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bobbyw24
07-21-2009, 07:12 AM
http://www.alternet.org/politics/141440/republicans_will_be_toast_in_2010_if_the_dems_pass _health_reform%2C_and_they_know_it/

Republicans Will Be Toast in 2010 If the Dems Pass Health Reform, and They Know It
By Adele M. Stan, AlterNet
Posted on July 21, 2009, Printed on July 21, 2009
http://www.alternet.org/story/141440/


If President Barack Obama succeeds in signing a major health care reform bill into law -- one that provides a public plan for people currently priced out of the system -- he will achieve what at least three presidents before him had hoped for, and failed to do. And he will likely deprive the Republican minority in Congress from anything approaching a comeback in the 2010 midterm elections.



However, if health care reform does not pass early in Obama's term, the Democrats will likely face midterm elections amid rising unemployment figures with a record of having passed legislation characterized as "bailouts" for megabanks and large corporations -- bills whose benefits to the economy have little impact on the person who has already lost a job. So GOP leaders are focused like a laser beam on stopping health-care reform in its tracks.


As Congress cleared two major hurdles last week toward agreement on the provisions in such a bill, the Republican pique approached a new level of shrillness.



Just days after three committees in the House of Representatives passed a jointly crafted bill for a future floor vote, and an important Senate committee passed a version that is reconcilable with the House bill, Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., showed the GOP hand. On a conference call with a group of right-wing operatives, according to Politco's Ben Smith, DeMint said, "If we're able to stop Obama on this, it will be his Waterloo. It will break him." (He was talking to members of Conservatives for Patients' Rights, some of the people sponsoring those right-wing tea-bag protests.)


Appearing on Meet the Press on Sunday, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., backpedaled a bit when confronted with DeMint's comments. "Look, my goal is not to stop the president," McConnell told host David Gregory. "My goal is to get the right kind of health care for America. And the direction in which the president and the majority in the House and Senate want to take this is the wrong direction. What we hope to do is to have enough time here for people to truly understand what's going on."



By "enough time," what McConnell really meant, say many observers, was "enough time" to kill the bill. Any legislation as complicated as health care reform relies on the buy-in of many congressional committees and competing interests.


Democrats still have a ways to go in getting a final bill ready for passage in both the House and Senate. But last week's committee votes, combined with the seal of approval for the House bill from the powerful American Medical Association (which long opposed any sort of public option), as well as the progressive coalition known as Health Care for America Now, apparently put the fear of God into Republicans who, for the first time, saw a possibility that Obama could win this major prize.



Yet, because of the numbers of stakeholders and committees it takes to craft a final bill, the longer the process drags on, the more likely it is that those who signed on early will peel off before a bill gets to the floor, where the Republicans do not have the votes to stop passage.


McConnell's "enough time" act derives from the good-cop script on health care reform. But for those unconvinced by a facsimile of concern for "getting it right," there's the bad-cop script from which DeMint and Republican Party Chairman Michael Steele are reading. It's a script written during the election by leaders of the far right -- by people like Howard Phillips of the U.S. Constitution Party -- who hope to scare the American people into believing that Obama is un-American in the literal and figurative sense and that his health-care plan is just a nefarious scheme to remake America's mighty capitalist system into something foreign and evil.



It's a narrative designed for those old enough to remember the Cold War, i.e., people old enough to be eligible for an AARP membership card. (You're sent an offer on your 50th birthday.) And older people tend to worry far more about health care than do the young.


Reviving a theme from the presidential campaign, Steele referred to the president's plan as "socialist" and, according to the Associated Press, said "the president, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and key congressional committee chairmen are part of a 'cabal'."



In a sign of desperation, Steele, who is supposed to represent the mainstream establishment party, is singing from the same hymnal as such discredited conspiracy theorists as former U.N. Ambassador Alan Keyes (who was defeated by Obama in his 2004 bid for a U.S. Senate seat), who has launched a lawsuit (with the help of some compromised lawyers, according to the Washington Independent's David Weigel) challenging the validity of the president's birth certificate.

Adele M. Stan AlterNet's acting Washington bureau chief.

Stary Hickory
07-21-2009, 07:40 AM
This is the other way around...if the health care bill passes, the Democrat are going to get tossed out on their back sides...Seriously this country is approaching the boiling point.

