Obama used 39 social security numbers!

[jdmyprez_deo_vindice]

So says Dr. Orly Taitz in a new interview. The plot thickens!

YouTube - Dr. Orly Taitz and Major Cook. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdBVN7azPs8)

[Zippyjuan]

Thirty nine social security numbers? That is a new one more than once every year since he turned 18- including while he was Senator and compaigning for President. I think this helps show that someone is full of BS- and that is Dr Taitz the media hound.

[TonySutton]

The more I hear this lady the more I love her. She has tenacity!

[Stary Hickory]

It's funny how taboo it is even to question this on some forums. Kind of makes me angry.

[armstrong]

one way or another this will get answered, cause I think it will not go away.. to many questions out there if their was only one or two it would I believe already been gone but its still picking up steam.

[Sandman33]

THIRTY SIX?!! Is that INCLUDING ME?......................thirtyseven.


THIRTY SEVEN!!!!!

[literatim]

If a lawyer is saying this, there has to be documented evidence of it.

[Zippyjuan]

A lawyer telling the truth? Their version of the truth perhaps. They don't know what the truth is. What matters is what they can find which will help their client win their case. Most polititians were lawyers. There is a lawyer on both sides of every case. They cannot all have the truth. At least half must be wrong or lying.

[Sandra]

No, the other lawyers that were helping her told her they were completely different people including some that were born after the campaign started and named after Obama. She refused their help and was downright rude. Not only did she do that, she names off people who has names SIMILAR to Obama's and published their SS#'s. Behold... from Taitz's blog:

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/?p=1828

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/?p=1601

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/?p=1291

[LibertyEagle]

No, the other lawyers that were helping her told her they were completely different people including some that were born after the campaign started and named after Obama. She refused their help and was downright rude. Not only did she do that, she names off people who has names SIMILAR to Obama's and published their SS#'s. Behold... from Taitz's blog:

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/?p=1828

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/?p=1601

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/?p=1291

So, are you saying that she's puffing smoke?

[speciallyblend]

No, the other lawyers that were helping her told her they were completely different people including some that were born after the campaign started and named after Obama. She refused their help and was downright rude. Not only did she do that, she names off people who has names SIMILAR to Obama's and published their SS#'s. Behold... from Taitz's blog:

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/?p=1828

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/?p=1601

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/?p=1291

this lawyer is a joke and this is only making republicans look like whackos. not that they need any help in doing so already!

where does the gop get these folks!

[Sandra]

I think someone put her up to lend credibility to the MIAC Report. She seems to have a special interest in Missouri, that's for sure. A lot of the people helping her are Missourians themselves. Paulers in MO need too keep an eye out for her antics.

[Zippyjuan]

I see in the first link from Sandra that in the blog she claims "hundreds of SSNs" for Obama. She is puffing something.

She highlighted sections of the dossier to show Mr. Chatfield that Barack Obama has hundreds of Social Security Numbers and properties associated with his name. One Social Security Number in particular was issued in Connecticut , and lists him as being 118 years old. (Attachment B)



While addressing the issue of hundreds of Social Security Numbers and properties being associated with Barack Obama’s name, Dr. Taitz drew attention to two addresses of interest: one located in Illinois and another in New Jersey .



The address located in Illinois , (removed by me) was sold to an Osama Barakat. The Osama Barakat listed (Attachment F) has connections to a foundation that is listed in the “Golden Chain” as sponsors of al Qaeda.

(Attachment C) shows an address in New Jersey for Kelly J. McCrum, wife of Craig M. Robinson. Craig Robinson is Michelle Obama’s brother, and is listed at 45 Willow Street in South Amboy, NJ. Not only can this address not be found by mapping the street, but this address had a credit lien on it by a company, Burlow Plumbing. Burlow Plumbing has a commercial affiliate named Magic Plumbing.



(Attachment D) shows that Magic Plumbing had worked on the sprinkler system at the World Trade Center just days before 9/11. One of the men that performed this work lived in Brooklyn . He left Brooklyn on 9/11 and went to Tennessee . A woman that had a court date involving identity theft with the motor vehicle department in Tennessee met a mysterious death. Mr. Chatfield had no comment or thought in reference to this material being shown to him.



