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FrankRep
07-23-2009, 12:37 PM
A militant Islamist group, Hizb ut-Tahrir al Islami (The Islamic Liberation Party), held a recruiting conference in Chicago on Sunday July 19. by William F. Jasper


"Islamists" Denounce Capitalism, Call for Global Caliphate (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/election/1499)


William F. Jasper | The New American (http://www.thenewamerican.com/)
23 July 2009


A militant Islamist group, Hizb ut-Tahrir al Islami (The Islamic Liberation Party), held a recruiting conference in Chicago on Sunday July 19. Not surprisingly, the major liberal-left media pretty much ignored the event, as they have done with countless similar events in recent years.

Also not surprisingly, some of the media usually designated as "conservative" — led by Fox News — went in the other direction, hyperventilating with headlines that almost gave the impression Osama bin Laden himself might be appearing at the conference.

Writing for the CounterTerrorism Blog, Madeleine Gruen addressed this reality disconnect in a July 19 column entitled, "Hizb ut-Tahrir America: Let's Not Exaggerate; Let's Be Accurate." (http://counterterrorismblog.org/2009/07/hizb_ut-tahrir_america_lets_no.php) In her opening paragraph, Gruen noted:


Over the past few weeks, and particularly in the last 24 hours, there has been an upward spiral of exaggeration and untruths in the US media and in the blogosphere, and also from Hizb ut-Tahrir (HT), about the nature of Hizb ut-Tahrir America's (HTA) Khilafah conference, which is being held today at the Hilton in Oak Lawn, IL.

This morning, "Fox and Friends" featured an interview with one of the activists who will be protesting outside of the conference venue. Fox's headline blared, "Al Qaeda Holding Recruiting Conference at Chicago Hilton." This is like a bizarre game of "Telephone" in which the nature of the threat has been distorted from one media report to another, until the message has been distilled to the crudest level. There is no need to overstate the potential threat a group like HTA poses in the United States by shrieking "al-Qaeda." It does not need to be al-Qaeda to be dangerous.

Agreed. But is HT/HTA dangerous? Yes, although probably not for the alleged connections of HT to terrorists Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Abu Musab al-Zarqawi — connections that have been widely reported but not substantiated. Hizb ut-Tahrir is dangerous for two reasons that are rarely (if ever) mentioned: 1) Contrary to popular lore, HT is not promoting "Islamic extremism," but, rather, a fusion of Marx and Mohammed, Islamo-Leninism, if you will, and; 2) It is frequently cited by so-called experts (including supposed conservatives) as a prime example of why we must ally ourselves with (and pump billions of dollars in aid, arms, and technology into) Leninist regimes in Uzbekistan, Tajikstan, Kyrgyzstan, and Russia, where HT is alleged to be particularly active.

Naturally, Hizb ut Tahrir insists that it is completely peaceful. In an interview with CBS, HT spokesman Reza Imam disputed the labels of "extremist" and "radical" that have been used to describe the group and reiterated the group's claim that it does not advocate or support violence.

A banner across the top of the group's home page (http://english.hizbuttahrir.org/) on the worldwide web reads:

"Official Website of Hizb ut Tahrir — a political party whose ideology is Islam." On its "About Us" self-description web page, the group says:


Hizb-ut-Tahrir is a political party whose ideology is Islam. Its objective is to resume the Islamic way of life by establishing an Islamic State that executes the systems of Islam and carries its call to the world. Hizb-ut-Tahrir has prepared a party culture that includes a host of Islamic rules about life's matters. The party calls for Islam in its quality as an intellectual leadership from which emanate the systems that deal with all man's problems, political, economic, cultural and social among others. Hizb-ut-Tahrir is a political party that admits to its membership men and women, and calls all people to Islam and to adopt its concepts and systems. It views people according to the viewpoint of Islam no matter how diverse their nationalities and their schools of thought were. Hizb-ut-Tahrir adopts the interaction with the Ummah in order to reach its objective and it struggles against colonialism in all its forms and attributes in order to liberate the Ummah from its intellectual leadership and to deracinate its cultural, political, military and economic roots from the soil of the Islamic lands.

