The Criminalization of a Generation ('sexting')

[disorderlyvision]

http://www.blackoakmedia.org/archives/Lempa.html


Ten years ago I received a t-shirt from the October 22 Coalition. The back of the shirt read “Stop the Criminalization of a Generation.” The Coalition’s focus is on police brutality, but the slogan can, unfortunately, be applied to many other situations. A recent trend, for example, is the crackdown on “sexting.” For those that don’t know, sexting is the use of text messaging to transmit sexual material. A contributor to The Urban Dictionary defines it as “a word that the media made up after some Greensburg Salem school district’s principals invaded the student’s privacy by taking their phone and then felt the need to go through the students messages and then reported it to the police.”

District attorneys across the country have begun to criminalize teenagers who decide to send nude or semi-nude pictures of themselves to lovers, friends, or others (sometimes by mistake). Minors taking provocative pictures of themselves are no longer experimenting with their sexuality and their bodies, they are now creator-victims of child pornography.

The victimhood comes into play because these pictures rarely stay with the intended recipient. In some cases they have spread throughout entire schools and even to other school districts. At least one parent blames “sexting” for her daughter’s suicide. This daughter took a photo of herself that was intended to be seen by only one set of eyes, but before she could fully grasp what was going on, the picture had spread throughout the school.

The mother explained that it spread so far that the daughter had a hard time going anywhere without being ridiculed or even bullied. The mother blames the school and police for not “doing something.” But what can they do? Once that picture is sent, it is sent. Does she really want to punish everybody who forwarded the picture? Is it really a crime for a 16 year old to look at pictures of a 17 year old?

My intention is not to ridicule the mother or the 17 year old daughter. Both experienced hell. However, we should try to learn something from this.

Let’s stop demonizing sex and sexuality. Youth are going to experiment, especially with their bodies. It’s much better to provide a safe space then to demonize or even criminalize their actions. Adults need to listen and support youth while they are growing up. Talk to them about sex, drugs, and major life decisions. Sharing a “sexy” picture with a lover isn’t the worst thing in the world, but they should realize that they no longer control who sees it once they lose possession of the picture.

The risk factor is magnified if the image is digital. Explaining this to youth would go a lot further than demonizing them for thinking about or engaging in “risky” behaviors. Actually, the worst kind of encouragement you can provide is to tell them not to do something without providing a clear explanation as to why.

Technological advances have made it a lot easier to share photos. This is great for showing my parents my new landscaping, but it's much more risky than traditional methods. It is, in a way, an ultimate display of trust. Not only are you sharing a picture, you are telling that person that you trust them to keep it to themselves. Unfortunately this isn't always the case.

Of course it gets worse. In many states, sexual education is banned in school. Parents argue they, not the school, should decide when and how their children learn about sex. Fair enough, but when that doesn’t happen, awful things happen. Too many parents shy away from talking about sex with their children.

I would much rather have parents raise their children, but the unfortunate reality is that many don’t. They would rather have the school system do it for them. Others prefer to ignore what goes on with their teenagers (i.e. drugs, sex, fighting). For better or for worst, our hypermedia-ized society makes it next to impossible censor sex and sexuality. Parents need to understand this, especially if they are trying to shield their children.

Rather than criminalizing youth for exploring their bodies, why not treat them with decency and respect? If a parent doesn’t want their child taking explicit digital photos of themselves, perhaps they should think twice before supplying them with a camera phone and unlimited text messaging. Talk to your children about the consequences of posting naked or provocative pictures of themselves on the Internet.

Rather than pretend it don't exist, talk to your teens about sex and sexuality. Take it a step further and talk to your pre-teens about their bodies. Don't be scared or embarrassed to ask for assistance. Your children will be better off. Most importantly, don’t rely on the school or police to do it for you.

[acptulsa]

Criminalizing a generation is nothing new.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=202252

[Mrs.Joe]

Novel idea...if you dont want your child sending unauthorized photos through their cell phones....dont get them a cell phone.

[coyote_sprit]

Or leave out the texting feature from your plan and get them a non camera phone.

[Matt Collins]

Or better yet, be a good parent and explain to your kids why it is wrong, why they shouldn't do it, and what the consequences will be.

[dannno]

Just tell them when they're messaging a friend, they may as well be messaging their entire school..

