Is There a Libertarian Health Care Plan on the Table in Congress?

[clb09]

I would like to know if any libertarian caucuses have or will introduce a bill to counter the Obamanation Tax and Spend Bill.

For example:

http://www.hr676.org/ (or) http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/show

What do you think?

[acptulsa]

A libertarian health care reform plan wouldn't be a new bill, it would be the repeal of a number of old ones. And I'd happily support it.

[Working Poor]

Somebody correct me if I am wrong but, I think the lib. way is for the government to get out of the health care business....

[TCE]

Somebody correct me if I am wrong but, I think the lib. way is for the government to get out of the health care business....

1. End Medicare and Medicaid.
2. End subsidization of vaccines, drugs, and any other kind of medicine (drives costs WAY up).
3. Get rid of forced vaccinations and other forced medical procedures.
4. Lift the restrictions on all supplement manufacturers so they can tell the truth about their products.
5. End the Department of Health and Human Services.

Just what I could think of off the top of my head.

[Brian4Liberty]

Sen Jim DeMint was just making a speech about how many free-market proposals have been out there the past few years. He said that all the Democrats vote against every proposal to open the markets up (including Obama of course).

[acptulsa]

And repeal all the laws that enable Monsanto to replace food with garbage on our market shelves and call it healthier.

[TCE]

And repeal all the laws that enable Monsanto to replace food with garbage on our market shelves and call it healthier.

I was going to get into the statist farm laws that hurt real food and continue to subsidize high fructose corn syrup and soy, but I wanted to try and stick a bit with the original topic. Your statement did need to be said, though, and I agree with it completely.

[paulitics]

Get the fed out of the health care business period. Problem solved. States that want to be as socialist as Romneycare can fall on their ass by themesleves, and learn the hard way. The majority of states would not go that route because it doesn't work long term, and would result in a mass exodus of productive workers.

[Zippyjuan]

4. Lift the restrictions on all supplement manufacturers so they can tell the truth about their products
There are very few restrictions on supplement manufacturers. Their products do not even have to contain the substances they claim to. About the only restrictions in effect now are that they cannot make benefit claims they cannot prove and they cannot contain harmful ingredients.

But yeah, Libertarians would not like to see any sort of national healthcare plan. If you can't afford to go to the doctor, too bad.

[LibertyEagle]

A libertarian health care reform plan wouldn't be a new bill, it would be the repeal of a number of old ones. And I'd happily support it.

Well, someone could write a bill whose only purpose would be to revise the offending legislation into nothingness, or to just revoke it.

I think putting something forth like this has merit. At least it would show that we actually had a plan on the table to fix the problems. An alternative, if you will.

[jmdrake]

Why has nobody mentioned Ron Paul's own health care proposals?

YouTube - Congressman Ron Paul on Healthcare (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foXQbmZxWYY)

Give individuals the same tax benefit for healthcare spending as you do corporations. Repeal the antitrust restrictions on doctors so that they can negotiate with patients for arbitration boards in order to get the lawyers out. Here's the bill he introduced in 2007.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-3343

[TCE]

There are very few restrictions on supplement manufacturers. Their products do not even have to contain the substances they claim to. About the only restrictions in effect now are that they cannot make benefit claims they cannot prove and they cannot contain harmful ingredients.

But yeah, Libertarians would not like to see any sort of national healthcare plan. If you can't afford to go to the doctor, too bad.

If they step a toe out of line, the FDA pounces on them and makes sure they ae financially hampered. Just look at Ephedra. The FDA jumped on the 62 (I think) deaths which were circumstantial, but when Vioxx was clearly killing thousands, and maybe over 100,000 people, the FDA was nowhere to be found.

Also, the violation of free speech is depressing.

[clb09]

YouTube - Obama please show us the birth certificate!!!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUOPUNYvd7U&feature=related)

YouTube - Lou Dobbs Fill in Pilgram: "Overwhelming Evidence Obama's Birth Cert. is Real." Does Dobbs Know? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0Ru7dnfSjI)

[acptulsa]

Give individuals the same tax benefit for healthcare spending as you do corporations. Repeal the antitrust restrictions on doctors so that they can negotiate with patients for arbitration boards in order to get the lawyers out. Here's the bill he introduced in 2007.