The Investigative Project on Terrorism, which appears to have been about the only organization to send a reporter to the HT Chicago conference, filed a story on July 20 entitled "Hizb Ut-Tahrir: Shariah Takes Precedence over U.S. Constitution. (http://www.investigativeproject.com/)" It begins:


Hizb ut-Tahrir (HT), the international movement to re-establish an international Islamic state — or Caliphate — kicked off a new campaign to win American recruits Sunday afternoon in this Chicago suburb. Nearly 300 people packed the Grand Ballroom of the Hilton Hotel for its Khalifah Conference on "The Fall of Capitalism and the Rise of Islam" to listen to HT ideologues blame capitalism for World War I and World War II; the U.S. subprime mortgage meltdown; the current violence in Iraq and Afghanistan; world poverty and malnutrition and inner-city drug use.

A speaker identified as Abu Atallah even blamed capitalism for the late singer Michael Jackson's decision "to shed his black skin."

The Fall of Capitalism, the Rise of Islam

The Islamo-Leninist tilt of HT is noticeable in both its ideology (political, economic, social, and psychological) and its structure. However, you needn't take my word for it, nor is it necessary for you to plow through hundreds of pages of HT political screed. The International Crisis Group (ICG), a globalist operation run by folks from (currently, or in the recent past) the UN, the World Bank, and the Council on Foreign Relations, and funded by George Soros (who sits on the ICG board of directors and executive committee) says that "parts of the [HT] constitution look like a somewhat Islamicised socialism."

That's from the ICG Asia Report of June 30, 2003, entitled "Radical Islam in Central Asia: Responding to Hiz ut-Tahrir (http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:sDvHArY1FH0J:merln.ndu.edu/archive/icg/centralasiahizbuttahrir.pdf+Sheikh+Abdul+Qadeem+Za lloom&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari)," which likens HT to the communist Ba'ath parties of Iraq and Syria. (Hizb ut-Tahrir founder Sheikh Taqiuddin an-Nabhani was also a principal founder of the Ba'ath Party of Jordan). Here are a few more relevant excerpts (italics added) from the ICG report:


The Islamic state proposed by Hizb ut-Tahrir is a utopian Islamic ideal that few Muslims would recognise as either attainable or desirable.... Indeed, there are many parallels between the Soviet state and the Islamic state proposed by Hizb ut-Tahrir, including the presumption of constant revolution/jihad with other powers....

Like many Arab political parties that emerged after the 1930s, Hizb ut-Tahrir took on characteristics of a modern political party, with a program and structures. Many of these parties found inspiration in early Leninist ideas, echoing the concept of the party as a revolutionary vanguard. Most took on an ideology of nationalism or socialism, or both....

Nevertheless, Hizb ut-Tahrir had much more in common in terms of political structure with secular parties such as the Ba'athists, later to become a ruling party in Iraq and Syria, than it did with the major Islamic political movement, the Muslim Brotherhood....

While it claims to be based on early Islamic history, the party [HT] owes much to modern revolutionary movements such as Leninism....

It relies on a cell structure akin to early Communist organisations, with strict internal discipline to avoid infiltration and maintain ideological purity.

Franco Burgio notes in his study, Hizb Ut-Tahrir In Central Asia: Messengers of a Coming Revolution? (http://books.google.com/books?id=AUZRd_E8cmkC&pg=PA46&lpg=PA46&dq=hizb+ut-tahrir+vanguard+revolution&source=bl&ots=oNByAEoNto&sig=deQPGV4SbepNwmHPsNkM2qs1gdw&hl=en&ei=Yw5oSrzKLI_-tQPbkvGTBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1):


One possible explanation expressed for why HuT has been able to find a foothold in Central Asia is that this region was already familiar with the Leninist lexicon (vanguard, confrontation, revolution) used by the party. It was the same language that had been spoken in the region for the past 80 or so years.

When HuT arrived in Central Asia using the same language, it appeared to some people as a continuation of the previous political system, with Mecca replacing Moscow as the locus of veneration.

