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tangent4ronpaul
07-28-2009, 11:37 PM
The bill we warned you about

THIS IS AN URGENT ACTION ITEM... We've been told a vote is likely to occur Wednesday.

When we first launched our Freedom to Farm campaign back in April, we mentioned that House Energy and Commerce Chairman Henry Waxman said "he intends to pass a strong food safety bill soon."

This bill we warned you about, the 109-page H.R. 2749, is Waxman's promise.

The good news is that some of the most egregious trial balloons from earlier bills such as H.R. 875 have gone by the wayside . . .

* There will be no new Food Safety Administration bureaucracy
* The bill seems to define "farm" in such a way that backyard gardens won't be included in the regulations
* Direct farm-to-consumer, farm-to-restaurant, and farm-to-grocery store transactions will be exempt
* There is no implementation or incorporation of the National Animal Identification System (NAIS)

YOU are to be thanked for this. DC Downsizers were part of a large army of concerned citizens that killed earlier bills.

But the bad news is very bad. This bill . . .

* authorizes warrantless searches of farms
* imposes a $500 tax (or "registration fee") of all operators in all steps of the food production chain
* imposes civil penalties up to $20,000 per individual for each violation
* creates a food trace-back system, burdening farms and small businesses with reams of new paperwork
* empowers the Dept. of Health and Human Services to micro-manage the raising and harvesting of crops (you might have assumed that Congress would've handed the U.S. Dept of Agriculture this terrible power).

In essence, Congress wants to punish the innocent and protect the guilty. It is not small farms and businesses that were the source of contaminated food scares, but rather the processing facilities of large corporations. Yet this bill will only drive small farms out of business, which means reduced competition and higher prices in an already-bad economy.

FUCKING WAXMAN AGAIN!!!!!! - Something needs to be done about this guy!

-t

RideTheDirt
07-28-2009, 11:46 PM
So they want to further socialize food too? Didn't see that comin!

/sarcasm

free.alive
07-28-2009, 11:47 PM
What district is he in?

He's an obvious commie. His ultimate goal is to have the gov feeding (starving) us all.

Fuck him. Let's recruit two of our members to run against him. 1 will run as a D with a hard libertarian bent and hold him to task on every aspect that will shake his base. We need to make him spend money.

The other should run as an R on a hard civil-liberties stance, outing him as an authoritarian.

Waxman the taxman!


Just his ears irk the hell out of me!

KCIndy
07-28-2009, 11:52 PM
So they want to further socialize food too? Didn't see that comin!

/sarcasm

Sarcasm duly noted.... :)

But seriously and sadly, what better way is there to control a population than by maintaining a stranglehold on the food supply?

Does anyone know if any Liberty candidates are running against Waxman?

tangent4ronpaul
07-28-2009, 11:52 PM
What district is he in?

He's an obvious commie. His ultimate goal is to have the gov feeding (starving) us all.

Fuck him. Let's recruit two of our members to run against him. 1 will run as a D with a hard libertarian bent and hold him to task on every aspect that will shake his base. We need to make him spend money.

The other should run as an R on a hard civil-liberties stance, outing him as an authoritarian.

Waxman the taxman!


Just his ears irk the hell out of me!

Pretty sure he's a rep out of Cal - total socialist/Marxist. He's been a big pusher of all the really BAD legislation out there...

http://www.moonbattery.com/rep-henry-waxman.jpg

wish I could find an image of him with cross hairs....

-t

Athan
07-28-2009, 11:58 PM
Guy even looks like a rat.

tangent4ronpaul
07-29-2009, 12:04 AM
Pretty sure he's a rep out of Cal - total socialist/Marxist. He's been a big pusher of all the really BAD legislation out there...

http://www.moonbattery.com/rep-henry-waxman.jpg

wish I could find an image of him with cross hairs....

-t

Yep - CA - He represents Los Angeles....

-t

tangent4ronpaul
07-29-2009, 12:21 AM
Please use DownsizeDC.org's proprietary Educate the Powerful System to send a letter to Congress telling them to defeat H.R. 2749. Tell them the bill will only hurt competition and put undue burdens on small farmers. Let's send enough messages to frighten Congress and kill this bill.

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tangent4ronpaul
07-29-2009, 12:35 PM
The above is irrelevant. They swapped out the entire text of the legislation last night and are trying to rush it through today.

