Southern Poverty Law Center has been using that technique for many years. It has proven to be successful.

[eOs]

I am about to dump Ron Paul Forums if I read one more post like this. You just posted 43% of Republicans believe Obama was born in Kenya in another article.

So Republicans will dump 43% of their base and take in people in the Ron Paul forums to make up for it? Yah I hear you. Truly these forums have descended into a cesspit. Really I don't know how else to tell you this in any more kind way...stop worrying about what other people do and do not talk about, they are free men and women, and they have every right to seek out what they want.

Yet again another useless post trying to convince people to not worry about whether Obama is legit or not. I am serious this krap is not helping Ron Paul gain steam...I have been an avid supporter and my support is waning, because I am starting to dislike the types of people associated with Ron Paul forums. I have been getting people to actually look into the movement, but then when an issue like this comes up and I start seeing some real bias it totally destroys your credibility.

There is no end to the GOP hate, and posts bashing them.....I am starting to see a pattern. And although I have no love for the GOP, I do notice the disparity. It looks as like a lot of conservative/libertarians will have to find another banner to rally behind. This one is tainted. The truth ought to be sought regardless of political party.

Before, this place never seemed like the place to bury the truth. When the next election s roll around people ought to know the truth about this...they deserve to know if a president lied about hi background to become president, and they deserve to know the truth about the other candidate as well.


I'm with this guy. I'm sick of people on this forum trying to hush up people because it "doesn't look good for the movement!" Fuck you! People have the right to pursue the truth in any matter of this nature. And if you get your panties in a bunch over some talking head on CNN making fun of birthers and truthers, than that's your problem.

[tonesforjonesbones]

I am about to dump Ron Paul Forums if I read one more post like this. You just posted 43% of Republicans believe Obama was born in Kenya in another article.

So Republicans will dump 43% of their base and take in people in the Ron Paul forums to make up for it? Yah I hear you. Truly these forums have descended into a cesspit. Really I don't know how else to tell you this in any more kind way...stop worrying about what other people do and do not talk about, they are free men and women, and they have every right to seek out what they want.

Yet again another useless post trying to convince people to not worry about whether Obama is legit or not. I am serious this krap is not helping Ron Paul gain steam...I have been an avid supporter and my support is waning, because I am starting to dislike the types of people associated with Ron Paul forums. I have been getting people to actually look into the movement, but then when an issue like this comes up and I start seeing some real bias it totally destroys your credibility.

There is no end to the GOP hate, and posts bashing them.....I am starting to see a pattern. And although I have no love for the GOP, I do notice the disparity. It looks as like a lot of conservative/libertarians will have to find another banner to rally behind. This one is tainted. The truth ought to be sought regardless of political party.

Before, this place never seemed like the place to bury the truth. When the next election s roll around people ought to know the truth about this...they deserve to know if a president lied about hi background to become president, and they deserve to know the truth about the other candidate as well.

I have to agree with this poster...the remenent that is left on this forum seem to come to libertarianism from the left ...not from the right. I have noticed that for a long time. They adhere to the Gospel of Huffington...and dispise Fox News. I believe that the Birchers ARE Birthers. TOnes

[LibertyEagle]

Tones, think about this. If what you say is true, they will be GLAD if you leave. Do you want to make them happy? Think about it.

[Stary Hickory]

You came along in JANUARY OF 2009 to show your support of Ron Paul? Thank you for your seven months. Where were you when the campaign was on? Hmmmmmm. Adios.

I did not vote for McCain or Obama, that is where I was. I followed Ron Paul to some degree, but he did not even last the primaries. This is the thiing, inside the GOP are many libertarians, those that listen to what the GOP say instead of watching what they do.

This movement has..or maybe had a chance of picking up a lot of momentum. I don't see it happening though with the dedicated GOP bashing, I understand it to a point. I even go along with it, I'd vote Democrat if they were not just about 95% socialists. I only require consistency, if someone breaks a law I want the right to look into it. Whether that be a Democrat or Republican or even Libertarian.

So I mean you can turn away potential supporters if you like. But like I have said I have been one of the ones working to bring Ron Paul into the mainstream, amongst my family and on the internet where I could. I come here to read som good posts and learn the issues and instead of that I get to read how people interested in the background of Obama are "crazy" and "fringe" and evil or what have you. So I reply to a couple of these posts and just leave the forums in disgust.

If these birther posts were allowed to simply be like any other topic, I might pop my head in and read what is going on and then move on to other topics. Or I might not be in the mood that day. It just makes no sense to chase people off the forums and out of the movement like this, the MSM seems dishonest by attacking people looking into Obama's backgorund, and that means these forums look exactly the same way when they do this.