[LibForestPaul]

Nude does not equal sex...

only takes 1 juror to tell the DA to shove it.

[heavenlyboy34]

Or better yet, be a good parent and explain to your kids why it is wrong, why they shouldn't do it, and what the consequences will be.

Be a parent? That's what TV is for, don't ya know? ;) j/p

[eduardo89]

I read a news story a few month back about two 15 year old girls who were charged with sexual abuse of a minor for taking picture of each other in their underwear...

[Mrs.Joe]

Seriously... I just dont get it..at that age I would NEVER have thought about taking naked pictures of myself and sending them to ANYONE...wtf is wrong with these kids?

[dannno]

Seriously... I just dont get it..at that age I would NEVER have thought about taking naked pictures of myself and sending them to ANYONE...wtf is wrong with these kids?

Nothing, they clearly have a lot of sexual energy which is very natural in many human beings.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Seriously... I just dont get it..at that age I would NEVER have thought about taking naked pictures of myself and sending them to ANYONE...wtf is wrong with these kids?

Have you turned on the TV recently - and not channels you usually watch? Try MTV or the Disney channel sometime. Matter of fact, one of the Disney stars did a nude mirror shot of herself that got out. Caused a big stink. But she is usually dressed in outfits on the show that you might normally associate with a street walker wearing. There's even a channel promoting the gay lifestyle and public fool kids are being exposed to such classics as "Why Tommy has 2 Mommies".

Guess we'll have to start registering digital camera's, phones and webcams, run a background check, not let anyone under 18 buy one and make them contraband in various locations - like bedrooms, as well as encode the camera owners ID in every photo taken. Hell, we could chip underage family members and cause the camera to not function if anyone under 18 were in range and bring up a warning screen every time a picture was taken advising the photographer what they can't take pictures of and make them click "yes" at every instance. Maybe we could get some intelligent software in there that would try to detect how much skin was exposed and dispatch the morality cops if it thought there was too much... It's the only way to keep us safe from this heinous threat to our society. Remember, "it's for the children" :rolleyes:

-t

[emazur]

Telling parents "don't get them a cell phone" won't work - teens can easily get prepaid cell phones w/o having to tell their parents or show ID to the vendor (as it should be). The phones can be pretty advanced too - I myself use a Windows Mobile Smartphone (w/ cam) w/ a prepaid plan.
Is teen sexting immoral and should it be illegal? I personally don't think it is necessarily so - the age of consent should be cut down to maybe 14 (same as S. Carolina I believe) or 13. But it is stupid - a teen can/will victimize him/herself by doing so. Like I said in the texting-while-driving thread, there is a good case to make for outlawing things that are likely to harm others (drunk driving, texting while driving), but actions that can only potentially harm yourself (not wearing seatbelts, or in this case, sexting) should not be overseen by the government.

And BTW, I suspect sexting would have gone on the 1950s if teens had the easy access to technology to do so back then

[Mrs.Joe]

Yes it will happen if they want it to happen...no it shouldnt be criminialized, I believe the humiliation of having the entire school see your hooha is enough of a punishment. If they are so desperate to send pics to people that they go out of their way to buy a phone themselves...then whatever..
But its a damn shame that parents dont teach their children to respect themselves.
Sexual energy is normal yes...but there is no reason for children to disrespect themselves like this. This is a clear result of lack of parenting.
It is the same as a teenager having a parent on their myspace/facebook etc and cursing like a sailor and their parents are loling it..
Parents need to stop acting like friends to their damn kids and act like parents.

[heavenlyboy34]

Seriously... I just dont get it..at that age I would NEVER have thought about taking naked pictures of myself and sending them to ANYONE...wtf is wrong with these kids?

Perhaps they learn it in government-mandated sex ed classes. :eek:

[Vessol]

Or better yet, be a good parent and explain to your kids why it is wrong, why they shouldn't do it, and what the consequences will be.

stop using logic, jeez

[tangent4ronpaul]

And BTW, I suspect sexting would have gone on the 1950s if teens had the easy access to technology to do so back then

Kids did take nude/provocative pics of themselves before digital camera's were around - the operative question was not do I want a nude pic of me out there, but rather do I have access to a dark room and know how to use it, or do I know someone that does.