Grasping at straws. Even trying to tie him to al Queda and 9/11.

I wonder how many numbers and properties she could find on a more common name like Ron Paul?

[torchbearer]

I don't see how it hurts obama to put his long form birth certificate on the record.
how could that hurt him?

[Sandra]

Brent, Taitz's actions don't have anything to do with him showing his BC. She has already declared that it will be faked if he shows it and that she has all this super secret info on him. Read the blog and you'll see.

[torchbearer]

Brent, Taitz's actions don't have anything to do with him showing his BC. She has already declared that it will be faked if he shows it and that she has all this super secret info on him. Read the blog and you'll see.

My statement has nothing to do with Taitz, and everything to do with Obama.
How does it hurt him to put it on record?

[lynnf]

My statement has nothing to do with Taitz, and everything to do with Obama.
How does it hurt him to put it on record?


well, of course, if he doesn't have one, then he can't put it on record, and that hurts him

and if he produces a fake one, no matter how good it is, it will have flaws.

lynn

[specsaregood]

My statement has nothing to do with Taitz, and everything to do with Obama.
How does it hurt him to put it on record?

Maybe it contains private information he does not want to share but has no direct effect on his ability to perform his duties. There are other possibilities than the not born in hawaii scenario; but alas it does look worse everyday that goes by. Of course maybe that is his whole reason for doing so.....

[Sandra]

The Lisa Ostello that was her assistant on that document is now suing Taitz along with Phil Berg, Lisa Liberi (Berg's assistant), and MommaE. Taitz had made the same claim about Liberi using a bunch of SS#'s as well.

Taitz had tried like hell to get competition out of the way.

[Zippyjuan]

He produced one which was verified by Hawaii officials. Some people say it is not good enough. Those same people will probably claim that any further documents produced are fakes too so why try to bring them out? He gains nothing at this point by producing it other than to draw more attention to those who think it is fake. He has bigger issues to deal with these days. Then you have to go though another round of paying lawyers to answer any new questions. His position is not improved by providing any more documents on the issue so why bother?

According to a post on a YouTube video, Dr Taitz may be less qualified than Obama is. I have not verified any of the information. She does have DDS degree. The link is for the comments, not the video.
YouTube - Orly Taitz, DDS, Esq. asks Chief Justice John Roberts a "birther" question (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fAEFbgkpWg)

Dr. Taitz may be the only ineligible player in her little farce.

Although Taitz is a member of the California Bar, shes not listed as a member of the American Bar Association (check for yourself). Nor is her law school (William Howard Taft University) accredited by the ABA. Because Taft is a distance-learning school only, Taitzs degree entitles her, at most, to practice in California, as her school candidly admits."

Another post on the same video:

johnnyk67 (4 days ago) Show Hide +1 Marked as spam
Reply | Spam Why don't these birthers use common sense? In the 2+ years Obama was running for President, Bush & Cheney had control of the CIA, FBI, and over a dozen other intelligence agencies. If he wasn't born in the US, they had plenty of time and resources to find out for their party. It's common sense! There is no there there. If there was, he wouldn't be president! Even the ultra-conservative website WorldNetDaily has confirmed the authenticity of Obama's birth certificate! Turn off right-wing radio!

A bit more info on her legal background:
http://acandidworld.net/2009/03/13/turnabout-is-obama-denialist-orly-taitz-really-a-lawyer-will-she-be-for-long/

[torchbearer]

Maybe it contains private information he does not want to share but has no direct effect on his ability to perform his duties. There are other possibilities than the not born in hawaii scenario; but alas it does look worse everyday that goes by. Of course maybe that is his whole reason for doing so.....

what private information would keep him from performing his duties?
they supposedly showed the short form already.
the only thing missing is the hospital and doctors signature. the two things you need to have to prove you were born somewhere.

[specsaregood]

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[JeNNiF00F00]

this lawyer is a joke and this is only making republicans look like whackos. not that they need any help in doing so already!

where does the gop get these folks!

Who says this is the republicans? Jumping to conclusions?