The anti-birther movement is killing the Ron Paul movement, they are the ones in a panic. And why? Ron Paul did not even vote on the matter and is not trying to prevent people from pursuing it. If nothing else we will have the facts layed out. If the crazy anti-birther would quit freaking out this issue could very well exhaust itself and go away. But I guarantee it will never go away if people try to restrict other people's ability to discuss it.

[pacelli]

I am about to dump Ron Paul Forums if I read one more post like this. You just posted 43% of Republicans believe Obama was born in Kenya in another article.


That's the whole point of this propaganda. Divide the political fringe to make us ineffective.

[Flash]

Our enemy will attack us no matter what. It would be stupid not to jump on this Birth Certificate issue and attack Obama. Anything that wakes people up to what is going on is a good thing.

[Stary Hickory]

That's the whole point of this propaganda. Divide the political fringe to make us ineffective.

Well why facilitate this on these forums? I mean the real frustrating thing I can find videos like the Kenyan Ambassador on you tube, and the Obama's grandma. I hear all sorts of things like 39 SS#s and really I am simply like whats up with this? There are legitimate reasons for people to have interest in this question.

Every article that I hear refuting the information say only that the one document that he provided is enough...when it can be obtained for a variety of reasons. The best way to keep the movement united is to respect people's interest in the issue and let it a lone. We are talking about a serving President who has sealed his past from scrutiny refused to cooperate with people, and who used money and an executive order to do all this. Why? I mean the question is valid....and remains so.

If you want to help quell the "birther" movement then provide information refuting what is posted. But this frenzy and panic are only there because the establishment cannot refute the birther movement. It's typical when they are afraid of what might be discovered they denounce it as blasphemy and insane. Like the Catholic Church back in the day.....you could be labled a heretic.

This type of behavior leads me to believe they are afraid of something. So why bring it here to these forums? Just calmly let it come and go. If it stays...maybe there is something to it. Anyways, like I said when the next elections roll around I want to know what is going on with the candidates.

[Stary Hickory]

Our enemy will attack us no matter what. It would be stupid not to jump on this Birth Certificate issue and attack Obama. Anything that wakes people up to what is going on is a good thing.

Dude I just want the truth. I don't care if it's GOP or Democrat. I am tired of the lies. I mean if it's true and he was arrogant enough to believe he could like and commit fraud and then use his fraudulently obtained power to cover it all up....well I want that attitude fixed ASAP.

I don't want anyone else to think about doing this. And if the MSM is covering for them I want the people to see that so we can get more honest reporting out there. Just looking for a little honesty and accountablity in the government, why let this slide?

[LibertyEagle]

So I mean you can turn away potential supporters if you like.

No, she cannot. You have as much right to be here as anyone else.

[specsaregood]

But this frenzy and panic are only there because the establishment cannot refute the birther movement.

OR they don't want to. Just saying, you can't ignore that possibility.
We aren't playing checkers against TPTB, we are playing chess and they are GM's at the game. 1. e4!

[Matt Collins]

I am about to dump Ron Paul Forums if I read one more post like this. You just posted 43% of Republicans believe Obama was born in Kenya in another article.Uhh... I am not saying I agree with it, I am just passing along the news. If you don't think that we should take an objective look at news and commentary, then perhaps your skin isn't thick enough to be here :rolleyes:

[Sandra]

Threatening to leave a forum if we question the birthers? Are you serious?

[FrankRep]

I am about to dump Ron Paul Forums if I read one more post like this. You just posted 43% of Republicans believe Obama was born in Kenya in another article.

So Republicans will dump 43% of their base and take in people in the Ron Paul forums to make up for it? Yah I hear you. Truly these forums have descended into a cesspit.

Stary, this is a sensitive issue. No one really knows how to deal with it and jumping to conclusions can be damaging.

[pacelli]

Well why facilitate this on these forums? I mean the real frustrating thing I can find videos like the Kenyan Ambassador on you tube, and the Obama's grandma. I hear all sorts of things like 39 SS#s and really I am simply like whats up with this? There are legitimate reasons for people to have interest in this question.

Every article that I hear refuting the information say only that the one document that he provided is enough...when it can be obtained for a variety of reasons. The best way to keep the movement united is to respect people's interest in the issue and let it a lone. We are talking about a serving President who has sealed his past from scrutiny refused to cooperate with people, and who used money and an executive order to do all this. Why? I mean the question is valid....and remains so.

If you want to help quell the "birther" movement then provide information refuting what is posted. But this frenzy and panic are only there because the establishment cannot refute the birther movement. It's typical when they are afraid of what might be discovered they denounce it as blasphemy and insane. Like the Catholic Church back in the day.....you could be labled a heretic.