Govtrack is down, so I don't even know what the really bad stuff they are trying to sneak through contains. That they are using these tactics SCREAMS it's REALLY BAD STUFF! - As if the previous versions were not bad enough.

-t

paulitics
07-29-2009, 12:37 PM
The bill we warned you about

THIS IS AN URGENT ACTION ITEM... We've been told a vote is likely to occur Wednesday.

When we first launched our Freedom to Farm campaign back in April, we mentioned that House Energy and Commerce Chairman Henry Waxman said "he intends to pass a strong food safety bill soon."

This bill we warned you about, the 109-page H.R. 2749, is Waxman's promise.

The good news is that some of the most egregious trial balloons from earlier bills such as H.R. 875 have gone by the wayside . . .

* There will be no new Food Safety Administration bureaucracy
* The bill seems to define "farm" in such a way that backyard gardens won't be included in the regulations
* Direct farm-to-consumer, farm-to-restaurant, and farm-to-grocery store transactions will be exempt
* There is no implementation or incorporation of the National Animal Identification System (NAIS)

YOU are to be thanked for this. DC Downsizers were part of a large army of concerned citizens that killed earlier bills.

But the bad news is very bad. This bill . . .

* authorizes warrantless searches of farms
* imposes a $500 tax (or "registration fee") of all operators in all steps of the food production chain
* imposes civil penalties up to $20,000 per individual for each violation
* creates a food trace-back system, burdening farms and small businesses with reams of new paperwork
* empowers the Dept. of Health and Human Services to micro-manage the raising and harvesting of crops (you might have assumed that Congress would've handed the U.S. Dept of Agriculture this terrible power).

In essence, Congress wants to punish the innocent and protect the guilty. It is not small farms and businesses that were the source of contaminated food scares, but rather the processing facilities of large corporations. Yet this bill will only drive small farms out of business, which means reduced competition and higher prices in an already-bad economy.

FUCKING WAXMAN AGAIN!!!!!! - Something needs to be done about this guy!

-t

This Waxman is an evil man.

Reason
07-29-2009, 12:50 PM
OpenCongress Summary:
This bill proposes greater FDA regulatory powers over the national food supply and food providers, namely granting it the authority to regulate how crops are raised and harvested, to quarantine a geographic area, to make warrantless searches of business records, and to establish a national food tracing system. Concurrently, the bill would impose annual registration fees of $500 on all facilities holding, processing, or manufacturing food and require that such facilities also engaged in the transport or packing of food maintain pedigrees of the origin and previous distribution history of the food. The bill is an enhancement to H.R.759, and to a lesser extent, H.R. 857, previously proposed food safety bills in the 111th Congress. It is also co-sponsored by the same Representatives as the latter two bills, although new to the line of support is Rep. Henry Waxman, chair of the House Energy and Commerce committee.

* Added to calendar on Jun 17, 2009: Ordered to be Reported (Amended) by Voice Vote..

* Jun 17, 2009: Committee Consideration and Mark-up Session Held.

* Jun 11, 2009: Forwarded by Subcommittee to Full Committee (Amended) by Voice Vote .

* Jun 10, 2009: Subcommittee Consideration and Mark-up Session Held.

* Jun 09, 2009: Referred to the Subcommittee on Health.

* Introduced on Jun 08, 2009.

* Jun 08, 2009: Referred to the House Committee on Energy and Commerce.

tangent4ronpaul
07-29-2009, 12:53 PM
FUCK - they just voted... but quorum not present - so 15 min vote... dial quick!

Deborah K
07-29-2009, 01:21 PM
Pretty sure he's a rep out of Cal - total socialist/Marxist. He's been a big pusher of all the really BAD legislation out there...

http://www.moonbattery.com/rep-henry-waxman.jpg

wish I could find an image of him with cross hairs....

-t

He reminds me of what a character from the book: Animal Farm might look like. Sort of a mutation of man and pig.

gawd that was bad,,,,,,sorry

LibertyEagle
07-29-2009, 01:27 PM
I called and my congresscritter is voting against it.

Brian Defferding
07-30-2009, 09:13 AM
Yikes! I'll contact my congressman.

itshappening
07-30-2009, 09:59 AM
Bump !!

TCE
07-30-2009, 11:05 AM
They voted it down by seven votes yesterday. HOWEVER, they are VOTING AGAIN TODAY! Call your representative and tell them to vote NO on this page right out of the Stalin 5-year plan playbook.

