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aknappjr
09-25-2007, 09:00 PM
I believe the stars are aligning for a dark horse Republican candidate this year.


Intro:

The only dark horse in the race that has a chance to win the nomination is Ron Paul. As Peggy Noonan noted in the WSJ last week, “when half the room at the Republican debate erupts in applause for the anti-war candidate, something is going on.” With the GOP depressed, Ron Paul is the probably the only candidate who can beat Hillary Clinton. I say that because that is what the market is saying. I think his odds have gone from 200:1 to 15:1 to 8:1 on Sportsbook.



First; This is how Ron Paul the can actually wins:

* If 75% of the people in the US now call Iraq a mistake, that means that ½ the GOP realizes it has not gone well in some form. In their gut, most Republicans don’t like what has happened. If F-rudy Mc-Romney splits the pro war vote 4-5 ways, and Ron Paul captures the realist/unhappy/Scowcroft wing of the GOP, and the independents in open primary states, he can swing to victory. New Hampshire has been very against the war from the start and is an open primary.
* On Intrade, the betting website, the market is saying that there is only a 6% chance that Huckabee, McCain, Fred, Rudy or Mitt will drop out. This will split the GOP through the first month of primaries five ways.



Second: What is going on right now?

* Unscientific: He won the Fox news (dial-in) debate with 30% of the vote. He has won every post-debate poll. Either people like him, or he has great grass roots organization. He is the most searched for candidate on the internet; it is probably both.
* He has beaten Rudy in 18 out of 20 local straw polls.
* He has 45,000 volunteers in MeetUps. (Obama has 4,500, Hillary has 1,000, Fred has 180. Rudy has 0.) Ron Paul is on the same trajectory as Howard Dean. These numbers are increasing at 6% a week. A week. That would put him at 150,000 at the primaries, and he has yet to get mainstream media coverage.
* 60 Minutes (the people who brought you draft dodger report) have a segment on Ron Paul in the next few weeks.
* He has more money than McCain and the other (Huck, Hunter, Tancredo, Brownback).



Possible tipping points for Ron Paul:

* The first tipping point for Ron Paul was when he sparred with Rudy in May debate over why Al Queda attacked us. Ron Paul pretty much regurgitated the 911 commission report, Rudy didn’t like it. Ron Paul stood his ground. His campaign took off.
* One big endorsement will be the tipping point: A Greenspan. A Hagel. The GOP will stop laughing and embrace him. The GOP can line up behind him and say, he was right on this war. The neocons stole our party. We are Regan’s heirs. (Fact, he was one of the first Congressman to endorse RR in 76). This will allow the party to cut their losses on the bad trade.



His Record

* He has a perfect 30 year track record on lowering taxes. (Huckabee, McCain, Rudy, and Fred can’t say that.)
* His consistency on gay marriage, abortion and other values is straight line GOP/libertarian.
* He has never voted against the NRA. (Rudy can’t say it.)
* Highest approval rating from taxpayer advocates.
* The WSJ editorial page lines up with Ron Paul on every issue, but the war.
* He has never cross dressed.



by my friend BT

hard@work
09-25-2007, 09:02 PM
He raised $300,000 in two days.

Joe Knows
09-25-2007, 09:23 PM
I believe the stars are aligning for a dark horse Republican candidate this year.


Intro:

The only dark horse in the race that has a chance to win the nomination is Ron Paul. As Peggy Noonan noted in the WSJ last week, “when half the room at the Republican debate erupts in applause for the anti-war candidate, something is going on.” With the GOP depressed, Ron Paul is the probably the only candidate who can beat Hillary Clinton. I say that because that is what the market is saying. I think his odds have gone from 200:1 to 15:1 to 8:1 on Sportsbook.





I always just agree with them and say,

"Yeah, Maybe he won't win but I sure don't want to waste my vote."

(I usually pause for effect as this sinks in.) Then I say,

"75% of Americans are against the war, so if I vote for any of the prowar Republicans, Hillary wins. So why should I waste my vote and help Hillary?"

I have gotten a lot of people to think about how they are voting when they hear this.

richard1984
09-25-2007, 09:27 PM
I have a quick question (and this is not at all in refutation of your post--just something that I've been wondering): Where does the "70-75% of Americans are against the war in Iraq" statistic come from? What sort of polling are they using for these numbers?

I ask because of the polls that still have Ron Paul at 3-6%.

I agree with the relative accuracy of the anti-Iraq war poll, but I doubt the accuracy of the presidential polls (especially considering the awesome donations to the campaign here recently!).


So my question is: What am I to believe?! :confused:


(though I do have an idea...;))

erowe1
09-25-2007, 09:31 PM
Reply with this question, "If circumstances change between now and the date of your state's primary to make you believe that he has a chance, would you vote for him?"

constituent
09-25-2007, 09:31 PM
i say, you create your own reality...

that reality creates the world your children will inherit...

we say he will win, the establishment says he cannot...

but really it is up to you. only you have the power to build the world
which you see fit for your children and grandchildren to grow up in, not
the television, not the radio djs or newspapers, you. if you join the millions
of us who say he will win, nothing can stop us.

max
09-25-2007, 09:34 PM
I cant see any big name politicos endorsing Ron Paul....certainly not monopoly money Greenspan.

The real tipping point is going to be the all out media smear campaign that is inevitable...

I believe that if RP spends his money wisely to get his side of the story out....the media assault can actually help us..

Will the public see the media attacks as the corrupt Establishment's desperate attempt to hold onto power???.....or...will they buy the media's crap and turn away from the "extremist" Ron Paul?

Thats the $64,000 question.

I Am Weasel
09-25-2007, 09:35 PM
He raised $300,000 in two days.

ehem... he's raised $300,000 in 2 days from a GRASSROOTS effort! You won't see FOX mentioning anything like that. Now, if Obama or Hillary did, you bet they'd be all over that. THAT is the problem... and we all know it.

constituent
09-25-2007, 09:37 PM
max-

the public will see the media attacks as the corrupt Establishment's desperat attempt to hold onto power. truth is the trap whose teeth clench
their ankles... the more they struggle, the uglier it gets, to worse they are for the wear.

Jordan
09-25-2007, 09:55 PM
Ron Paul just needs a little more media coverage and hes got it locked.

Us, the Ron Paul grassroots really needs to start picking up our campaigns offline. Posters everywhere, flyers, everything.

If the Ron Paul supporters online show up to the primaries like they do on the internet, its a done deal.

Omnis
10-05-2007, 11:09 AM
"Ron Paul has no chance."

"Neither did Jimmy Carter, and Jimmy Carter is no Ron Paul."