Elwar
07-21-2009, 08:09 AM
This is the other way around...if the health care bill passes, the Democrat are going to get tossed out on their back sides...Seriously this country is approaching the boiling point.

Sadly enough, this would be true if the elections were this November.

Look at the Prescription Drug bill...passed a year before elections...it wasn't even brought up as a horrible atrocity by the time the elections rolled around.

Next year we'll be arguing on both sides about whether or not some Congressman's sex tape should get him kicked out of office or not and the Healthcare bill will be forgotten.

klamath
07-21-2009, 08:31 AM
This appears to be a propaganda piece for national health care. It trying to scare the democrats into voting party line to keep their seats. They know it will pass hands down if the democrats stick together and scaring them with their reelection will do just that. The one thing the American people are getting concerned about is the deficit and passing health care reform won't help that.

jmdrake
07-21-2009, 08:43 AM
However, if health care reform does not pass early in Obama's term, the Democrats will likely face midterm elections amid rising unemployment figures with a record of having passed legislation characterized as "bailouts" for megabanks and large corporations -- bills whose benefits to the economy have little impact on the person who has already lost a job. So GOP leaders are focused like a laser beam on stopping health-care reform in its tracks.

So the author of this article believes that people will forget about the increasingly bad economy just because of a little snake oil? Or will the people look at the snake oil as part of the problem?

The biggest hurdle the GOP has is itself. It's still allowing people who supported the Bush bailout to pass themselves off as "leaders". That makes opposition to the Obama economic plans seem partisan instead of principled. For instance consider the choice of John Cornyn to lead the GOP senate election committee. Cornyn voted for the bailout. Couldn't they find ONE GOP senator who voted against the bailout to lead this think? I'm not the only one that feels this way. Cornyn was booed earlier this year when he spoke at an Austin tea party.

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/politics/entries/2009/07/04/cornyn_booed_at_capitol_tea_pa.html

Anyway, whatever happens in 2010 the dems are toast in 2012. In 2010 people may still be in "give change a chance" mode, not realizing that Obama hasn't changed anything that most people disliked about Bush (bailouts, amnesty, violations of civil liberties, increased executive power, warrantless wiretapping etc.) In 2012 after the effects of the "changes" Obama is making become apparent the dems will be toast. Just wait for the effects of "cap and trade" to finally sink in with higher prices everywhere for everything. The questions then will be A) can we prevent the neocons from coming back and doing more of the same under a different party mantle and B) can we fix what's left of this country?

Original_Intent
07-21-2009, 08:46 AM
I believe the Dems are screwed in 2010 regardless of what happens on healthcare. If it passes, I think people will be pissed and stay pissed about it. Unlike when the Government Prescription drug plan was passed, we are in the midst of a financial crisis and I believe that anger will maintain itself into 2010.

If health reform does not get passed, there is going to be a portion of the entitlement class that will feel betrayed by the Democrats and either won't vote or will vote for the other guy. Most likely just won't vote.

I believe the average Joe is going to see that Congress will be the only brakes to put on the runaway train that is the Obama presidency. People will realize that things are getting worse, not better under the changemeister. I would be amazed to not see a large swing towards the GOP, and if there are true small government Republicans running they will do extremely well imho.

BudhaStalin
07-21-2009, 09:03 AM
I think both parties are screwed... In the current state they are in now, none of them represent the people, nor accurately adhere to the Constitution.

Hopefully Republicans will wake up to the horrors of spending that the Democrats are pulling through. But I doubt it... Once the Republicans are back in the House and Senate in majority I'm sure they will just revert back to their expanding big-government, "liberating" foreign countries from their "dictators" policy.

klamath
07-21-2009, 09:08 AM
I believe the Dems are screwed in 2010 regardless of what happens on healthcare. If it passes, I think people will be pissed and stay pissed about it. Unlike when the Government Prescription drug plan was passed, we are in the midst of a financial crisis and I believe that anger will maintain itself into 2010.

If health reform does not get passed, there is going to be a portion of the entitlement class that will feel betrayed by the Democrats and either won't vote or will vote for the other guy. Most likely just won't vote.