And even then - there were certain "perks" to working at the photo counter..., you know - ahem - "quality control"... ;)

-t

[dannno]

This thread is worthless without pics.

































































































j/k ;)

[tangent4ronpaul]

If they are so desperate to send pics to people that they go out of their way to buy a phone themselves...then whatever..

I don't think any of them buy a phone/camera JUST to take/send nude pics. It's more a social thing and most pics aren't like that. But you know add a BF/GF, or someone he/she's flirting with or a slumber party and "spin the bottle" or "strip poker" or just wanting to do a photoset for Myspace and stuff happens...

Some portion of the population are naturally exhibitionists too.


Parents need to stop acting like friends to their damn kids and act like parents.

Actually, I think the kids of parents that were their friend turned out better. Just from the ones I've known.

-t

[Mrs.Joe]

I don't think any of them buy a phone/camera JUST to take/send nude pics. It's more a social thing and most pics aren't like that. But you know add a BF/GF, or someone he/she's flirting with or a slumber party and "spin the bottle" or "strip poker" or just wanting to do a photoset for Myspace and stuff happens...

Some portion of the population are naturally exhibitionists too.



Actually, I think the kids of parents that were their friend turned out better. Just from the ones I've known.

-t



Then you are lucky.
the ones that I have known that their parents were just the "cool" parents and let them do whatever they wanted arent doing that great. One guy is in prison for 31 years, another has aids and one girl is a drug addict.

I am not advocating sheltering your children or beating them into submission or any of that. My mother was not either of those and I turned out fine...I just see this as an obvious result of lack of parenting. Parents need to teach smart from stupid....stupid being sending naked pictures of yourself to anyone over a phone or email.....

[Matt Collins]

This thread is worthless without pics.


Here is a picture for you!
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=2239638&postcount=4
:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

[tangent4ronpaul]

This thread is worthless without pics.


Underage Islamic Girls Go Wild!

http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/caitlin_dean.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Qy4iftwk5JM/SAzqZNyrIjI/AAAAAAAAC_I/eDxzO9tp9HY/s400/burka-sexy.jpg

-t

[Dr.3D]

Or better yet, be a good parent and explain to your kids why it is wrong, why they shouldn't do it, and what the consequences will be.
Gosh, what ever happened to Wally and the Beav?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6c/B_jerpau01.JPG

[tangent4ronpaul]

Gosh, what ever happened to Wally and the Beav?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6c/B_jerpau01.JPG

They were replaced by Miley Cyrus

http://www.hecklerspray.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/miley-cyrus-biography-4.jpg

http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/tampacalling/files/2009/06/miley-cyrus-myspace11.jpg

http://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/MTV+TRL+Presents+Miley+Cyrus+4Yvf7jK8a_Xl.jpg

-t

[dr. hfn]

invading nations and slaughtering millions is okay, but not sexting, oh no!

[Conservative Christian]

Or leave out the texting feature from your plan and get them a non camera phone.

DING! DING! DING!

We have a winner!

.

[eduardo89]

This thread is worthless without pics

j/k ;)

Jailbaitgalleries.com for all you pervs ;)

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

Again, this gets back to the stupidity of the Age of Consent being set well above the age of puberty. People may not like it, but goddamnit, when a teenager has reached the age of 13 they will, in the overwhelming number, have undergone puberty. Once that happens, they should be extended the same rights as all other adults. They're just small adults, not children. Statutory Rape was bullshit created by District Attorney's in the mid-1880s (in New York no less) to try and get victories in court by inventing a crime where none existed before (the old Age of Consent where it existed was 10).

The fact is there are teenagers that have had their lives ruined because they took a nude photo of themselves and their significant other and have to register as sex offenders. This is fucked up beyond belief and its time it stops. The whole Statutory Rape bullshit is Ex Post Facto and blatantly unConstitutional. Parents need to stop treating their teenagers as children as they are anything but. Is it any wonder that many teens have angst problems as they crave to be treated as adults instead of as children? Then, confusingly, their parents yell at them to 'act their age' and/or 'act grown up' but fucking still talk down to them as if they were in diapers.