The imagery and the rhetoric utilized by Hizb ut-Tahrir in its publications, videos, and on its website (as well as its "Fall of Capitalism, Rise of Islam" conference) should ring a bell with those familiar with the "Red Shiism (http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-26212425_ITM)" adopted by the Ayatollah Khomeini's revolutionary regime in Iran. Developed by Persian Marxist Ali Shariati and the Chamran brothers (Mustapha and Mahdi), Red Shiism is a synthesis of communism and Shia Islam. Although the Tehran regime is often described in the West as "Islamic fundamentalist," it has more in common with the Soviet Union than any Muslim kingdom of yesteryear. So it is that the Khomeinists in Tehran have always gotten on famously with the communists in Moscow, Beijing, Havana, Pyongyang, Managua, Caracas, and elsewhere. Khomeini and his Islamo-Leninist heirs have no problem collaborating with the atheist communist tyrants who are persecuting their Muslim brothers throughout China and the former Soviet Union. The Khomeinists know they never could have succeeded in toppling the Shah if not for the help from the communist regimes and their surrogates (with the foremost being Moscow-sponsored terrorist Yassir Arafat and the PLO).

In 2007, the Ahmadinejad regime in Tehran held a special "Che like Chamran (http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles/07/10/17/10160716.html)" conference, honoring communist revolutionary Che Guevera and Red Shia pioneer Mustapha Chamron. Comrade Guevera's son and daughter were flown in to participate in the event.

Although Hizb ut-Tahrir is active in the United States, Europe, and the Middle East, it appears to have its strongest following in Central Asia where the still-communist, Moscow-aligned regimes in Uzbekistan, Kryrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and Turkmenistan, with their KGB-trained security services, have excelled at creating and running "false flag" operations masquerading as "Islamists."

Lobbyists for the "Formerly" Communist Regimes

Hizb ut-Tahrir has conveniently provided the former Soviet states of Central Asia with a political card they have adroitly played with the United States — with the help of some well-placed lobbyists.

Perhaps the most oft-cited U.S. expert on HT is Zeyno Baran, a Central Asia scholar for the Nixon Center and the Hudson Institute. Her writings have appeared in National Review (http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/baran200404020933.asp) and Foreign Affairs (http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/61200/zeyno-baran/fighting-the-war-of-ideas), journal of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), where she argues for embracing (and financing) the repressive Stalinist regimes of Central Asia as strategic allies against the spread of radical Islamist ideology. She has also testified frequently before congressional committees.

Much of the misinformation that has accumulated in the "fact" base regarding HT is a result of the disinformation (http://cicentre.com/disinformation.htm) (dezinformatsiya in Russian, meaning deliberate false information) planted by the mini KGBs of Central Asia and retailed (wittingly or unwittingly) by Baran and her fellow "scholar" lobbyists. Egregious examples of this can be seen in Baran's willingness to accept at face value the claims of the Stalinist dictator of Uzbekistan, Islam Karimov (a longtime communist of the Soviet era) that the Tashkent bombings of 1999 and the Andijon Massacre of 2005 were the work of Uzbek Islamic terrorists, when it was apparent to many observers that these events bore the markings of "provocations" or "false flag" operations of the SNB, the name of the Uzbek KGB.

Solid critiques of the Baran viewpoint of these events by other Central Asia scholars can be found here (http://wustl.academia.edu/documents/0009/7023/kendzior_akromiya.pdf) and here (http://www.wilsoncenter.org/topics/pubs/OP296.pdf).



More on Hizb ut-Tahrir and Central Asian false flag operations tomorrow.



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SOURCE:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/election/1499

Fozz
07-23-2009, 12:42 PM
This Islamist bashing of capitalism is a folly because the prophet Muhammad was a businessman.

Young Paleocon
07-23-2009, 03:56 PM
Good luck getting various Arab tribes, Turks, Pashtuns, Kurds, Indonesians, Persians, Baluchi, Tajiks, and all the other Muslim peoples to agree on a Caliphate, let alone the whole fucking world.

Liberty Star
07-23-2009, 04:01 PM
So Barack Hussein Obama is not the global caliphate leader?

He's the closest thing they'll get unless an Iraqi descent arab becomes freedom US President in coming few years.

dannno
07-23-2009, 04:17 PM
This Islamist bashing of capitalism is a folly because the prophet Muhammad was a businessman.