I believe the average Joe is going to see that Congress will be the only brakes to put on the runaway train that is the Obama presidency. People will realize that things are getting worse, not better under the changemeister. I would be amazed to not see a large swing towards the GOP, and if there are true small government Republicans running they will do extremely well imho.
I agree. I know I stood out the last election and didn't vote for the republicans but I am afraid I am going to vote a straight R ticket in 2010 if for no other reason to get the partisan gridlock to slow the Obama machine down.

Hell in California the democrats have outlawed the main means of small gold mining in the state. It will shut down all the small operators and close many small businesses that were starting up to support these small miners. The price of gold was making this a comeback industry yet the democrats, with the state going broke and 24 billion in debt, pushed this bill through the assembly and the senate.
The only thing holding it up is that Arnold is refusing to sign any bills until the budget is passed but I suspect he will because of his green record.

Stary Hickory
07-21-2009, 09:55 AM
This appears to be a propaganda piece for national health care. It trying to scare the democrats into voting party line to keep their seats. They know it will pass hands down if the democrats stick together and scaring them with their reelection will do just that. The one thing the American people are getting concerned about is the deficit and passing health care reform won't help that.

Exactly, it's just propaganda for this exact purpose. The author knows that being held acountable to the voting public is a major force against this crazy bill, and therefore the author is trying to spin it the other way.

The bill is unconstituional, unwanted and scaring people silly. And considering the fact thet medicare/medicaid and the other social programs are seriously unfundable, this healthcare bill is not even the right think to talk about. It merely is a bunch of Democrats trying to cram as much unconstituional legislation as they can down our throats before getting tossed out.

Obama is the one who will cost Democrats their seats in the House and Senate. And the whitehouse too.

krazy kaju
07-21-2009, 10:17 AM
If this doorway to nationalized health care is passed, the Democrats will be doomed in the long term. Higher deficits, higher taxes, higher inflation, and higher unemployment will be too much for the Dems to take... not to mention worse health care.

paulitics
07-21-2009, 10:27 AM
This appears to be a propaganda piece for national health care. It trying to scare the democrats into voting party line to keep their seats. They know it will pass hands down if the democrats stick together and scaring them with their reelection will do just that. The one thing the American people are getting concerned about is the deficit and passing health care reform won't help that.

That is my take on it.

acptulsa
07-21-2009, 10:36 AM
A rather obvious attempt to create a self-fulfilling prophesy.

Cowlesy
07-21-2009, 10:43 AM
Sometimes, it is just such a pain in the ass to make the other 80% care.

__27__
07-21-2009, 10:43 AM
Sometimes, it is just such a pain in the ass to make the other 80% care.

^

This.

Icymudpuppy
07-21-2009, 11:04 AM
Obama = Hoover

Hopefully we get someone better than FDR in the wake.

xd9fan
08-06-2009, 07:15 PM
This is the other way around...if the health care bill passes, the Democrat are going to get tossed out on their back sides...Seriously this country is approaching the boiling point.


agree article has it ass backwards.....
and yes america has needed a backyard fight for quite a while......

fedup100
08-06-2009, 07:47 PM
Republicans Will Be Toast in 2010 If the Dems Pass Health Reform, and They Know It

And so will most of the conservative voters over the age of 60.

raystone
08-06-2009, 08:01 PM
Obama = Hoover

Hopefully we get someone better than FDR in the wake.


You are so wrong. Hoover's philosophy was primarily free market.

swirling_vortex
08-06-2009, 08:26 PM
The other problem is that if UHC is passed, it'll become another third rail in politics. Regardless of the economic disaster it poses, the Democrats can still use it as a springboard against conservatives and libertarians. Remember the frenzy when Bush tried to privatize parts of Social Security? It'll be untouchable once it passes.

You are so wrong. Hoover's philosophy was primarily free market.
Your government sponsored revised history book misleads you. In fact, FDR's New Deal programs were based on Hoover's planning. Liberal historians like to believe that Hoover was the epitome of free market failure, but it's very far from the truth.

http://mises.org/rothbard/AGD/chapter11.asp

Young Paleocon
08-06-2009, 09:10 PM
Obama = Hoover

Hopefully we get someone better than FDR in the wake.

Sorry bro, Bush was Hoover and Obama is FDR. Bush will go down in the annals of history just like Hoover as that damn free marketeer president who got us into a depression even though he deployed bailouts and stimulus just like FDR and Obama.