Some of you, I'm sure, will again decide to take potshots at me claiming I'm simply a dirty old man who wants to hump some teenaged girl. I'm not the one that is denying rights to fellow citizens and I'm certainly not the one who has so much cognitive dissonance that they cannot see how this whole problem is aided and abetted by the Age of Consent. Instead of treating teenagers as children, treat them as adults and help them to understand exactly what liberty means. Yes, some of them will make piss poor decisions and will suffer as a result, but goddamnit we cannot be our brother's and sister's keeper.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Again, this gets back to the stupidity of the Age of Consent being set well above the age of puberty. People may not like it, but goddamnit, when a teenager has reached the age of 13 they will, in the overwhelming number, have undergone puberty. Once that happens, they should be extended the same rights as all other adults. They're just small adults, not children. Statutory Rape was bullshit created by District Attorney's in the mid-1880s (in New York no less) to try and get victories in court by inventing a crime where none existed before (the old Age of Consent where it existed was 10).

The fact is there are teenagers that have had their lives ruined because they took a nude photo of themselves and their significant other and have to register as sex offenders. This is fucked up beyond belief and its time it stops. The whole Statutory Rape bullshit is Ex Post Facto and blatantly unConstitutional. Parents need to stop treating their teenagers as children as they are anything but. Is it any wonder that many teens have angst problems as they crave to be treated as adults instead of as children? Then, confusingly, their parents yell at them to 'act their age' and/or 'act grown up' but fucking still talk down to them as if they were in diapers.

Some of you, I'm sure, will again decide to take potshots at me claiming I'm simply a dirty old man who wants to hump some teenaged girl. I'm not the one that is denying rights to fellow citizens and I'm certainly not the one who has so much cognitive dissonance that they cannot see how this whole problem is aided and abetted by the Age of Consent. Instead of treating teenagers as children, treat them as adults and help them to understand exactly what liberty means. Yes, some of them will make piss poor decisions and will suffer as a result, but goddamnit we cannot be our brother's and sister's keeper.

+1

Keep an eye out for McCains legislation that is coming back this session. It has a section in there to initiate a Internet "black list" to protect us from CP. In EVERY case where a country has done this, it has immediately been perverted so that these type of sites are a tiny section of the black list, legitimate sites were a large section of the list and here's the important part: in 100% of the cases it was applied to perform POLITICAL censorship!

Did I mention that these are "secret" lists - you know, like the "no fly lists" - show up at the airport to go to your family reunion and... notification, snotification... and to get off the list? - rrriiiggghhhttt...

Gee - that might be helpful at strategic times when passing unpopular legislation or in elections - ya think?

See wikileaks.org for more info.

-t

[Matt Collins]

. The whole Statutory Rape bullshit is Ex Post Facto and blatantly unConstitutional. How so?

[tangent4ronpaul]

How so?

Maybe under the "Life, Liberty and Pursuit of happiness" part?

I think the founders really messed up here. People got hitched and started kicking out kids younger back then. Today, I think the feds could make a case for all women wearing burkas and outlawing sex till you are 60.

-t

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

How so?

Age of Consent used to be 10 where it existed. There was no crime to have sex with a person who was below 18 but above 10 until the mid-1880s. The whole debacle originally started by groups crusading to stop Child Prostitution. Thats all well and good, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions. By making illegal what was once considered perfectly legal (being above 18 and having sex with, say a 16 yr old) is blatantly Ex Post Facto as it was originally interpreted.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Age of Consent used to be 10 where it existed. There was no crime to have sex with a person who was below 18 but above 10 until the mid-1880s. The whole debacle originally started by groups crusading to stop Child Prostitution. Thats all well and good, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions. By making illegal what was once considered perfectly legal (being above 18 and having sex with, say a 16 yr old) is blatantly Ex Post Facto as it was originally interpreted.

Interesting - got any refs? - the 1880 stuff...

As to images being illegal "child porn" that wasn't an issue till 1980 or 1990... with drugs, it started in the 1920's and the WoD's didn't really start till dupont invented nylon and wanted to eliminate hemp from the competition, auto-weapons legislation was related to the rise of the mob during probation (thank you fud guv!) and then in the 1960's. I know someone who used to buy explosives over the counter with not so much as showing ID back then. People used to carry firearms on airliners and there just were not problems - though if the passengers had not been disarmed, 9/11 would not have happened. Ah! all these wonderful things the government does to "protect us"... :rolleyes:

thanks,

-t

[Sandman33]

Seriously... I just dont get it..at that age I would NEVER have thought about taking naked pictures of myself and sending them to ANYONE...wtf is wrong with these kids?