Sometimes I think people throw the term capitalism around when their real problem is with our banking system. If people understood our fraudulent banking system and blamed that instead of free enterprise, I think the false left-right paradigm just might collapse :eek:

t0rnado
07-23-2009, 04:24 PM
I somehow doubt that the oil barons in Saudi Arabia and the property tycoons in Dubia are going to like the idea of living under a Caliphate.

Fozz
07-23-2009, 04:38 PM
Sometimes I think people throw the term capitalism around when their real problem is with our banking system. If people understood our fraudulent banking system and blamed that instead of free enterprise, I think the false left-right paradigm just might collapse :eek:

Definitely, and most educated Muslims who criticize capitalism mainly have a problem with usury, not the laws of supply and demand or free enterprise in general. Also a lot of people (Muslim and non-Muslim) think that capitalism is all about greed and money, and they don't distinguish between corporatism and capitalism.

Fractional reserve banking and paper money are definitely the root of the problem.

FrankRep
03-15-2010, 08:32 PM
Hizb ut-Tahrir in the news...

Associated Press
March 14, 2010


Islamic group protests Obama's visit to Indonesia (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=235817)


The group, an international network which believes Muslims should unite in a single global state governed by Islamic law, urged the Indonesian government to reject the American leader's trip, scheduled for late March.
....



"He doesn't work for a peaceful world ... on the contrary, Obama is the same as George Bush, who has destroyed the Muslim world in Iraq and Afghanistan. Therefore we have to reject the visit of Obama to Indonesia," said Nasrudin, who, like many Indonesians, uses only one name.


SOURCE:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=235817

sofia
03-15-2010, 09:17 PM
Birch Society propaganda...

The main reason I left the JBS years ago was its anti-Arab/anti Muslim fanatacism.

JBS gets big money from some wealthy jewish donors. That's why JBS NEVER talks about the USS Liberty, or the Mossad.

AuH20
03-15-2010, 09:31 PM
Birch Society propaganda...

The main reason I left the JBS years ago was its anti-Arab/anti Muslim fanatacism.

JBS gets big money from some wealthy jewish donors. That's why JBS NEVER talks about the USS Liberty, or the Mossad.

Actually, they call it like they see it, instead of partaking in a false love affair with arab states. Israel, arab states.............it's all the same endgame. If you lie down with dogs, you're guaranteed to get fleas.

Fozz
03-15-2010, 09:32 PM
Birch Society propaganda...

The main reason I left the JBS years ago was its anti-Arab/anti Muslim fanatacism.

JBS gets big money from some wealthy jewish donors. That's why JBS NEVER talks about the USS Liberty, or the Mossad.

Does the JBS support our interventionist wars with Muslim countries?

sofia
03-15-2010, 09:35 PM
Actually, they call it like they see it, instead of partaking in a false love affair with arab states. Israel, arab states.............it's all the same endgame. If you lie down with dogs, you're guaranteed to get fleas.


In 1967, when the JBS was at its peak.....they said NOTHING about the murderous Israeli attack on the USS Liberty...

a deliberate attack that killed 37 Americans.

The JBS pumps out anti Arab propaganda linking Arab governmrnts to "terrorism"....yet ignoring Israel's history of false flags..

former JBS Council member Revilo Oliver accused JBS of having several big jewish donors....the reason he says that JBS NEVER criticizes the Israeli Lobby

FrankRep
03-15-2010, 09:36 PM
The main reason I left the JBS years ago was its anti-Arab/anti Muslim fanatacism.

JBS gets big money from some wealthy jewish donors. That's why JBS NEVER talks about the USS Liberty, or the Mossad.

The John Birch Society isn't secretly controlled by Jews. :rolleyes:


Here's some Mossad articles.


U.S. Scientist Accused of Spying for Israel (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/crime/2129-us-scientist-accused-of-spying-for-israel)

The New American
21 October 2009


Former NASA scientist Stewart Nozette has been charged with attempting to sell classified information about U.S. military satellites to Israel.

The FBI conducted a sting operation in which an agent posed as an operative with Israel’s intelligence agency, Mossad. Nozette was arrested after he offered to trade secrets for cash and an Israeli passport. His high-level security clearance had enabled him to obtain classified information from NASA, the Pentagon, and the energy department laboratory where he worked on a radar system that detected ice on the moon.