Isaac Bickerstaff
07-30-2009, 11:18 AM
Bachmann voted for it!!!! Someone in her district better educate her quickly.
Unbelievable.
This definitely puts Bachmann in the "useful idiot" category. Unfortunately she is a useful idiot for both sides.

TCE
07-30-2009, 11:23 AM
Bachmann voted for it!!!! Someone in her district better educate her quickly.
Unbelievable.
This definitely puts Bachmann in the "useful idiot" category. Unfortunately she is a useful idiot for both sides.

Can't all of us just bombard her with calls? And, where did you get the voting list?

TCE
07-30-2009, 11:27 AM
Never mind. Found it: Vote List for HR 2749 (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/111/house/1/votes/657/#)

Click on Democrats or Republicans to se who voted for it. CALL NOW!

HOLLYWOOD
07-30-2009, 11:39 AM
Wow, HR 2749 has 5 CO-SPONSORS and it's moving this fast? RP's HR 1207 has 275 CO-SPONSORS and that POS Barney Frank is sitting on it! Corruption runs deep in the House of So-Called Representatives.

I see Tales of The Crypt Keeper: John Dingell is the author... this guy has one foot in the grave. He doesn't give a SHYT.

Rep. John Dingell [D-MI15] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400110)hide cosponsors (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:DHTML_ToggleVisible%28%27cosponsors%27,%20%27 dhtmlbuttonMonoElementm0m1m0m1m0m1m0m0m1m9m3m0m%27 ,%20%27hide%20cosponsors%27,%20%27show%20cosponsor s%20%285%29%27%29)
Cosponsors [as of 2009-07-30]
Rep. Diana DeGette [D-CO1] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400101)
Rep. Frank Pallone [D-NJ6] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400308)
Rep. Bart Stupak [D-MI1] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400391)
Rep. Betty Sutton [D-OH13] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=412228)
Rep. Henry Waxman [D-CA30] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400425)

TCE
07-30-2009, 11:40 AM
Wow, HR 2749 has 5 CO-SPONSORS and it's moving this fast? RP's HR 1207 has 275 CO-SPONSORS and that POS Barney Frank is sitting on it! Corruption runs deep in the House of So-Called Representatives.

I see Tales of The Crypt Keeper: John Dingell is the author... this guy has one foot in the grave. He doesn't give a SHYT.

Rep. John Dingell [D-MI15] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400110)hide cosponsors (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:DHTML_ToggleVisible%28%27cosponsors%27,%20%27 dhtmlbuttonMonoElementm0m1m0m1m0m1m0m0m1m9m3m0m%27 ,%20%27hide%20cosponsors%27,%20%27show%20cosponsor s%20%285%29%27%29)
Cosponsors [as of 2009-07-30]
Rep. Diana DeGette [D-CO1] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400101)
Rep. Frank Pallone [D-NJ6] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400308)
Rep. Bart Stupak [D-MI1] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400391)
Rep. Betty Sutton [D-OH13] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=412228)
Rep. Henry Waxman [D-CA30] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400425)

It was based off of the "FDA Globalisation Act" if that gives you any clue.

Pepsi
07-30-2009, 11:53 AM
Another sweeping draconian measure from your representatives in Washington is quickly taking shape under H.R. 2749, the Food Safety Enhancement Act (FSEA) of 2009. Though not officially introduced until June 8, this bill seems to be the bill of choice for passage, as opposed to the eight other bills on the same subject that still sit in committees.

Members of the House Energy and Commerce Committee — Henry Waxman (D-Calif.), John Dingell (D-Mich.), Frank Pallone (D-N.J.), and Bart Stupack (D-Mich.) — met to discuss the bill on May 26, which 13 days bofore it was introduced. These congressmen are all sponsors of the bill. They also held a hearing on the bill on June 3, five days before it was officially introduced.

With pre-planning like this, it's no wonder that there's already an amendment to the bill, and that it has been voted out of the Health Subcommittee and already marked up in the Energy and Commerce Committee as a bill being fast-tracked.

Marketed as a bill to "amend the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act to improve the safety of food in the global market, and for other purposes," the bill in actuality extends U.S. government control over the food supply and those who produce it, using the issue of food safety as the rationale. In fact, the bill doesn't even address any bad food practices, especially those in foreign countries.

