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Liberty Star
07-28-2009, 12:54 PM
There have some interesting developements ongoing on holy land settlements showdown between Obama and Israeli extemists. Who will prevail in the end?


NO, you can't


http://d.yimg.com/a/p/rids/20090727/i/r3661657603.jpg

Holy land rally walk photo on Drudge calling Obama "racist"



YES, I can

http://www.haaretz.com/hasite/images/iht_daily/D240709/rabbi.jpg

Photo of FBI sponsored walk of Israeli settler linked Rabbis in NY/NJ from few days ago after their massive money laundery ring was busted


NYT:

Telling Israel No: Obama's Bold Move

July 28, 2009

PARIS — President Barack Obama, who vowed to revive the Arab-Israeli peace process at the start of his term, has begun with a direct and public challenge to Israel’s latest plan to build new settlements in East Jerusalem.

It’s a risky move that has already provoked a sharp rebuke from Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. But it is hard to see how the peace process could move forward if Washington had remained silent.

Mr. Obama picked a small but symbolic issue, a 20-unit housing project on the site of the former Shepherd Hotel, sparking a full-blown diplomatic standoff. Just days after the United States objected to the project, the European Union, Russia and France did the same.

This gambit puts the settlement issue at the center of the table, even before the next round of Arab-Israeli negotiations starts — if it ever does. The downside is that it might only serve to harden Israel’s stance, without softening Arab positions.

The stalemate in the Middle East needs a new approach. By opening the most sensitive dossier first, Mr. Obama has delivered to Israel its first dose of tough love since the administration of President George H.W. Bush.

There can be no so-called two-state solution that doesn’t take into account the famous “facts on the ground,” created by Israel over international objections. At issue is the fate of about 300,000 Israeli settlers now living in the West Bank, and 190,000 in East Jerusalem.

Neither the United States nor the rest of the world has ever recognized Israel’s claim to the territories — including East Jerusalem, which is mostly Arab — that it captured after its victory in the 1967 Middle East war. By international standards, that makes housing projects for Jewish residents in those areas “settlements.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/29/world/europe/29iht-letter.html



Ironically this all is happening at the same time notorious pro apartheid group CUFI is holding a rally in Washington to support settlets.

If Obama prevailed , would these settler fanatics be sent back to Russia, Brooklyn or wherever they were imported from?

Does this mean that within the democratic party radical elements of Israel lobby are getting beaten down by moderates? Or is this all smoke screen?

Reason
07-28-2009, 01:07 PM
http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss324/Civilradiant/Palestinian_land_loss_Map.jpg

muh_roads
07-28-2009, 01:18 PM
I guess I need a history lesson. What was the excuse to give the j00s so much of the land that wasn't theirs at the time?

Liberty Star
07-28-2009, 01:23 PM
The signs are that the end of holy land occupation regime is near, with current democratic and demographic trends in holy land we'll probably see a christian or muslim man of Palestinian race elected as PM of Israel in coming few years marking death of current apartheid. Two state solution drama that has gone on for 40 years may have lived out its time.



Could it be Obama meant what he said when he was hanging out with Arabs:


Marking a change from the Bush administration, Obama said: "Israelis must acknowledge that just as Israel's right to exist cannot be denied, neither can Palestine's. The United States does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements. This construction violates previous agreements and undermines efforts to achieve peace. It is time for these settlements to stop."

While Obama had made similar statements to the Israeli prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, the tone of his remarks before an Arab audience took on a special resonance.

ChooseLiberty
07-28-2009, 04:01 PM
They made up an invisible entity and then said it gave them the land?

Think of the shekels they saved over paying for it. :D

BTW, what would happen if they just offered to PAY for the land in a civilized manner? Maybe let the Palestinians set up casinos on the West Bank?

Would that be too logical?





I guess I need a history lesson. What was the excuse to give the j00s so much of the land that wasn't theirs at the time?

Liberty Star
07-28-2009, 04:10 PM
They made up an invisible entity and then said it gave them the land?

Think of the shekels they saved over paying for it. :D

BTW, what would happen if they just offered to PAY for the land in a civilized manner? Maybe let the Palestinians set up casinos on the West Bank?

Would that be too logical?

That may be one the problems there, they never setup Casinos for Palestinians and just put them in a large open air prison after taking their land. Very uncivilized people.

Sandman33
07-28-2009, 05:00 PM
I hope a meteor hits it and wipes it CLEAN out...just a giant hole in the ground now swallowed up by the sea.

Wouldn't THAT just completely fuck up all the religious aspects :D

Dr.3D
07-28-2009, 05:03 PM
http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss324/Civilradiant/Palestinian_land_loss_Map.jpg

From the looks of those maps and the time line they represent, it seems there will be peace in the region very soon. :rolleyes:

Liberty Star
07-28-2009, 05:05 PM
Hard to tell if it will be a meteor but all indications are that end times are imminent. His warning was dismissed by many conservatives because of his ties to notorious CUFI group but could be telling the truth:

YouTube - John Hagee - Jesus is Coming Soon! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDFNLvWMBR8)

Nathan Hale
07-28-2009, 06:30 PM
http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss324/Civilradiant/Palestinian_land_loss_Map.jpg

Source this.

Nathan Hale
07-28-2009, 06:31 PM
I hope a meteor hits it and wipes it CLEAN out...just a giant hole in the ground now swallowed up by the sea.

Wouldn't THAT just completely fuck up all the religious aspects :D

Wow. You sound like your avatar with that comment.

Liberty Star
08-02-2009, 12:05 PM
Is Obama playing dirty or he has no hand in arrests of Rabbis with ties to settlers and now looming indictment of pro settler Lieberman over "graft charges"?


02/08/2009

Police: Indict Lieberman on multiple graft charges

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1104522.html


In other freedom news frm holy land:


02/08/2009

UN, U.K. slam Israel's eviction of Arab families from East Jerusalem

By Nir Hasson and Barak Ravid, Haaretz Correspondents and News Agencies

The evacuation of two Palestinian families from the homes in the disputed East Jerusalem neighborhood of Sheikh Jarrah on Sunday drew a slew of condemnations.

The neighborhood was at the center of escalating tensions between Israel and the U.S. last month, when Israel's plan to build some 20 new apartments there was revealed. The U.S. has demanded that the project be halted, but Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said two weeks ago that "Israel will not agree to edicts of this kind in East Jerusalem."


http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1104621.html