No State Sponsors, No Terror (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/world-mainmenu-26/asia-mainmenu-33/1670)

The New American
18 August 2009


The question that dominated the news headlines and the blogosphere in the immediate aftermath of Mugniyeh’s assassination was: who did it? No one claimed credit for the deed. The most likely suspect, and the one most often cited, was the Israeli Mossad. Some pointed to the CIA (and/or the FBI, which had placed a $5 million bounty on Mugniyeh). Some suggested a joint Mossad/CIA operation.

sofia
03-15-2010, 09:37 PM
Does the JBS support our interventionist wars with Muslim countries?

no....


but they deliberately ignore Israeli false flags and AIPAC domination of mid east policy

AuH20
03-15-2010, 09:37 PM
In 1967, when the JBS was at its peak.....they said NOTHING about the murderous Israeli attack on the USS Liberty...

a deliberate attack that killed 37 Americans.

The JBS pumps out anti Arab propaganda linking Arab governmrnts to "terrorism"....yet ignoring Israel's history of false flags..

former JBS Council member Revilo Oliver accused JBS of having several big jewish donors....the reason he says that JBS NEVER criticizes the Israeli Lobby

If that was the case, they why haven't they endorsed all these various intrusions into the Middle East? If their jewish donors are so persuasive, why tread lightly?;) Secondly, if they have maintain the blessing of powerful Jewish backed interests, wouldn't you think the state-run media would treat them kinder?

FrankRep
03-15-2010, 09:38 PM
Does the JBS support our interventionist wars with Muslim countries?

The John Birch Society shares the same Non-Interventionist foreign policy views as Ron Paul.

sofia
03-15-2010, 09:38 PM
The John Birch Society isn't secretly controlled by Jews. :rolleyes:


Here's some Mossad articles.


U.S. Scientist Accused of Spying for Israel (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/crime/2129-us-scientist-accused-of-spying-for-israel)

The New American
21 October 2009


Former NASA scientist Stewart Nozette has been charged with attempting to sell classified information about U.S. military satellites to Israel.

The FBI conducted a sting operation in which an agent posed as an operative with Israel’s intelligence agency, Mossad. Nozette was arrested after he offered to trade secrets for cash and an Israeli passport. His high-level security clearance had enabled him to obtain classified information from NASA, the Pentagon, and the energy department laboratory where he worked on a radar system that detected ice on the moon.


No State Sponsors, No Terror (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/world-mainmenu-26/asia-mainmenu-33/1670)

The New American
18 August 2009


The question that dominated the news headlines and the blogosphere in the immediate aftermath of Mugniyeh’s assassination was: who did it? No one claimed credit for the deed. The most likely suspect, and the one most often cited, was the Israeli Mossad. Some pointed to the CIA (and/or the FBI, which had placed a $5 million bounty on Mugniyeh). Some suggested a joint Mossad/CIA operation.

lol....girlie punches on minor matters....just to make them look "impartial"


ask McManus and Jasper if New American is ever gonna do a piece on the USS Liberty?..or the 5 dancing Israelis arrested on 9/11

sofia
03-15-2010, 09:41 PM
If that was the case, they why haven't they endorsed all these various intrusions into the Middle East? If their jewish donors are so persuasive, why tread lightly?;)

I didnt say they are zionist controlled.....just saying that for a few jewish dollars they are willing to look the other way on USS Liberty, 9/11 Mossad links, and AIPAC

FrankRep
03-15-2010, 09:45 PM
lol....girlie punches on minor matters....just to make them look "impartial"

ask McManus and Jasper if New American is ever gonna do a piece on the USS Liberty?

If you want Hard-hitting Anti-Israel / Anti-Jewish articles, your best bet is joining the Stormfront website.

sofia
03-15-2010, 09:47 PM
If you want Hard-hitting Anti-Israel / Anti-Jewish articles, your best bet is joining the Stormfront website.

what a stupid response...you cant refute my allegation regarding JBS's 40 years of odd, deafening, silence on the USS Liberty massacre......so you bring up "Stormfront"....