After thoroughly analyzing the text of H.R. 2749, the Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund reports that small farms and local producers and small business would be forced to endure "a one-size-fits-all regulatory scheme" that would "disproportionately impact their operations for the worse." The bill contains frightening and costly requirements, with severe penalties for individuals who are found non-compliant by the FDA.

Section 101 (b)(1)-p-3 requires food "facilities" to register annually and pay an annual fee of $500, with said amount to be adjusted for inflation at any time. While claiming that food facilities do not include farms, the FDA's current vague definition of a "farm" could open the door for the federal agency to designate many farms as food facilities at any time:

A facility in one general physical location devoted to the growing and harvesting of crops, the raising of animals (including seafood), or both. Washing, trimming of outer leaves of, and cooling produce are considered part of harvesting. The term "farm" includes:

(i) Facilities that pack or hold food, provided that all food used in such activities is grown, raised, or consumed on that farm or another farm under the same ownership; and

Facilities that manufacture/process food, provided that all food used in such activities is consumed on that farm or another farm under the same ownership. [21 CFR § 1.227(3)]

By this definition, one owns a farm if one consumes everything one produces, but if one sells any produce, one may no longer be considered a farm. And, a facility is any place that holds food; my kitchen pantry holds food, and so does my local grocery store and I've seen them wash and trim vegetables there, so if one were to adhere strictly to the terms above, a grocery store could be under the control of the FDA.

A "facility" according to the FDA is also applied to any place that holds, processes, or manufactures food, including lacto-fermented vegetables, cheeses, and breads. And manufacturing and processing is defined by the FDA to include any activity that uses, cutting, peeling, trimming, washing, waxing, eviscerating, rendering, cooking, baking, freezing, cooling, pasteurizing, homogenizing, mixing, formulating, bottling, milling, grinding, extracting juice, distilling, labeling, or packaging." [21 CFR § 1.227(6)]

That covers just about anything one could do to a product intended for consumption, and if shared, sold, or purchased, one would fall under the FDA's regulations, which then would spill over into other areas on the farm or in the business.

Under H.R. 2749 the FDA would require any such producer or holder of such products to develop a food safety plan to be submitted to the FDA for scrutiny. If the small business or farm can devote the time and resources to such a bureaucratic requirement, and if granted approval by the FDA, they then can be subject to "risk-based inspections" at any time for any reason or no reason, which in laymen's terms are better labeled warrantless searches.

And if that isn't enough to discourage the small farmer or entrepreneur, the required record keeping would be massive. All foods would have to be traced at all times, and animals would have to be tracked as well, by the farmer or businessman, and God help those who don't get it right. The penalties could land individuals up to 10 years in prison and fines of up to $100,000 for each violation for bad recordkeeping to misbranding, to food spoilage or contamination.

The FDA will make the determination to detain food, but the Secretary of Health and Human Services can issue geographic quarantines to be enforced by the FDA if there is "credible evidence or information" that indicates any food presents a threat of "adverse health consequences or death to human or animals," [21 USC 334(h)(1)(A)] OR if there is even a "reason to believe that the article [of food] is adulterated, misbranded or otherwise is in violation of this act," [section 132(a)-p. 82].

The nail in the coffin for any independent producer would be provisions in H.R. 2749 empowering the FDA to dictate farming practices. In fact, organic- and sustainable-farming practices could be eliminated outright under a scheme to regularize farming practices under the heading of safety standards. Raw meat may be subject to irradiation, and no one would be allowed to drink raw milk. Manure handling, sanitation, animal controls, and temperature controls would be under the FDA's discretionary power. For details, check section 104 of the text of the bill.

Food safety is best achieved at the local level; small farmers and local food processors are part of the solution to food safety, not the problem. Yet, this onerous Orwellian-style bill grants more and more power to an opaque and unaccountable agency, hyper-regulating small producers out of business or turning them into serfs for the state, and leaving the industrial food system and food imports completely alone to commandeer the marketplace.

It would seem then, that a centralized food system under the complete control of the government is the goal of this bill and others like it.

Oppose H.R. 2749, the Food Safety Enhancement Act (FSEA

Isaac Bickerstaff
07-30-2009, 11:57 AM
Here is a list of the folks we need to contact.
Please be polite. Most of these folks probably have not had time to read the bill and understand what it entails. It is an awfully rough time to be a congressperson.

