Motorhome Diaries Crew Detained at Canadian Border

[disorderlyvision]

http://www.fr33agents.com/333/motorhome-diaries-crew-detained-at-canadian-border/


Jason and Pete from Motorhome Diaries have been detained at the Canadian border leaving Vermont on I-91. They have been there for the last 4 hours, MARV has been searched by both state agents and the K-9 patrol. The MHD Guys were filming as the neared the check point, but the video was deleted and they were informed if they continued to film, record, or take pictures they would be arrested.

A box of literature from the Alliance of the Libertarian Left was taken, and a copy of Crispin Sartwell’s “Against the State” was left out on the counter. The RV was ransacked but thankfully not to the point it was in Jones County, Mississippi. Their laptops are now in the possession of the state agents, and those agents are reading about fr33 Agents, The Free State Project, and Jason & Pete’s former employer. One agent has accused them of ’spreading misinformation.’

The guys have been told that the state agents are looking for “Pornography or Heinous Propaganda.” When asked for a definition of “Heinous Propaganda” or the applicable statute they were told it was available online, but they don’t have computers or Internet access.

The agent that is holding them hostage is Agent number 17258, and his supervisor, Miguel Begin (sp?) can be reached at 819.876.7821 x112. Stay Tuned for further updates.

Update: Jason and Pete have been denied entry into Canada, citing the Jones County incident. Now waiting to go back through US Border patrol.

Update 2: Computers were kept as possible evidence of Propaganda.

Update 3: Computers returned, State Agents still in posession of box of ALL Literature

[Matt Collins]

This sounds like a GREAT lawsuit!

[Danke]

I cross the border often. They can search one's hard drive. Not that I'd ever view online pornography, but see how easy it would be for them to lock you up? Hey, that picture is an underage girl...handcuffs!!

[Matt Collins]

Hey, that picture is an underage girl...handcuffs!!I've always wondered how the government knows if someone was underage just by looking at a photo!? :confused:

[coyote_sprit]

I've always wondered how the government knows if someone was underage just by looking at a photo!? :confused:
Reasonable assumption is all they need.:rolleyes: Think of the children...

Hey, that picture is an underage girl...handcuffs!!
They've tried to get some people for having loli before even though loli isn't illegal, yet, at least I don't think it is.

[Matt Collins]

Reasonable assumption is all they need.:rolleyes: Think of the children...

They've tried to get some people for having loli before even though loli isn't illegal, yet, at least I don't think it is.I've read stories about them considering underage anime porn illegal.

[Kludge]

Reasonable assumption is all they need.:rolleyes: Think of the children...

They've tried to get some people for having loli before even though loli isn't illegal, yet, at least I don't think it is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_cartoon_pornography_depicting_mino rs#Conclusion

"simulated child pornography is generally protected speech, unless offered as if real children were involved, or if the material is deemed to be obscene (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obscene)."

How many judges would say cartoon children engaged in sex isn't obscene???


Back on topic.... (kind of),

so are state agents going to go through all of their porn? That might take a while.... uh -- might not.

[specsaregood]

I cross the border often. They can search one's hard drive. Not that I'd ever view online pornography, but see how easy it would be for them to lock you up? Hey, that picture is an underage girl...handcuffs!!

http://www.truecrypt.org/
Get it, Use it, problem solved.

[Matt Collins]

http://www.truecrypt.org/ (http://www.truecrypt.org/)
Get it, Use it, problem solved.The ACLU has a good article about the privacy of your laptops at international borders:
http://www.aclunc.org/issues/technology/blog/the_privacy_of_your_laptop_at_international_border s.shtml

[Matt Collins]

[/URL]"simulated child pornography is generally protected speech, unless offered as if real children were involved, or if the material is deemed to be [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obscene"]obscene (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_cartoon_pornography_depicting_mino rs#Conclusion)."

How many judges would say cartoon children engaged in sex isn't obscene???
Isn't all pornography "obscene"? And who defines "pornography"? :confused:

What a Baptist in Mississippi considers porn, a Catholic in New York might consider art.


But really, the child porn laws are there to protect individual children from being exploited. As sick as it is the question must still be asked when someone creates KP in the form of a cartoon or animation, who has been harmed?

[tangent4ronpaul]

They are looking for freedom so go to Canada??? - WRONG TURN DUDES! Try NH next time...
(though they are pretty liberal in some of their drug laws - like you at least used to be able to get a permit to grow up to 20 pot plants for personal use - or so I heard)

As to "protect individual children from being exploited" - it seems like the primary producers of this stuff are "children", at least in this country. (see "sexting thread"). So sending JBT's after them, dragging them through court and incarcerating them during there formative and impressionable years in order to "protect them from themselves" is the order of the day. Yeah, that sounds like the F'd up logic of Congress....

-t

[Objectivist]

Iran raises age of consent for brides to 13

[tremendoustie]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_cartoon_pornography_depicting_mino rs#Conclusion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_cartoon_pornography_depicting_mino rs#Conclusion)

"simulated child pornography is generally protected speech, unless offered as if real children were involved, or if the material is deemed to be obscene (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obscene)."

How many judges would say cartoon children engaged in sex isn't obscene???


Back on topic.... (kind of),

so are state agents going to go through all of their porn? That might take a while.... uh -- might not.

Uh, porn is legal if it isn't obscene? What does that even mean?

[tangent4ronpaul]

Iran raises age of consent for brides to 13

That young? - what was it before?

I think we used to have a couple of states here where it was 14, w/ parental consent.

I guess in the context of this thread, "freedom" is a relative term. Consider the middle east - in general, you don't have the government telling you who you can and can't sleep with (as long as they are of the opposite gender) but the girls are skittish for fear of stoning, the government doesn't limit you to one wife, you can buy a full auto AK over the counter with no paperwork, waiting period, tax or having to show ID, you can grow and use drugs, etc.

On the other hand, no alcohol, porn and the girls all hide under burka's :(

Granted, laws vary by country.

-t

[gls]

Detained again after making a wrong turn in Detroit...

YouTube - Captured Audio Reveals What Border Agents Think of MHD, Gun Owners & Testicles (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKBcVKT1f9E)

[invisible]

Iran raises age of consent for brides to 13

That young? - what was it before?

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I think we used to have a couple of states here where it was 14, w/ parental consent.

The freedom to marry at age 14 still exists in NH and MA, those are the only two states left.