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PeacePlan
07-22-2009, 09:38 PM
http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2009/07/whats-in-healthacre-bill.html (http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2009/07/whats-in-healthacre-bill.html)

Following the mad recommendations of Peter Singer made in NYT's Sunday magazine, it pays to take a look at what is actually in the healthcare bill.

It's worse than you can possibly imagine. Somehow, it manages to be Singer on steroids. Who wrote this bill. It has Singer's footprints all over it.

Peter Fleckstein (aka Fleckman) is reading it and has been posting on Twitter his findings. This is from his postings (Note: All comments are Fleckman's)

Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!

Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benes u get

Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!

Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose UR HC Benefits 4 you. U have no choice!

PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided 2 ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise

Pg 58HC Bill - Govt will have real-time access 2 individs finances & a National ID Healthcard will b issued!

Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access 2 ur banks accts 4 elect. funds transfer

PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan 4 retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN).

Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange 2 bring priv HC plans under Govt control.

PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Govt mandates ALL benefit pkgs 4 priv. HC plans in the Exchange

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration ur Healthcare!

PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Govt mandates linguistic approp svcs. Example - Translation 4 illegal aliens

Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps 2 sign up indiv. for Govt HC plan

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs of Ben Levels 4 Plans. #AARP members - U Health care WILL b rationed

PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Indiv. will b automat.enrolled in Medicaid. No choice

pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt Monop

pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ #AMA - The Govt will tell YOU what u can make.

Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into pub opt plan. NO CHOICE

Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay 4 HC 4 part time employees AND their families.

Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Emplyr w payroll 400k & above who does not prov. pub opt. pays 8% tax on all payroll

pg 150 Lines 9-13 Biz w payroll btw 251k & 400k who doesnt prov. pub. opt pays 2-6% tax on all payroll

Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesnt have acceptable HC accrdng 2 Govt will be taxed 2.5% of inc

Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from indiv. taxes. (Americans will pay)

Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access 2 ALL Americans finan/pers recs

PG 203 Line 14-15 HC - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that

Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Govt will reduce physician svcs 4 Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected

Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill - Doctors, doesnt matter what specialty u have, you'll all be paid the same

PG 253 Line 10-18 Govt sets value of Dr's time, prof judg, etc. Literally value of humans.

PG 265 Sec 1131Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries

PG 268 Sec 1141 Fed Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs

PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!

Page 280 Sec 1151 The Govt will penalize hospitals 4 what Govt deems preventable readmissions.

Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Drs, treat a patient during initial admiss that results in a readmiss-Govt will penalize u.

Pg 317 L 13-20 OMG!! PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Drs. what/how much they can own.

Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand

pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have oppt to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can u say ACORN?!!

Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Govt mandates estab. of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing

Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Govt has authority 2 disqual Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing peeps in2 Govt plan

Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs ppl! WTF. My sis has down syndrome!!

Pg 379 Sec 1191 Govt creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory Cmtte. Can u say HC by phone?

PG 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life

Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of atty. Mandatory!

PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Govt provides apprvd list of end of life resources, guiding u in death

PG 427 Lines 15-24 Govt mandates program 4 orders 4 end of life. The Govt has a say in how ur life ends

Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An "adv. care planning consult" will b used frequently as patients health deteriorates

PG 429 Lines 10-12 "adv. care consultation" may incl an ORDER 4 end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOV

Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.

PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Govt will decide what level of treatment u will have at end of life

Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services=Non profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Svcs here!!?

Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment 2 a community-based org. Like ACORN?

PG 489 Sec 1308 The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Govt in2 ur marriage

Pg 494-498 Govt will cover Mental Health Svcs including defining, creating, rationing those svcs

Here's the full Health Care bill that sits in the House.

[/URL][url]http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.pdf (http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...=f:h3200ih.pdf)

klamath
07-22-2009, 10:07 PM
Thank you for the breakdown. That is pretty intrusive in all areas.

sevin
07-22-2009, 10:15 PM
Start now. Eat right. Take multivitamins. Stop smoking. Exercise.