---- YEAS 280 ---

Abercrombie
Ackerman
Adler (NJ)
Altmire
Andrews
Baca
Bachmann
Baird
Baldwin
Barrow
Barton (TX)
Becerra
Berkley
Berman
Berry
Biggert
Bilirakis
Bishop (GA)
Bishop (NY)
Boccieri
Boren
Boswell
Boucher
Boyd
Brady (PA)
Braley (IA)
Bright
Brown, Corrine
Buchanan
Burgess
Butterfield
Buyer
Camp
Cao
Capito
Capps
Capuano
Cardoza
Carnahan
Carney
Carson (IN)
Castle
Castor (FL)
Chandler
Chu
Clarke
Clay
Cleaver
Clyburn
Cohen
Connolly (VA)
Conyers
Cooper
Costa
Costello
Courtney
Crenshaw
Crowley
Cuellar
Cummings
Dahlkemper
Davis (AL)
Davis (CA)
Davis (IL)
Deal (GA)
DeFazio
DeGette
Delahunt
DeLauro
Dent
Diaz-Balart, L.
Diaz-Balart, M.
Dicks
Dingell
Doggett
Donnelly (IN)
Doyle
Driehaus
Edwards (MD)
Edwards (TX)
Ehlers
Ellison
Ellsworth
Engel
Eshoo
Etheridge
Farr
Fattah
Filner
Fortenberry
Foster
Frank (MA)
Frelinghuysen
Fudge
Gerlach
Giffords
Gingrey (GA)
Gonzalez
Gordon (TN)
Grayson
Green, Al
Green, Gene
Grijalva
Guthrie
Gutierrez
Hall (NY)
Halvorson
Hare
Harman
Hastings (FL)
Herseth Sandlin
Higgins
Hill
Himes
Hinojosa
Hirono
Hodes
Holden
Holt
Honda
Hoyer
Inslee
Israel
Jackson (IL)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Johnson (GA)
Johnson, E. B.
Kanjorski
Kaptur
Kennedy
Kildee
Kilpatrick (MI)
Kilroy
King (NY)
Kirk
Kirkpatrick (AZ)
Kissell
Klein (FL)
Kosmas
Kucinich
Lance
Langevin
Larsen (WA)
Larson (CT)
LaTourette
Lee (CA)
Lee (NY)
Levin
Lewis (GA)
Lipinski
LoBiondo
Loebsack
Lofgren, Zoe
Lowey
Lynch
Maffei
Maloney
Marchant
Markey (MA)
Matheson
Matsui
McCollum
McCotter
McDermott
McGovern
McIntyre
McMahon
McNerney
Meek (FL)
Meeks (NY)
Melancon
Michaud
Miller (MI)
Miller (NC)
Miller, George
Mitchell
Mollohan
Moore (KS)
Moore (WI)
Moran (VA)
Murphy (CT)
Murphy (NY)
Murphy, Patrick
Murphy, Tim
Murtha
Nadler (NY)
Napolitano
Neal (MA)
Nye
Oberstar
Obey
Olver
Ortiz
Pallone
Pascrell
Pastor (AZ)
Paulsen
Payne
Perlmutter
Peters
Peterson
Platts
Polis (CO)
Pomeroy
Price (NC)
Putnam
Quigley
Rahall
Rangel
Reichert
Reyes
Richardson
Rodriguez
Rogers (KY)
Rogers (MI)
Ros-Lehtinen
Roskam
Ross
Rothman (NJ)
Roybal-Allard
Ruppersberger
Rush
Ryan (OH)
Sánchez, Linda T.
Sanchez, Loretta
Sarbanes
Scalise
Schakowsky
Schauer
Schiff
Schrader
Schwartz
Scott (GA)
Scott (VA)
Serrano
Sestak
Shea-Porter
Sherman
Shimkus
Sires
Skelton
Slaughter
Smith (NJ)
Smith (WA)
Snyder
Space
Speier
Spratt
Stark
Stupak
Sutton
Tanner
Terry
Thompson (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Tiberi
Tierney
Titus
Tonko
Towns
Tsongas
Turner
Upton
Van Hollen
Velázquez
Visclosky
Walden
Walz
Wasserman Schultz
Waters
Watson
Watt
Waxman
Weiner
Wexler
Whitfield
Wilson (OH)
Wolf
Wu
Yarmuth

Mini-Me
07-30-2009, 12:04 PM
Pretty sure he's a rep out of Cal - total socialist/Marxist. He's been a big pusher of all the really BAD legislation out there...

http://www.moonbattery.com/rep-henry-waxman.jpg

wish I could find an image of him with cross hairs....