[Sandra]

Who says this is the republicans? Jumping to conclusions?

I'm suspicious too. It was two Hillary supporters pushing Taitz to do it. Ed Hale and Linda Starr.

[Zippyjuan]

Uhm, I didn't say it would, I said "but has no direct effect"


Yeah, but that short form wasn't really official was it? I don't recall it having the stamp on it. But to answer your question, some people have proposed that it lists a different name for the father. My opinion on it is: if he really was born in HI and has no reason not to release the certificate, this will be used eventually to shame all the republicans that have called for its release. Let the anticipation and looneys run around, get all riled up, wait for the republican establishment and media to finally jump on board.......then release it and make them all look like racist stupid nuts. Then pour a scotch and smoke a blunt on the WH back porch. That's what I would do.....

Edit: in fact, wait till the health care legislation or cap and trade is ready for final votes, then do it. slam dunk.

There were additional photos of it shown which included the stamps and seal. http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Republicans had all that National Security apratus they put in place after 9/11 with the Patriot Act. If they had info on Barak not being a citizen, why wouldn't they bring it out and help John McCain win?

[speciallyblend]

Who says this is the republicans? Jumping to conclusions?

you tell me. yes i would assume she is republican if not most voters will see republicans as whackos with her saying bs like she is!

yes i assume she is republican because most republicans seem to be whackos. the fact she is doing this is gonna make most assume she is a republican!

hey i am enjoying the republican party sinking itself. i am sure not going to try to save them from drowning themselves ,especially when they are not listening!

it sure as hell is not a democrat! i am assuming she is republican, be sure to let me know! i do not see her being a dem but i could be wrong.

republicans are the only one pushing the obama crap! there might be a few lp/tp/cp but i prefer folks to think they are republicans! the republican party deserves exactly what they get!

let me know if she is republican. i bet she is! if not doesn't matter. the GOP deserves the gutter!

birthers are just as bad as truthers. the gop is pathetic really and i do not want to be standing near these right wing nut jobs or associated with them. they are embarrassing!

after the last 2 yrs the word republican has no meaning anymore in my eyes! i will keep trying to change the gop! but i will not want this woman or others thinking i am one of these pathetic republican folks!

I am proud to be a ron paul republican but we have along way to go to repair this failed brandname republican! and chasing obama on a wild goose chase is pretty sad for republicans and embarrassing!

personally i think the coloradogop will be a 3rd party by 2012;) i will make sure my vote keeps electing ron paul supporters no matter the party and if the gop wakes up, they just might earn my vote!

we have 2 ron paul dems running now since the cogop wants to keep losing;) hey if the cogop wants to make themselves a 3rd party . then i will be happy to help them become alienated! they are doing it themselves without my help!

the way the gop is going the only way the gop will get my vote or money in 2012 is a RON PAUL 2012 run! upto the gop if they want my vote .i do not think they want republicans, so i will encourage illegal aliens to join the gop;)

so far the only ron paul supporters i can vote for are ron paul dems ,since the cogop will not support ron paul republicans! i will enjoy campaigning for ron paul dems who use to be republicans! the gop is the problem really! they deserve everything they get after their corruption in their own primaries!

[Sandra]

There were additional photos of it shown which included the stamps and seal. http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Republicans had all that National Security apratus they put in place after 9/11 with the Patriot Act. If they had info on Barak not being a citizen, why wouldn't they bring it out and help John McCain win?

Exactly!!! But either way, it's still Bush III.

[Objectivist]

He produced one which was verified by Hawaii officials. Some people say it is not good enough. Those same people will probably claim that any further documents produced are fakes too so why try to bring them out? He gains nothing at this point by producing it other than to draw more attention to those who think it is fake. He has bigger issues to deal with these days. Then you have to go though another round of paying lawyers to answer any new questions. His position is not improved by providing any more documents on the issue so why bother?

