Is Democracy a dirty word?

[Andrew-Austin]

I thought we'd solve this great debate the democratic way like growed-ups.

If the collective answers in the affirmative, then henceforth the word "democracy" will be censored as "d******y" on the forum.

[Conservative Christian]

Why do we need another thread discussing whether democracy is a "dirty word"?

This is already being debated in the thread entitled "Democracy is not a dirty word", posted by PaulaGem.

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[Andrew-Austin]

Why do we need another thread discussing whether democracy is a "dirty word"?

This is already being debated in the thread entitled "Democracy is not a dirty word", posted by PaulaGem.

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Because we must tackle all delemmas united as a whole. Individual arguments and opinions do not matter, the only thing that matters is what the collective thinks. Hence why this thread is a better way of concluding the debate.

[FrankRep]

"Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide."

~ John Adams, 2nd President of the United States


America is indeed committing suicide just as the founding father's predicted.

[Dr.3D]

Join the collective, "resistance is futile".

[Theocrat]

People are sinful creatures in the universe, and therefore, they are not capable of ruling autonomously. That is why God has given us His eternal law to establish what is right and wrong in human affairs. From that, all human law is to be based upon His perfect law. Thus, humans are to be governed by the rule of law, not the rule of the majority. Majorities are not always right. Rule of the people without the people themselves being ruled by God in their hearts is a simple act of futility, and it eventually leads to might makes right.

[UnReconstructed]

We are the Borg. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us.

http://peterdarling.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/01/23/borg.jpg

[Bman]

People are sinful creatures in the universe, and therefore, they are not capable of ruling autonomously. That is why God has given us His eternal law to establish what is right and wrong in human affairs. From that, all human law is to be based upon His perfect law. Thus, humans are to be governed by the rule of law, not the rule of the majority. Majorities are not always right. Rule of the people without the people themselves being ruled by God in their hearts is a simple act of futility, and it eventually leads to might makes right.

Theo. It was the same thing when religion was regarded as law over the majority. In all honesty we have more personal liberties than any religion based government has ever given its people.

Don't forget why so many people of religion fled to America in the first place.

A perfect world would not have any ruling class, just people living with other people. Alas, we are all just prisoners here of our own device.

Given the choices Democracies have been more successful in giving freedoms than any Theocracy could ever hope to achieve.

[Reason]

failboat poll options?

[Conservative Christian]

Theo. It was the same thing when religion was regarded as law over the majority. In all honesty we have more personal liberties than any religion based government has ever given its people.

Don't forget why so many people of religion fled to America in the first place.

A perfect world would not have any ruling class, just people living with other people. Alas, we are all just prisoners here of our own device.

Given the choices Democracies have been more successful in giving freedoms than any Theocracy could ever hope to achieve.

Your argument = MONUMENTAL FAIL.

The United States of America is not a Democracy, it has ALWAYS been a Constitutional Republic.

Democracies have always been the abject failures that the Founding Fathers wisely realized them to be.

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[Objectivist]

It's a good thing the United States of America was formed as a Republic huh?
I was never big on Greek anyway, Latin works much better.

[TurtleBurger]

According to the dictionary, a democracy and a republic are the same thing. A constitutional republic is a democracy that pays lip service to 300-year-old rich WASP guys, but in practice is also the same thing.

[FrankRep]

According to the dictionary, a democracy and a republic are the same thing. A constitutional republic is a democracy that pays lip service to 300-year-old rich WASP guys, but in practice is also the same thing.


"Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide."

~ John Adams, 2nd President of the United States


America is indeed committing suicide just as the founding father's predicted.


Well Gosh, that must mean the founding father's didn't support a Constitutional Republic, which they created.

No, in reality, the dictionary you are using is wrong.


Republic vs. Democracy
YouTube - The American Form of Government (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DioQooFIcgE)

[TurtleBurger]

democracy: government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.

republic: a state in which the supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by representatives chosen directly or indirectly by them.




democracy: a: government by the people ; especially : rule of the majority b: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections

republic: a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president b: a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law




republic: democracy

democracy: republic

Notes: a democracy is confined to a small spot while a republic is extended over a large region



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[FrankRep]

Your own definitions show a Republic is NOT a Democracy.

Thesaurus.com is on crack.

[TurtleBurger]

Your own definitions show a Republic is NOT a Democracy.

Thesaurus.com is on crack.

The dictionary definitions say the same thing in different words. A republic/democracy is a state where citizens rule either directly or through elected representatives

[FrankRep]

The dictionary definitions say the same thing in different words. A republic/democracy is a state where citizens rule either directly or through elected representatives

Those definitions are extremely dumbed down. You realize that right?

TurtleBurger, do you know the difference between a Direct Democracy and a Representative Democracy? If you say they are the same thing, I may just have to :facepalm: you.

In either case, a Republic is "Rule of Law" while Democracy is "Rule of the people."

[TurtleBurger]

Those definitions are extremely dumbed down. You realize that right?

Could be, maybe the words mean whatever the user wants them to mean. After all, China, North Korea, and the Soviet Union all refer/referred to themselves as republics.

[NerveShocker]

Because we must tackle all delemmas united as a whole. Individual arguments and opinions do not matter, the only thing that matters is what the collective thinks. Hence why this thread is a better way of concluding the debate.

Uh there's a battle between collectivism and individualism. I'm pretty sure most Ron Paul supporters consider themselves individualist.. you're thread makes no sense and your explanation of why you made it is just.. terrible.

[Dr.3D]

Uh there's a battle between collectivism and individualism. I'm pretty sure most Ron Paul supporters consider themselves individualist.. you're thread makes no sense and your explanation of why you made it is just.. terrible.

That was sarcasm!