This type of behavior leads me to believe they are afraid of something. So why bring it here to these forums? Just calmly let it come and go. If it stays...maybe there is something to it. Anyways, like I said when the next elections roll around I want to know what is going on with the candidates.

Because this forum originated as an activist forum. Remember how much money this single forum raised for Ron during the progress of the campaign? Remember how many events were organized on this forum that forced the GOP to acknowledge Ron's presence (reluctantly I might add)? Remember what happened at CPAC?

This issue of the birth certificate is being used by the media and other lapdog political groups to prevent all of that from happening again. They are already planning for 2012, and let us not forget the 2010 elections (where we have a real opportunity to make an impact). Your "anti-birther" reaction is just as valuable to mainstream politics as the "pro-birther" reaction. Both reactions facilitate group polarization. The practical effect of group polarization is that nothing significant will change. In the face of conflict, the system maintains homeostasis.

[Mrs.Joe]

This is a prime example of what I have been talking about quite a bit lately. The forum has gone to infighting, there has always been debates etc. But lately everyone is hostile with eachother and we need a cause to gather around again. Whether it be a bill or a candidate we need to rally our support and efforts again so that the media and naysayers cant divide us.

[sarahgop]

yea, lets just see the birth certificate.

[Sandra]

What happened to Lavoro?

[werdd]

If they don't respect one of the most basic parts of the constitution, the requirements to be president, what makes you think they will give a damn about the rest?

If it is true that obama is not a NBC, they must not be allowed to get away with it. This is a bigger issue than partisanship, its about defaulting on the guidelines of 300 years to be our countrys leader. If you care about the constitution then you damn well better pay attention to how this turns out.

[dannno]

What happened to Lavoro?

That mega troll was Banned.

[Sandra]

If they don't respect one of the most basic parts of the constitution, the requirements to be president, what makes you think they will give a damn about the rest?

If it is true that obama is not a NBC, they must not be allowed to get away with it. This is a bigger issue than partisanship, its about defaulting on the guidelines of 300 years to be our countrys leader. If you care about the constitution then you damn well better pay attention to how this turns out.

Where was your damned resolve when the Constitution was shredded in order to steal oil and murder over a million people? Yet you sweat into a fray over the already produced BC of a black president. Race IS the issue here. The Constitution can still be used to undo the EO's that Bush set in place to further erode our rights. Instead they want to beleive without even a shred of evidence, the black POTUS cannot be allowed in the office.

[specsaregood]

Where was your damned resolve when the Constitution was shredded in order to steal oil and murder over a million people? Yet you sweat into a fray over the already produced BC of a black president. Race IS the issue here.

Maybe for you race is the issue; it isn't for me.
And many of us were against the whole shredding of the constitution in order to go to war in iraq, so fail on your argument.

[Sandra]

Go back and look at some of their posts in the beginning.

[Mrs.Joe]

It has not been an issue over race...I dont care if a president is black, white, red or green...there is no reason for him to not show his bc.

[werdd]

Where was your damned resolve when the Constitution was shredded in order to steal oil and murder over a million people? Yet you sweat into a fray over the already produced BC of a black president. Race IS the issue here. The Constitution can still be used to undo the EO's that Bush set in place to further erode our rights. Instead they want to beleive without even a shred of evidence, the black POTUS cannot be allowed in the office.

Anytime the constitution is dismissed it is an issue for me. I could care less about race. If there was a black liberty canidate like Ron Paul you bet i would vote for him.

And if he wasn't a natural born citizen, then i would be raising hell. If it was proven that Ron Paul wasn't a natural born citizen then i wouldnt support him for POTUS.

I believe this president doesnt give a damn about the constitution as a whole. If there is nothing to hide show us the damn certificate.

[specsaregood]

Go back and look at some of their posts in the beginning.

Maybe for some it is about race; but certainly not for everybody that questions his eligibility; myself for example. And there were almost as many threads here at RPFs questiong mccains eligibility when it mattered and last I checked he isn't black.

[werdd]

Maybe for some it is about race; but certainly not for everybody that questions his eligibility; myself for example. And I there were almost as many threads here at RPFs questiong mccains eligibility when it mattered and last I checked he isn't black.

^^

[Matt Collins]

[/URL][url]http://barefootandprogressive.blogspot.com/2009/08/more-birther-fun-and-fineprint.html (http://barefootandprogressive.blogspot.com/2009/08/more-birther-fun-and-fineprint.html)



At Fancy Farm, I asked Republican Senate candidate Rand Paul if President Obama was born in the United States and he said he "didn't know". Yes, Rand Paul is a birther.