According to a post on a YouTube video, Dr Taitz may be less qualified than Obama is. I have not verified any of the information. She does have DDS degree. The link is for the comments, not the video.
YouTube - Orly Taitz, DDS, Esq. asks Chief Justice John Roberts a "birther" question (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fAEFbgkpWg)


Another post on the same video:


A bit more info on her legal background:
http://acandidworld.net/2009/03/13/turnabout-is-obama-denialist-orly-taitz-really-a-lawyer-will-she-be-for-long/

The point you make on Hawaii is not factual, they produced a verification certificate, not an Original Birth Certificate, if they made a verification that there is an Original then they should have no problem presenting the Original.

Why again would you spend more than a million dollars to hide your BC?

[Zippyjuan]

Why would you spend milliions of dollars claiming it was a fake without looking for another birth certificate? Surely if you found another one somewhere else you might have a stronger case.

[Sandra]

Thanks for the video. More proof that Taitz was sabotaging her own efforts. Ex parte communications with the judge she wanted to "rule on the evidence". This was NOT a mistake on her part, she had stated on posts previously that she couldn't speak with a judge about a case outside of court that was to slated to rule that case.

[Objectivist]

Why would you spend milliions of dollars claiming it was a fake without looking for another birth certificate? Surely if you found another one somewhere else you might have a stronger case.

Say what?

The document from Hawaii isn't a ORIGINAL BC, it's a document verifying the existence of an ORIGINAL BC. You seem to be missing that fact.

It's not for me to prove a negative.

[sratiug]

You guys are nuts that think this is some non-issue. McCain couldn't say shit cause he wasn't born here for sure. Nobody needed to investigate this till Obama had the nomination, and they didn't decide to pick him over Hillary until they had cheated like hell to get McCain in. Hillary dropped the ball but she would've been going against the NWO by bringing up his nationality, them being against nations and all.

[Objectivist]

You guys are nuts that think this is some non-issue. McCain couldn't say shit cause he wasn't born here for sure. Nobody needed to investigate this till Obama had the nomination, and they didn't decide to pick him over Hillary until they had cheated like hell to get McCain in. Hillary dropped the ball but she would've been going against the NWO by bringing up his nationality, them being against nations and all.

Yeah and McCain took his case to the Courts before the election and the ruling was in his favor. He was born on a military installation under the flag of the United States of America. The same rights would apply to a sailor giving birth on a US Flagged Ship.

[Zippyjuan]

The Orange County Weekly did a long piece on Orly Taiz.
http://www.ocweekly.com/2009-06-18/news/orly-taitz/1

In the past eight months, Taitz’s face has become one of the most recognizable of what its adherents prefer to call the “eligibility” movement, and her actions have been some of the most controversial. Her end goal is simple—to remove Obama from office—but her methods have sometimes put her at odds with other anti-Obama activists. And that’s not to mention the legion of Obama supporters who have assembled evidence claiming that Taitz is, at best, a liar and, at worst, treasonous.


Ask about Taitz’s motivations, and she’ll tell you about her background. She immigrated to the United States from Israel in 1987; before Israel, she lived in what was then the Soviet Socialist Republic of Moldavia. She says it’s her upbringing that initially caused her to be suspicious of Obama. “I was just like any other mom; I didn’t do anything different from any other mother,” she says, her accent turning mother into muddah. “And it’s just during this last election, I became really concerned because I came from a communist country. I saw the things that Obama is saying that really did not make sense and that concerned me. One, of course, that had to do with the all-civilian army. And I saw footage of children dressed in uniforms, saluting Obama and doing drills. That reminded me of young communists.”

(Unsure what she’s referring to? Google “Obama civilian army” and “Obama children drills.” That’ll bring up the appropriate World Net Daily articles and FOX News clips.)

The mistrust turned into something stronger when Taitz received an e-mail claiming there was evidence that Obama wasn’t born in America. “At first, I thought it was a hoax,” she says. “I didn’t believe it.” But then, in October, she filled out the “contact” form on the California Secretary of State website, asking if the secretary verifies the eligibility of presidential candidates. The response was no. “I was shocked,” Taitz says.