Feminism. It completely destroyed chastity, morals, and chivalry. Women are judged not only by men but by women purely on their looks. And they use that now to gain popularity and acceptance.

Before feminism if women did such a thing she was chastised as a whore and no decent man would want her for a wife after the entire school and town had seen her naked or next to naked. There was a value on knowing that your wife was YOUR wife and no one elses. Today men don't care because women don't REALLY want to be traditional wives and women are taught from day one now to be promiscuous...as if THATS where their power in being a woman lies.:rolleyes:

Now it's the complete opposite. Whoever has the hottest body gets the popularity and it's just one giant fashion and cleavage competition. What girl has the newest name brand garbage bullshit and what girl not only has the tightest ass but is willing to show it and prove it.

You ask what is wrong with these kids? Thats the largest aspect, the other is the lack of a strong father in the home. Many families are busted now, so either single mom doesn't care if her daughter goes out like that, or she's just plain not around to tell her.

What happened to the day when a father would stop his daughter from leaving the house dressed like a whore? Or demand to know who she was leaving with and EXACTLY when she would return?

Those days are gone now dear. And you can thank feminism.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Feminism. It completely destroyed chastity, morals, and chivalry. Women are judged not only by men but by women purely on their looks. And they use that now to gain popularity and acceptance.

Before feminism if women did such a thing she was chastised as a whore and no decent man would want her for a wife after the entire school and town had seen her naked or next to naked. There was a value on knowing that your wife was YOUR wife and no one elses. Today men don't care because women don't REALLY want to be traditional wives and women are taught from day one now to be promiscuous...as if THATS where their power in being a woman lies.:rolleyes:

Now it's the complete opposite. Whoever has the hottest body gets the popularity and it's just one giant fashion and cleavage competition. What girl has the newest name brand garbage bullshit and what girl not only has the tightest ass but is willing to show it and prove it.

You ask what is wrong with these kids? Thats the largest aspect, the other is the lack of a strong father in the home. Many families are busted now, so either single mom doesn't care if her daughter goes out like that, or she's just plain not around to tell her.

What happened to the day when a father would stop his daughter from leaving the house dressed like a whore? Or demand to know who she was leaving with and EXACTLY when she would return?

Those days are gone now dear. And you can thank feminism.

You can also thank the FED for devaluing the dollar and making the "American dream" go bye bye. Today many families NEED 2 pay checks to survive, but yes - feminism has much to do with it. Thank your governments social engineering.


Now for reference, if you are a parent you should probably print some of these off and present them to your daughters suitors....

===========

APPLICATION FOR PERMISSION TO DATE MY DAUGHTER

NOTE: This application will be incomplete and rejected unless
accompanied by a complete financial statement, job history, lineage,
and current medical report from your doctor.

NAME_____________________________________ DATE OF BIRTH_____________

HEIGHT___________ WEIGHT____________ IQ__________ GPA_____________

SOCIAL SECURITY #_________________ DRIVERS LICENSE #________________

BOY SCOUT RANK AND BADGES____________________________________________

HOME ADDRESS_______________________ CITY/STATE___________ ZIP______

Do you have parents? ___Yes ___No
Is one male and the other female? ___Yes ___No
If No, explain:
__________________________________________________ ____________

Number of years they have been married ______________________________

If less than your age, explain
__________________________________________________ ____________

__________________________________________________ ____________


ACCESSORIES SECTION:

A. Do you own or have access to a van? __Yes __No

B. A truck with oversized tires? __Yes __No

C. A waterbed? __Yes __No

D. A pickup with a mattress in the back? __Yes __No

E. A tattoo? __Yes __No

F. Do you have an earring, nose ring, __Yes __No
pierced tongue, pierced cheek or a belly button ring?

(IF YOU ANSWERED "YES" TO ANY OF THE ABOVE, DISCONTINUE APPLICATION
AND LEAVE PREMISES IMMEDIATELY. I SUGGEST RUNNING.)


ESSAY SECTION:

In 50 words or less, what does "LATE" mean to you?