BlackTerrel
03-15-2010, 10:54 PM
A militant Islamist group, Hizb ut-Tahrir al Islami (The Islamic Liberation Party), held a recruiting conference in Chicago on Sunday July 19. Not surprisingly, the major liberal-left media pretty much ignored the event, as they have done with countless similar events in recent years.

Why should they cover it? This is a fringe group yes? The equivalent of say the KKK, JDL, or Westboro Baptist Church. How many members does this group have?

FrankRep
03-15-2010, 11:07 PM
Why should they cover it? This is a fringe group yes? The equivalent of say the KKK, JDL, or Westboro Baptist Church. How many members does this group have?

The Associated Press (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=235817) calls the Hizb ut-Tahrir al Islami an "international network" with connections to over 40 countries and around million members (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hizb_ut-Tahrir).

Not a fringe group group.

FrankRep
03-16-2010, 07:16 AM
"Associated Press"???.....you cite the rabidly pro-Zionist Associated Press as an authority on Islamic groups???

I'll quote the actual website of the group.


Hizb ut-Tahrir (http://www.hizb-ut-tahrir.org/index.php/EN/def)

http://www.hizb-ut-tahrir.org/index.php/EN/def



Hizb ut-Tahrir is a political party whose ideology is Islam, so politics is its work and Islam is its ideology. It works within the Ummah and together with her, so that she adopts Islam as her cause and is led to restore the Khilafah and the ruling by what Allah (swt) revealed. Hizb ut-Tahrir is a political group and not a priestly one. Nor is it an academic, educational or a charity group. The Islamic thought is the soul of its body, its core and the secret of its life.
...

Its aim is to resume the Islamic way of life and to convey the Islamic da'wah to the world. This objective means bringing the Muslims back to living an Islamic way of life in Dar al-Islam and in an Islamic society such that all of life's affairs in society are administered according to the Shari'ah rules, and the viewpoint in it is the halal and the haram under the shade of the Islamic State, which is the Khilafah State . That state is the one in which Muslims appoint a Khaleefah and give him the bay'ah to listen and obey on condition that he rules according to the Book of Allah (swt) and the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allah (saw) and on condition that he conveys Islam as a message to the world through da'wah and jihad.
...


What is the Khilafat / Caliphate Movement? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khilafat_Movement)


The Caliphate is an Islamic system of governance in which the state rules under Islamic law. Caliph literally means "successor" or "representative" and emphasizes religious authority for the head of state. It was adopted as a title by the Ummayad Caliphs and then by the Abbasid Caliphs, as well as by the Fatimid Caliphs of North Africa, the Almohad Caliphs of North Africa and Spain and the Ottoman Dynasty. Most historical Muslim rulers were sultans or amirs, and gave token obedience to a caliph who often had very little real authority. Moreover, the Muslim clergy, the ulema and the various Sufi orders, exercised more religious influence than the Caliph.
...


Hizb ut-Tahrir is bad news for Western Culture.

Sofia, you and Hizb ut-Tahrir may share a common enemy, but they're certainly not your friend.

sofia
03-16-2010, 07:49 AM
I'll quote the actual website of the group.


Hizb ut-Tahrir (http://www.hizb-ut-tahrir.org/index.php/EN/def)

http://www.hizb-ut-tahrir.org/index.php/EN/def



Hizb ut-Tahrir is a political party whose ideology is Islam, so politics is its work and Islam is its ideology. It works within the Ummah and together with her, so that she adopts Islam as her cause and is led to restore the Khilafah and the ruling by what Allah (swt) revealed. Hizb ut-Tahrir is a political group and not a priestly one. Nor is it an academic, educational or a charity group. The Islamic thought is the soul of its body, its core and the secret of its life.
...

Its aim is to resume the Islamic way of life and to convey the Islamic da'wah to the world. This objective means bringing the Muslims back to living an Islamic way of life in Dar al-Islam and in an Islamic society such that all of life's affairs in society are administered according to the Shari'ah rules, and the viewpoint in it is the halal and the haram under the shade of the Islamic State, which is the Khilafah State . That state is the one in which Muslims appoint a Khaleefah and give him the bay'ah to listen and obey on condition that he rules according to the Book of Allah (swt) and the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allah (saw) and on condition that he conveys Islam as a message to the world through da'wah and jihad.
...