She fired off a round of letters to the editors of local newspapers, arguing that Obama didn’t meet the constitutional requirements to be president. The only one to publish her words was the Westminster Herald. But that was enough. Someone read the letter in the newspaper and called Taitz at her dental office to invite her to speak at an upcoming meeting of the California Coalition for Immigration Reform in Garden Grove, the far-right anti-immigrant group whose projects include a boycott of Mexico. There, she told the story of her own legal immigration to the United States, and afterward, she was approached by Buena Park radio pastor Wiley Drake (recently in the news because he publicly admitted to praying for Obama’s death). After chatting a little about immigration, the conversation turned to Obama’s birth certificate. Drake invited Taitz onto his radio show. On the air, the two discussed what they thought of the Usurper, and then Drake asked, “Well, what can we do?”

Taitz’s answer: “We can sue.”



The problem is most of the above facts aren’t true.

For starters, the Pakistan “travel ban” is a complete fabrication based on zero evidence and completely contradicted by State Department records and a 1981 New York Times article. The full transcript from Obama’s grandmother shows that she never said he was born in Kenya—in fact, she repeatedly said he was born in Hawaii. The law allowing foreign-born children to obtain Hawaiian COLBs didn’t exist until 20 years after Obama was born, while Obama’s published COLB says his birth information was recorded four days after his birth in 1961. And those “forensic experts” who say Obama’s document is phony? There have only been three of them: Two haven’t published their real names or any verifiable credentials (one went by the moniker “TechDude”), and the other merely said that she can’t make a determination of a document’s authenticity based solely on a JPEG.

Still, the question remains: Where’s the birth certificate? In fact, there’s an electronic billboard in Buena Park, off Interstate 5 near Beach Boulevard, asking that very question. It’s owned by World Net Daily; one of its reporters, Les Kinsolving, brought the issue up at a White House press briefing on May 27. “It’s on the Internet,” Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs chuckled. “I certainly hope by the fourth year of our administration that we’ll have dealt with this burgeoning birth controversy.”

Aside from World Net Daily, more traditional conservative media sources—not to mention politicians—have condemned the birth-certificate question as a waste of time. In January, talk-show host Michael Medved classified Taitz and the other eligibility attorneys as “crazy, nutburger, demagogue, money-hungry, exploitive, irresponsible, filthy conservative imposters.” Taitz sent him a letter demanding a retraction.



“It’s just fascinating,” says Bob Haggard, a frequent poster on Politijab’s Orly Taitz forum. “She runs around the country doing things that amount to absolutely nothing. She tells her followers that she ‘files’ all sorts of documents, but she never files anything. She drops stuff off.”

[Zippyjuan]

Say what?

The document from Hawaii isn't a ORIGINAL BC, it's a document verifying the existence of an ORIGINAL BC. You seem to be missing that fact.

It's not for me to prove a negative.

Ah- so the document verifies the existance of an original. So they have the original so what is the problem? Hawiian officials have also stated that they have the original.
Proving the existance of an alternative birth certificate is not proving a negative. It is proving a positive. You want somebody to prove he was born in Hawaii. I want you to do the same thing. Prove he was born somewhere else. Same question. Same burdens of proof. But only Obama has provided any proof at all. Nobody has offered any proof whatsoever that he was born someplace else. Why not?

[angelatc]

Yeah and McCain took his case to the Courts before the election and the ruling was in his favor. He was born on a military installation under the flag of the United States of America. The same rights would apply to a sailor giving birth on a US Flagged Ship.

I agree that McCain is a natural born citizen, but he didn't take the issue to court. Congress passed a resolution. Not the same.

[angelatc]

Ah- so the document verifies the existance of an original. So they have the original so what is the problem? Hawiian officials have also stated that they have the original.

Actually, no they haven't. The Democrats said they said that.

[Zippyjuan]

Actually they (Hawaiian officials- not Democrats) did.
http://www.kitv.com/politics/17860890/detail.html

Obama's Birth Certificate Verified By State
Health Department Receives Multiple Requests For Copies
POSTED: 12:12 pm HST October 31, 2008
UPDATED: 1:26 pm HST November 1, 2008

HONOLULU -- The state's Department of Health director on Friday released a statement verifying the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama birth certificate.
The state has received multiple requests for a copy of Obama's birth certificate. State law does not allow officials to release the birth certificate of a person to someone outside of the family.