__________________________________________________ ____________

__________________________________________________ ____________

In 50 words or less, what does "DON'T TOUCH MY DAUGHTER" mean to you?

__________________________________________________ ____________

__________________________________________________ ____________

In 50 words or less, what does "ABSTINENCE" mean to you?

__________________________________________________ ____________

__________________________________________________ ____________


REFERENCES SECTION:

Church you attend __________________________________________________ _

How often you attend ________________________________________________

When would be the best time to interview your:

father? _____________

mother? _____________

pastor? _____________


SHORT-ANSWER SECTION:

Answer by filling in the blank. Please answer freely, all answers
are confidential.

A: If I were shot, the last place I would want shot would be:

__________________________________________________ ____________

B: If I were beaten, the last bone I would want broken is my:

__________________________________________________ ____________

C: A woman's place is in the:

__________________________________________________ ____________

D: The one thing I hope this application does not ask me about is:

__________________________________________________ ____________

E. What do you want to do IF you grow up? ___________________________

__________________________________________________ ____________

__________________________________________________ ____________

F. When I meet a girl, the thing I always notice about her first is:

__________________________________________________ ____________

F. What is the current going rate of a hotel room? __________________

I SWEAR THAT ALL INFORMATION SUPPLIED ABOVE IS TRUE AND CORRECT TO
THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE UNDER PENALTY OF DEATH, DISMEMBERMENT,
NATIVE AMERICAN ANT TORTURE, CRUCIFIXION, ELECTROCUTION, CHINESE
WATER TORTURE, RED HOT POKERS, AND HILLARY CLINTON KISS TORTURE.


__________________________________________________ _______
Applicant's Signature (that means sign your name, moron!)


_______________________________ ________________________________
Mother's Signature Father's Signature

_______________________________ ________________________________
Pastor/Priest/Rabbi State Representative/Congressman

Thank you for your interest, and it had better be genuine and
non-sexual. Please allow four to six years for processing.

You will be contacted in writing if you are approved. Please do
not try to call or write (since you probably can't, and it would
cause you injury). If your application is rejected, you will be
notified by two gentleman wearing white ties carrying violin cases.
(you might watch your back)

To prepare yourself, start studying Daddy's Rules for Dating.

========

Your dad's rules for your boyfriend (or for you if you're a guy):

Rule One:
If you pull into my driveway and honk you'd better be delivering a package, because you're sure not picking anything up.

Rule Two:
You do not touch my daughter in front of me. You may glance at her, so long as you do not peer at anything below her neck. If you cannot keep your eyes or hands off of my daughter's body, I will remove them.

Rule Three:
I am aware that it is considered fashionable for boys of your age to wear their trousers so loosely that they appear to be falling off their hips. Please don't take this as an insult, but you and all of your friends are complete idiots. Still, I want to be fair and open minded about this issue, so I propose this compromise: You may come to the door with your underwear showing and your pants ten sizes too big, and I will not object. However, in order to ensure that your clothes do no, in fact come off during the course of your date with my daughter, I will take my electric nail gun and fasten your trousers securely in place to your waist.

Rule Four:
I'm sure you've been told that in today's world, sex without utilizing a "Barrier method" of some kind can kill you. Let me elaborate, when it comes to sex, I am the barrier, and I will kill you.

Rule Five:
It is usually understood that in order for us to get to know each other, we should talk about sports, politics, and other issues of the day. Please do not do this. The only information I require from you is an indication of when you expect to have my daughter safely back at my house, and the only word I need from you on this subject is: "early."

Rule Six:
I have no doubt you are a popular fellow, with many opportunities to date other girls. This is fine with me as long as it is okay with my daughter. Otherwise, once you have gone out with my little girl, you will continue to date no one but her until she is finished with you. If you make her cry, I will make you cry.

Rule Seven:
As you stand in my front hallway, waiting for my daughter to appear, and more than an hour goes by, do not sigh and fidget. If you want to be on time for the movie, you should not be dating. My daughter is putting on her makeup, a process than can take longer than painting the Golden Gate Bridge. Instead of just standing there, why don't you do something useful, like changing the oil in my car?