Nothing wrong with it. Now all we have to do to get it passed is get the corporate lobbies and the lawyers out of Washington and put some people more interested in the patients than their money in.

[idirtify]

Why has nobody mentioned Ron Paul's own health care proposals?


I suspect the reason that more folks here don’t address the problems that underlie health care is because most of them still secretly believe that government regulation will protect them better than the free market. It is with the subjects of health care and drugs that an individual’s true colors often show through, and the real source of government coercion is revealed. Many Libertarians and Liberty Foresters still secretly support government intervention into these things because they do not trust capitalism when it comes to medicine and their health. Although said intervention is well known to be the source of the high cost of health care, what’s left of their Puritan anti-materialism (prejudice against wealth and money and the profit incentive) will not let them admit that complete deregulation is the solution to the health care crisis. They might claim to advocate the free-market when it comes to less intimate subjects, but they become suspiciously quiet about the core problems when it comes to drugs and medicine and physical health. They engage in great amounts of talk about the problems of medical care but never mention the underlying cause. The hypocrisy is thick.

The two main holdouts within the libertarian and freedom movements are government regulated medicine and health care and street-drug prohibition. You will see more beating-around-the-bush within these subjects than any other.

Which explains why no one has yet posted the no-brainer “plan” for libertarian health care:

Eliminate the FDA
Eliminate the DEA
Eliminate the DHHS
Eliminate the prescription drug system
Eliminate all doctor licensing requirements
ELIMINATE ALL GOVERNMENT REGULATION OF HEALTH CARE AND DRUGS AND MEDICINE.

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[idirtify]

In fact (allow me to rub it in, and bump it up), all those here who balk when given the opportunity to blame government regulation as the true culprit behind the health-care crisis technically DESERVE whatever escalation of health-care regulation the government chooses to ram down your throats – because you asked for it.

[Brian Defferding]

Unfortunately many voters think our quasi-private health care system is free market, and the free markets "have failed." It just means we have to keep informing the public and spreading the word on how free market solutions will help, what regulation needs repealing, and also mythbust all the claims the universal health care/single payer supporters are saying (like those who champion Norway, Sweden and Canada's health care system).

[Bucjason]

A libertarian believes government has no right to get involved in health care , so this is a stupid question.

To propose a plan would be hypocritical....

[Pauls' Revere]

Well, someone could write a bill whose only purpose would be to revise the offending legislation into nothingness, or to just revoke it.

I think putting something forth like this has merit. At least it would show that we actually had a plan on the table to fix the problems. An alternative, if you will.

Pay as you go, no shoes, no shirt, no service. Buy your own insurance plan. Shop around for providers to cover massive expenses not the common cold stuff. If your lucky, your employer can provide if they wish or contribute to the plan you choose. Perhaps a percentage of your pay that you decide want deducted matched dollar for dollar or some other amount. I know, this asking way to much responisbility from people.

[Brian Defferding]

A libertarian believes government has no right to get involved in health care , so this is a stupid question.

To propose a plan would be hypocritical....

Well, I think some sort of "repeal plan" might be a good thing to go through, like listing specific steps that would have a big, positive and immediate impact in health care. For instance, like lifting the ban on reimported prescription drugs, or put pressure from Congress on the states to lift state mandates and encourage full 50-state-wide health insurance commerce. Stuff like that.

[Bucjason]

Well, I think some sort of "repeal plan" might be a good thing to go through, like listing specific steps that would have a big, positive and immediate impact in health care. For instance, like lifting the ban on reimported prescription drugs, or put pressure from Congress on the states to lift state mandates and encourage full 50-state-wide health insurance commerce. Stuff like that.


True True... and pass something to protect doctors from frivilous malpractice lawsuits. That alone would do wonders to bring down prices.

[georgiaboy]

Yeah, something that would be able to show a real reduction in dollars would be really smart.

De-regulate by repealing laws & elminating bureaucracies, pass on the savings to taxpayers.

Increase tax deductions for medical-based charities.

Get people thinking in the right directions.