Border Patrol Agent Killed

[Reason]

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-border-patrol25-2009jul25,0,4007020.story

[Reason]

no one has anything to say about this....

[Sarge]

I do.

My deepest sympathy to his wife and two children. And thank you for your husbands service to protect our border.

My son worked that station around three years ago before transferring to AZ. For all I know, he could have been the agent that replaced our son.

[Kludge]

no one has anything to say about this....

Nothing to analyze, nothing to add. Doubt the family will be searching for sympathy here. Unfortunate event, but nothing too uncommon, perhaps less the circumstances.

[KCIndy]

no one has anything to say about this....


I have quite a bit to say in regard to the issues of illegal immigration, law enforcement in general and the Border Patrol in particular. That being said, I don't feel comfortable using the subject of someone's violent death to springboard the conversation. My sympathies, too, to the family of the Border Patrol agent.

My only other personal note would be to add that I was driving through southwest Texas yesterday and noticed a BP agent lowering the flag to half mast at a local station. My wife and I were trying to figure out what had happened to cause the flag to be lowered, but we didn't hear about the shooting until this morning.

[Reason]

Arrest in Border Patrol agent death

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/jul/25/bn26border204032/

[Uriel999]

:mad::(

[Bman]

Just another good reason to end the war on drugs.

[Conservative Christian]

Just another good reason to end the war on drugs.

There's nothing in the article that indicates the killing was drug-related.

Are you suggesting that all illegals who come in the country are involved with drug operations?

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[Carson]

Here is the link to the Department of Homeland Security website memorial blog page.


Complete with comment section.



http://www.dhs.gov/journal/theblog/2009/07/in-line-of-duty.html#comment-form

Here is your chance to let them know what you think and maybe win them over to law and order.

[dannno]

no one has anything to say about this....

This death is obviously the fault of every illegal alien ;)

[erowe1]

Bman's assumption is pretty sound. In all likelihood this is another casualty in the war on drugs.

[Lavoro]

Are BP agents armed? If not, they should be.

[LibertyEagle]

Very sad. :(

[Carson]

Also there are a couple of threads at ALIPAC (http://www.alipac.us/).

Here is the link to one;

http://www.alipac.us/ftopic-164248-days0-orderasc-0.html



Also Save Our State (http://www.saveourstate.org/vforums/index.php?). ( May need Registration);

http://www.saveourstate.org/vforums/showthread.php?t=52827



Also at No More Invasion (http://www.nomoreinvasion.com/);

http://www.nomoreinvasion.com/forum/index.php?topic=4232

[Conservative Christian]

Bman's assumption is pretty sound. In all likelihood this is another casualty in the war on drugs.

There's nothing "sound" about stating an unfounded opinion.

Solid evidence and verifiable documentation are what makes a statement "sound".

Thus far, Bman and yourself have provided nothing that would help prove your assumption.

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[Sarge]

They are Federal Agents under the Department of Homeland Security. They are armed.

I think all know the penalty for killing a Federal Agent.

The Border Patrol Agents funeral is tomorrow.

[Sarge]

This news might have the story on what happened,

http://www.startribune.com/world/51707687.html?elr=KArks:DCiUBcy7hUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUU

[Carson]

Here is a little more on the funeral tomorrow from an email.


Subject: MEMORIAL SERVICE SATURDAY for Agent Rosas, Campo BP Station, 6-9 pm !


This will be the public service and candlelight vigil for Agent Rosas. (Friday's service in El Centro is private for family and fellow agents only - Robert lived in El Centro as does most of his family).

http://photos.imageevent.com/stokeybob/newbegining/excid_410-220097430512598754at13071999.jpg


What: A Tribute to border agent Robert Rosas, killed in the line of duty on July 23, 2009.

Where: Campo Border Patrol Station where Robert was stationed.
http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/border_security/border_patrol/border_patrol_sectors/sandiego_sector_ca/stations/sandiego_campo.xml (http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/border_security/border_patrol/border_patrol_sectors/sandiego_sector_ca/stations/sandiego_campo.xml)

32355 Old Highway 80
Pine Valley, CA
(I-8, exit Kitchen Creek Rd. - map link below)

When: 6 - 9 pm. Formal Ceremony at 7pm.