Rule Eight:
The following places are not appropriate for a date with my daughter: Places where there are beds, sofas, or anything softer than a wooden stool. Places where there is darkness. Places where there is dancing, holding hands, or happiness. Places where the ambient temperature is warm enough to induce my daughter to wear shorts, tank tops, midriff T-shirts, or anything other than overalls, a sweater, and a goose down parka - zipped up to her throat. Movies with a strong romantic or sexual theme are to be avoided; movies which features chain saws are okay. Hockey games are okay. Old folks homes are better.

Rule Nine:
Do not lie to me. I may appear to be a potbellied, balding, middle-aged, dimwitted has-been. But on issues relating to my daughter, I am the all-knowing, merciless god of your universe. If I ask you where you are going and with whom, you have one chance to tell me the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I have a shotgun, a shovel, and five acres behind the house. Do not trifle with me.

Rule Ten:
Be afraid. Be very afraid. It takes very little for me to mistake the sound of your car in the driveway for a chopper coming in over a rice paddy near Hanoi. When my Agent Orange starts acting up, the voices in my head frequently tell me to clean the guns as I wait for you to bring my daughter home. As soon as you pull into the driveway you should exit the car with both hands in plain sight. Speak the perimeter password, announce in a clear voice that you have brought my daughter home safely and early, then return to your car - there is no need for you to come inside. The camouflaged face at the window is mine.

-t

[coyote_sprit]

Jailbaitgalleries.com for all you pervs ;)

Jailbait galleries is pretty useless.

[Matt Collins]

By making illegal what was once considered perfectly legal (being above 18 and having sex with, say a 16 yr old) is blatantly Ex Post Facto as it was originally interpreted.And how was it "originally interpreted"? :confused:

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

And how was it "originally interpreted"? :confused:

That the government was forbidden from criminalizing an activity that was beforehand perfectly legal.

[eduardo89]

Jailbait galleries is pretty useless.

Its alright, not as great as dating a 16 year old though

[tangent4ronpaul]

That the government was forbidden from criminalizing an activity that was beforehand perfectly legal.

I'm trying to think of something in the Constitution or BoR thatt spells that out - would be great if it was there!

-t

[tangent4ronpaul]

Its alright, not as great as dating a 16 year old though

16 is generally legal in the USA. Lookup ageofconsent.com. For most states anyway....

It's seemed to settle there. Before some states were 14 or younger and others were 18 or 21.... but now, it's generally 16. Check your state laws though! They vary! And sometimes it's only within so many
years of....

21 years? WTF??? - it's statutory rape if the girl isn't 21? - tell that to the college crowd and teens... NOT!

But remember - fed and PRIVATE prisons are an industry! - incarcerating people generates mega bucks! - that's what this is all about ditto the WoD.

-t

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

I'm trying to think of something in the Constitution or BoR thatt spells that out - would be great if it was there!

It is, under the Ex Post Facto clause. But you have to remember how its been allowed to be interpreted so as to give the advantage to the government since the time of the Constitution's adoption.

[tangent4ronpaul]

It is, under the Ex Post Facto clause. But you have to remember how its been allowed to be interpreted so as to give the advantage to the government since the time of the Constitution's adoption.

Where is that clause? -and please elaborate on it's perversion?

thanks,

-t

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

Section 9: Limits on Congress
No bill of attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.

Section 10: Limits on the States
No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.

As for how its been corrupted, I believe there have been rulings from The Supreme Court that allow the government to pass laws criminalizing something that was heretofor not criminal at all. They just aren't supposed to penalize those who engaged in said behaviour prior to it being made criminal. If you get caught afterwards, you're fucked. Its also been allowed that they can pass retroactive taxation laws. Welcome to getting fucked by 9 douchebags in robes of nobility.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Section 9: Limits on Congress
No bill of attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.



No clue on "bill of attainder"

as to "ex post facto" - doesn't that refer to "grandfather clauses"?

-t

[disorderlyvision]

ex post facto means if you do something today and they pass a law tommorow they cannot go back and arrest you for what you did the day before because at the time it was not a crime.

I think it translates into something like "after the fact"

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

ex post facto means if you do something today and they pass a law tommorow they cannot go back and arrest you for what you did the day before because at the time it was not a crime.

I think it translates into something like "after the fact"

It also means they cannot make illegal tomorrow what was today perfecly legal. An overwhelming number of statutes in our country should be struck down as ex post facto.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

isn't saying the law isn't retroactive a lot easier