-t

Jesus! If I were an authoritarian dictator, the very first thing I'd do is outlaw that guy's face! :eek:

Seriously though, this is ridiculous. As Hollywood said, compare the cosponsors of this crap with the cosponsors of Audit the Fed...

Of course, my no-good freshman Congressman voted for it, just like he's voted in lockstep with pretty much everything coming out of this administration.


Here is a list of the folks we need to contact.
Please be polite. Most of these folks probably have not had time to read the bill and understand what it entails. It is an awfully rough time to be a congressperson.
If I believed in capital punishment, voting to pass a bill you haven't read is probably the very first crime I'd wish it applied to. There is NO EXCUSE. :mad:

Mini-Me
07-30-2009, 12:06 PM
Ack, ignore this...meant to edit my last post, instead made a new post, and fixed my mistake...sort of.

TCE
07-30-2009, 02:45 PM
The "debate" is going on right now on C-Span. Oh, and by the way, there are no opposing viewpoints on the floor, only members in favor may speak.

This will be voted on within the hour (before 6:00 EST).

heavenlyboy34
07-30-2009, 03:06 PM
you folks in Waxman's district need to break out the torches and pitchforks and go after him! lolz ;) (pissed off citizen mob humor)

TCE
07-30-2009, 03:20 PM
The bill will be passed within 25 minutes. Turn on C-Span to view the final vote, although I will post it here.

Sandman33
07-30-2009, 03:27 PM
This is Codex Alimentarius coming into play just like they said it would. By December this will be done.

Reason
07-30-2009, 03:45 PM
They are voting right now. 5 min vote.

Reason
07-30-2009, 03:51 PM
It just passed.

TCE
07-30-2009, 03:52 PM
Final Vote:

Yea: 283
No: 142

53 (Within five of that) Republicans voted "yea."

tangent4ronpaul
07-30-2009, 04:09 PM
did they do this under suspension of the rules again? - if so, it looks like the dems voted the same but a number of republicans went over.

has anyone found the CURRENT text of this legislation or know what they changed so that it would pass? What's ip on GovTrack is the June 8th version - not what was voted on yesterday and not the version voted on today.

thanks,

-t

TCE
07-30-2009, 04:12 PM
did they do this under suspension of the rules again? - if so, it looks like the dems voted the same but a number of republicans went over.

has anyone found the CURRENT text of this legislation or know what they changed so that it would pass? What's ip on GovTrack is the June 8th version - not what was voted on yesterday and not the version voted on today.

thanks,

-t

It was passed as a normal bill. And no, there is no current text as far as I can see. Same with Thomas.gov. Whatever happened to having five days for Americans to read the bill?

Isaac Bickerstaff
07-30-2009, 04:44 PM
did they do this under suspension of the rules again? - if so, it looks like the dems voted the same but a number of republicans went over.



-t

My Congressman was one that switched. (John Kline, CD2 Republican)
I hate him again.

btalex1990
07-30-2009, 06:01 PM
This is a DISASTER with ALL CAPS :eek:

My uncle grows organic food and even plans to sell it at the farmers market, he will get effected by this bill and he grows all healthy and when I eat the healthy food I don't get sick, whats the stupid government talking about healthy food doesn't cause viruses, seems like corporate farming is more dangerous

Sandman33
07-31-2009, 07:17 PM
This is very important people.

I don't think most understand just how dire this is.

TCE
07-31-2009, 08:08 PM
This is a DISASTER with ALL CAPS :eek:

My uncle grows organic food and even plans to sell it at the farmers market, he will get effected by this bill and he grows all healthy and when I eat the healthy food I don't get sick, whats the stupid government talking about healthy food doesn't cause viruses, seems like corporate farming is more dangerous

Consider how organic food is never the culprit when it comes to "foodborne diseases."

Sandman: The Swine Flu Vaccinations are going to be the genocide culprits, this we will have to wait a year or so for. The vaccines are priority one right now. We can kill this in the Senate, but the vaccines, as we have been shown, are likely to be given to us at gunpoint.