Who: All members of the public and off-duty BP and LE officers are invited.

Bring: Candles, flowers, small flags, cards, etc.

Many of our civilian border watch friends knew Robert. It was common to see him on the front lines at the Campo area border. He always had a smile and a big "thank you" when he greeted Minutemen and border volunteers in the field. He will be deeply missed by his friends, fellow agents, and a grateful public.

http://photos.imageevent.com/stokeybob/newbegining/excid_184671-220097430512598755at13071999.jpg



Mapquest for Campo Station:
http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=Pine+Valley&state=CA&address=32355+Old+Highway+80#a/maps/l::32355+Old+Highway+80:Pine+Valley:CA:91962-4803:US:32.718673:-116.474391:address:San+Diego+County:1/m::12:32.718599:-116.474303:0:::::1:1:1::/io:0:::::f:EN:M:/e

[Sarge]

Thank you for that information.

Our son is leaving early in the am. for CA. He was asked to attend for his sector, as he worked at that sector before his transfer here. He knows everyone there.

He could not leave tonight, as he is a dog handler and could not leave his dog alone for that long. I would go over to his house and and baby sit that cupcake but, they are considered a government employee so, I am not allowed to do that.

What a nice looking family. Very sad for his wife and children.

[Oyate]

Bummer. Father of two. As an Arizonan I reject Janet Napolitano's empty sentiments. She left our borders wide open while forcing us into real-id and WHTI compliant IDs with Mexico. In every way but bodily, Janet is on the other side of the fence.

[powerofreason]

If he pulled the gun first he deserved it. He's wasn't defending private property.

[Objectivist]

no one has anything to say about this....

I've said it before..... mines!

[jmdrake]

If he pulled the gun first he deserved it. He's wasn't defending private property.

:rolleyes: Considering what happened to Ramos and Campeon he probably didn't pull his gun at all.

[powerofreason]

:rolleyes: Considering what happened to Ramos and Campeon he probably didn't pull his gun at all.

I don't know the whole story, I'm just saying that he doesn't have a right to stop immigrants from crossing the border. That doesn't mean he ought to die, but if he pulled a gun on some innocent people and got shot then evil lost.

[jmdrake]

I don't know the whole story, I'm just saying that he doesn't have a right to stop immigrants from crossing the border. That doesn't mean he ought to die, but if he pulled a gun on some innocent people and got shot then evil lost.

He not only has a right, he has a responsibility. But almost all border agents carry out that responsibility without shooting people. They even restrain from shooting people when their own lives are in danger. I saw a clip on youtube showing an agent with gun drawn starring down rock wielding illegals. That same clip showed the effect of an agent who got hit with one of those softball sized rocks. It wasn't pretty. You want open borders advocate new laws. Or better yet move to Britain.

[powerofreason]

He not only has a right, he has a responsibility.

In your twisted world maybe. Invisible lines in the sand don't mean jack. The only boundaries that need to be respected are private property boundaries. Border agents are state sponsored crooks.

[erowe1]

Does anybody have any more information, especially any evidence that might overturn the most reasonable working assumption that this is a consequence of the war on drugs?

[Conservative Christian]

Does anybody have any more information, especially any evidence that might overturn the most reasonable working assumption that this is a consequence of the war on drugs?

You are making a completely unfounded ASSumption.

There has been absolutely NO evidence presented in this thread, that would indicate this event was a consequence of the war on drugs.

No drugs were found at the scene.

Are you suggesting that because the killer was an illegal immigrant crossing the border, he MUST be involved with running drugs? :rolleyes:


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[erowe1]

You are making a completely unfounded ASSumption.


Yes, it is an assumption, like I said. And as far as I can tell, it's a good one. You have said nothing to indicate otherwise except to repeat what I said, which is that it's an assumption, as though we are not supposed to make assumptions, or as though we would not be assuming anything if we assumed it were not drug related.



There has been absolutely NO evidence presented in this thread, that would indicate this event was a consequence of the war on drugs.