What is the Khilafat / Caliphate Movement? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khilafat_Movement)


The Caliphate is an Islamic system of governance in which the state rules under Islamic law. Caliph literally means "successor" or "representative" and emphasizes religious authority for the head of state. It was adopted as a title by the Ummayad Caliphs and then by the Abbasid Caliphs, as well as by the Fatimid Caliphs of North Africa, the Almohad Caliphs of North Africa and Spain and the Ottoman Dynasty. Most historical Muslim rulers were sultans or amirs, and gave token obedience to a caliph who often had very little real authority. Moreover, the Muslim clergy, the ulema and the various Sufi orders, exercised more religious influence than the Caliph.
...


Hizb ut-Tahrir is bad news for Western Culture.

Sofia, you and Hizb ut-Tahrir may share a common enemy, but they're certainly not your friend.

I see nothing wrong with they are saying.

They want to restore true Islamic rule to their Muslim nations. How is that any of my concern? Where do they say they want to attack America?...The term "jihad" refers mainly to the war within ourselves of good vs evil.

"Islamic Law" is portrayed in the West as some sort of horrible oppression. But under true Islam, there is no usury, no National Debt, no consumer Debt, ....and you dont have the sad spectacle you see in the West of teenage girls giving out blow jobs at "Rainbow Parties", 40% out-of-wedlock birth rate, rampant adultery, "gay pride," millions of abortions, constant porn on TV etc.

The Islamic system is also highly decentralized and respects private property.

FrankRep
03-16-2010, 08:05 AM
They want to restore true Islamic rule to their Muslim nations. How is that any of my concern? Where do they say they want to attack America?...The term "jihad" refers mainly to the war within ourselves of good vs evil.

Only Muslim Nations? Hizb ut-Tahrir wants the world to be ruled by Islam.


Hizb ut-Tahrir - America
http://hizb-america.org/

Hizb ut-Tahrir - Britain
http://www.hizb.org.uk/hizb/index.php

Hizb ut-Tahrir - France
http://albadil.edaama.org/

Hizb ut-Tahrir - Germany
http://www.islam-projekte.com/

sofia
03-16-2010, 08:11 AM
Only Muslim Nations? Hizb ut-Tahrir wants the world to be ruled by Islam.


Hizb ut-Tahrir - America
http://hizb-america.org/

Hizb ut-Tahrir - Britain
http://www.hizb.org.uk/hizb/index.php

Hizb ut-Tahrir - France
http://albadil.edaama.org/

Hizb ut-Tahrir - Germany
http://www.islam-projekte.com/

William Jasper is a bigoted little prick......I bet he's never had a Muslim friend in his life....How about actually reading what this group has to say before you smear them??...From their Q&A section:
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7. What is the work of Hizb ut-Tahrir in non-Muslim countries like the United States of America?

In non-Muslim countries like the United States, Hizb ut-Tahrir works to cultivate a Muslim community that lives by Islam in thought and deed, whereby adhering to the rules of Islam and preserving a strong Islamic identity. The party does not work in the West to change the system of government, but works to project a positive image of Islam to Western society and engages in dialogue with Western thinkers, policymakers and academics.

FrankRep
03-16-2010, 08:20 AM
In non-Muslim countries like the United States, Hizb ut-Tahrir works to cultivate a Muslim community that lives by Islam in thought and deed, whereby adhering to the rules of Islam and preserving a strong Islamic identity. The party does not work in the West to change the system of government, but works to project a positive image of Islam to Western society and engages in dialogue with Western thinkers, policymakers and academics.

http://hizb-america.org/about-us/hizb-ut-tahrir

Hizb ut-Tahrir is a political party whose ideology is Islam, so politics is its work and Islam is its ideology. It works within the Ummah and together with her, so that she adopts Islam as her cause and is led to restore the Khilafah and the ruling by what Allah (swt) revealed.