If this bill happens, we will not have the same kind of care as current seniors.

PeacePlan
07-22-2009, 10:24 PM
Thank you for the breakdown. That is pretty intrusive in all areas.


This is the one that gets to me the most.

PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided 2 ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise

People from other countries who are sick will come by the thousands to get this health care

This just gets me pissed................

slothman
07-22-2009, 10:28 PM
This is the one that gets to me the most.

PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided 2 ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise

People from other countries who are sick will come by the thousands to get this health care

This just gets me pissed................
Many Americans go to other countries like those in SE Asia because it is so expensive here.

Bman
07-22-2009, 10:30 PM
Many Americans go to other countries like those in SE Asia because it is so expensive here.

Now wait I think we are on to something. We can start exporting sick people to China and pay them less to take care of our sick peoples health.:D

klamath
07-23-2009, 07:32 AM
bump for morning viewers

armstrong
07-23-2009, 08:41 AM
Bump until everyone reads this : everyone in the country that is

MsDoodahs
07-23-2009, 08:46 AM
This is bad.

Stary Hickory
07-23-2009, 09:23 AM
Man it is not bad it is a nightmare. If people knew this was in the Health Care Bill there would be a major outcry. This is serious 1984 stuff. It has no place in a free society.

DapperDan
07-23-2009, 10:48 AM
Nightmare? I'd go a step further and say it's hell.

Definitely will be spreading this around to inform people. This is atrocious.

jkr
07-23-2009, 10:56 AM
i may need to buy a boat...

coyote_sprit
07-23-2009, 10:58 AM
Nightmare? I'd go a step further and say it's hell.


We're playing Diablo?

But on a serious note, think of the children who don't have health insurance.:rolleyes:

DapperDan
07-23-2009, 10:59 AM
We're playing Diablo?

But on a serious note, think of the children who don't have health insurance.:rolleyes:

Took me a second to figure that out....Nightmare/Hell modes lol XD. I guess the gubment is Diablo or Baal haha.

It's always about the children....always. Otherwise you're selfish!

Mahkato
07-23-2009, 11:04 AM
I'd appreciate an English version of this.

moostraks
07-23-2009, 11:10 AM
wow...it was everything I was expecting, but on steroids. This is hideous. I am so discouraged right now.

Stary Hickory
07-23-2009, 12:21 PM
I have sent this out to everyone I can find. Post it and email it, just get this information out there. Keep sending it until every question or discussion about this bill revolves around this atrocious stuff.

Otherwise I am not sure what will happen, I cannot see America standing by and obeying such authoritarian garbage.

PeacePlan
07-23-2009, 12:32 PM
I have posted this on a few sites and sent it to everyone in my email address book. I think I will also send it to Lou Dobbs and that asshole Hannity.

Rael
07-23-2009, 12:39 PM
Has anyone verified this information? Anyone can post on Twitter you know.

klamath
07-23-2009, 01:28 PM
Has anyone verified this information? Anyone can post on Twitter you know.
I verified some of it. There is a link to the actual bill at the bottom. Take a look.

FSP-Rebel
07-23-2009, 01:42 PM
Wow, this is amazing. No wonder that they decided to delay the vote til fall. They just need some time to have the audit the fed talk blow-over and then they'll be back for more. I'll definitely spread that info around, though.

Rael
07-23-2009, 06:05 PM
Several of the things the guy says appear to be wrong. Some of the page and line numbers he listed don't match at all what he claims it says. Others appear to quite exaggerated.

klamath
07-23-2009, 06:51 PM
Several of the things the guy says appear to be wrong. Some of the page and line numbers he listed don't match at all what he claims it says. Others appear to quite exaggerated.
You might want to point out exactly what they were because a general condemnation like this is not helpful.