Has there been any evidence that it was not drug related? If not, then I'll stick with the best assumption which is that it was. But I'm perfectly willing to consider any evidence to the contrary if any exists.



No drugs were found at the scene.


Of course not. Why would there be? You think a drug smuggler would leave drugs on a border agent he killed like some kind of calling card?



Are you suggesting that because the killer was an illegal immigrant crossing the border, he MUST be involved with running drugs? :rolleyes:
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No I'm not. I'm just suggesting that it's most likely. Surely you don't disagree with that do you? You can't possibly think that it's more likely that drugs were not involved than it is that they were, do you? If so, I'd be interested in seeing your reasons (or are you just making an assumption?). It's better to assume that the most likely explanation is the true one, rather than assuming that the least likely one is. But like you said, evidence trumps assumptions. So do you have evidence or no?

[LibertyEagle]

If he pulled the gun first he deserved it. He's wasn't defending private property.
:mad:

Bullshit. You live in a country that has borders. Whether you like that fact or not, that is the fact.

I don't know the whole story, I'm just saying that he doesn't have a right to stop immigrants from crossing the border.
He damn sure did!!! We have immigration laws in this country and he was hired to enforce them.


That doesn't mean he ought to die, but if he pulled a gun on some innocent people and got shot then evil lost.

:mad:

I have a lot of other words in mind right now, but because I am a Moderator, I cannot say them.

[Deborah K]

As a minuteman who lives not very far from where this happened, I can say without qualification on behalf of MCDC that we are all very, very saddened by this event.

[Deborah K]

If he pulled the gun first he deserved it. He's wasn't defending private property.


This statement proves that you are beyond ignorant.

[Deborah K]

There's nothing in the article that indicates the killing was drug-related.

Are you suggesting that all illegals who come in the country are involved with drug operations?

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CC, Mark and I patrolled the border once a month for two years. Everytime we spotted immigrants coming over to work - they NEVER had weapons. We've never spotted drug smugglers, but others who have say they always carry long-arms at the very least. You can spot them a mile away.

[powerofreason]

:mad:

Bullshit. You live in a country that has borders. Whether you like that fact or not, that is the fact.

He damn sure did!!! We have immigration laws in this country and he was hired to enforce them.



:mad:

I have a lot of other words in mind right now, but because I am a Moderator, I cannot say them.

Giggle giggle. Your laws are not legitimate.

[Conservative Christian]

Has there been any evidence that it was not drug related? If not, then I'll stick with the best assumption which is that it was. But I'm perfectly willing to consider any evidence to the contrary if any exists.

Anybody who understands the basic rules of logic realizes that I am NOT obligated to prove a negative.

You are making the claim that it was drug related, thus the burden of proof falls entirely on you.

Since you have presented no credible evidence to support your hypothesis, we must reject your unsubstantiated claim.

So your hypothesis = MONUMENTAL FAIL.

Better luck next time! :p

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[Conservative Christian]

Anarchists = Closet Totalitarians and FedGov agents.

Every single anarchist society in world history has failed miserably, and usually in very short order.

Not to mention that Communists, Nazis, Fascists and numerous other totalitarian groups ACTIVELY PROMOTED anarchy as a tool for furthering socialist revolution.

Their agents created anarchy in the streets, knowing that the people would be so desperate to escape the chaos, that they would welcome the imposition of a powerful government to "restore order".

Anarchy is merely a stepping stone to totalitarianism.

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[Dianne]

Is it true, that these border patrol agents are not allowed to carry weapons to defend themselves? FEDS (Frequently engineered derelicts in society) want these poor dudes to pretend they are keeping you safe as they sleep... all the while thousands of swine flu invested maggots, are working on .... cough...... Nancy Bitchosli's winerys in California. And never forget, Nancy's husband is a real estate entrepreneur who is raking in billions from the foreclosure market..... God.......save us from this disgusting scourge of low life humanity.

[Carson]

Here is a link to some of the pictures from the funeral.

http://www.nomoreinvasion.com/forum/index.php?topic=4242.new#new