Live_Free_Or_Die
03-16-2010, 08:27 AM
"Islamic Law" is portrayed in the West as some sort of horrible oppression. But under true Islam, there is no usury, no National Debt, no consumer Debt, ....and you dont have the sad spectacle you see in the West of teenage girls giving out blow jobs at "Rainbow Parties", 40% out-of-wedlock birth rate, rampant adultery, "gay pride," millions of abortions, constant porn on TV etc.

The Islamic system is also highly decentralized and respects private property.

Quite a bold claim property is respected and nowhere near true. No separation of church and state.... no thank you.

BlackTerrel
03-16-2010, 01:47 PM
"Islamic Law" is portrayed in the West as some sort of horrible oppression. But under true Islam, there is no usury, no National Debt, no consumer Debt, ....and you dont have the sad spectacle you see in the West of teenage girls giving out blow jobs at "Rainbow Parties", 40% out-of-wedlock birth rate, rampant adultery, "gay pride," millions of abortions, constant porn on TV etc.

What exactly are you advocating here? How does Islamic law stop things like adultery, out of wedlock births etc?

ClayTrainor
03-16-2010, 02:10 PM
"Islamic Law" is portrayed in the West as some sort of horrible oppression.
What do you think of Natural Law, max? Is Islamic Law consistent with that?

Do you support natural law?



But under true Islam, there is no usury, no National Debt, no consumer Debt, ....and you dont have the sad spectacle you see in the West of teenage girls giving out blow jobs at "Rainbow Parties", 40% out-of-wedlock birth rate, rampant adultery, "gay pride," millions of abortions, constant porn on TV etc.


And under true communism everyone has free health care, and natural resources aren't scarce. It's a fantasy, and an excuse to use violence, just like Islam.

You realize that many of these things you listed, like gay rights, adultery and even porn acting have been punishable by death in Sharia law, right? That's not oppression?

sofia
03-16-2010, 02:58 PM
What do you think of Natural Law, max? Is Islamic Law consistent with that?

Do you support natural law?


And under true communism everyone has free health care, and natural resources aren't scarce. It's a fantasy, and an excuse to use violence, just like Islam.

You realize that many of these things you listed, like gay rights, adultery and even porn acting have been punishable by death in Sharia law, right? That's not oppression?

Slavery to one's vices is the cruelest oppression of all.

Islamic Law....and all other forms of moral order...support the natural law. Societies that abandon moral restraints perish

....societies that embrace them will thrive. Moral codes are the underpinning of of strong families and true liberty....

Whereas libertine conduct undermines the family structure and always leads to tyranny.

Live_Free_Or_Die
03-16-2010, 03:14 PM
Slavery to one's vices is the cruelest oppression of all.

Islamic Law....and all other forms of moral order...support the natural law. Societies that abandon moral restraints perish

....societies that embrace them will thrive. Moral codes are the underpinning of of strong families and true liberty....

Whereas libertine conduct undermines the family structure and always leads to tyranny.

Slavery to an idea like one religion is a big vice. But I do agree that those kind of vices are the cruelest oppression of all. Someone always telling someone else how to live.

Moral codes do not support natural law. Natural law is anarchy and survival of the fittest. Moral codes are someone's opinion on how someone else ought to live.

It is not societies that abandon moral restraints which perish. Like minded people who live in any geographic region have historically enjoyed the most domestic peace. People who want to tell other people how they should live cause war. Too many people sharing the same piece of earth that do not agree on ideas causes war.

furface
03-16-2010, 03:28 PM
Right

erowe1
03-16-2010, 03:38 PM
This Islamist bashing of capitalism is a folly because the prophet Muhammad was a businessman.

So? The biggest opponents capitalism has are businessmen.

ClayTrainor
03-16-2010, 05:21 PM
Islamic Law....and all other forms of moral order...support the natural law. Societies that abandon moral restraints perish


Why call it Islamic law, if it fully "supports" the natural law? How does islamic law differ from natural law? Are you saying Islamic Law, as well as other forms of law, are the application of Natural Law? Could the same be argued or the Constitution or the Communist Manifesto? They are forms of moral order, after all, in their own interpretation of morality...



....societies that embrace them will thrive. Moral codes are the underpinning of of strong families and true liberty....


I'd be interested to know how you define morality, and what firm principles you hold. You favor the state regulating against my personal bad habits and choices, correct?