There were rumors that Obama was born in Kenya, where his father is from. The Constitution requires that the president be a natural born citizen of the U.S.

While many sites and news organizations have released copies provided by the Obama campaign, the rumors have persisted.

"There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record," DOH Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said.

Fukino said she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.
"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures," Fukino said.

[Catatonic]

Ah- so the document verifies the existance of an original. So they have the original so what is the problem? Hawiian officials have also stated that they have the original.
Proving the existance of an alternative birth certificate is not proving a negative. It is proving a positive. You want somebody to prove he was born in Hawaii. I want you to do the same thing. Prove he was born somewhere else. Same question. Same burdens of proof. But only Obama has provided any proof at all. Nobody has offered any proof whatsoever that he was born someplace else. Why not?

A certification of live birth verifies nothing. This is the same form Hawaii gives to immigrants that immigrate to Hawaii. It means nothing and proves nothing. If you moved to Hawaii from China and gave the state a Chinese birth certificate, they would give you a certification of live birth. Because they certified your birth record. Which is exactly what those officials said they verified for Obama, a 'birth record'.

Thats the whole problem. Obama might as well have written on a piece of construction paper in crayon "I'm a natural born citizen guise, I promise". It would prove as much as that certification proves as far as determining eligibility to be president.

Hence the question, where's the birth certificate? And the follow up question, why spend millions of dollars having the actual birth certificate sealed?

[Zippyjuan]

The foreign born birth certificate issue only was enacted in 1983- over 20 years AFTER Obama was born. There are people for whom no proof will be good enough.
The law in question here: http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.htm

[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.

(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]



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[Catatonic]

The imigrant birth certificate issue only was enacted in 1983- over 20 years AFTER Obama was born. There are people for whom no proof will be good enough.

Obamas certification is dated 2007. Thats after 1983.

[tangent4ronpaul]

> Fukino said she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.
"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures," Fukino said.

And what was clearly NOT said was that he was born in this country!

-t

[Catatonic]

The road block I'm running into is that the Hawaii dept. of health website says they will not give out copies of the certificate of live birth...if you request a copy of your birth certificate they'll only give you a certification of live birth.

So how are you supposed to prove you're a citizen if you're from Hawaii?

[Zippyjuan]

His birth certificate was not issued in 2007. Just the copy was. The 1983 law did not apply when his certificate was issued in 1961.



And what was clearly NOT said was theat he was born in this country!

Why would Hawaii have a Kenyan birth certificate on file for anybody? Or Indonesian or wherever you people think he was born. And yet again, why can nobody find even a questionable birth certificate from somewhere else?

Then you have birth announcements in both of the local papers just a few days afterward the birth. Did a young mother have the smarts to plant those thinking he could one day become President or something and might need to fake where he was from? She was one smart girl from Iowa if she did. What possibly could motivate her to do that?

[Zippyjuan]

The road block I'm running into is that the Hawaii dept. of health website says they will not give out copies of the certificate of live birth...if you request a copy of your birth certificate they'll only give you a certification of live birth.

So how are you supposed to prove you're a citizen if you're from Hawaii?
Are you Hawaiian and trying to get a copy of your own certificate?
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0018.htm

Proceedure: http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/vital_records.html

[tangent4ronpaul]

Loose credential rules + corrupt officials = you can be Elvis Presly w/ official ID.

-t

[Catatonic]

His birth certificate was not issued in 2007. Just the copy was. The 1983 law did not apply when his certificate was issued in 1961.

Duh. The state of Hawaii gives a certification of live birth to anyone that has immigrated to Hawaii. So if Obama had a Chinese birth certificate on record, he gets the exact document he provided when he requests a copy of his birth certificate.


Why would Hawaii have a Kenyan birth certificate on file for anybody? Or Indonesian or wherever you people think he was born.

Because they immigrated there. When you immigrate, you have to bring your birth certificate with you. The state takes it and records it, and thats your birth record. They don't create a new birth certificate for you. Your birth certificate will always be from whatever country you were born in.


And yet again, why can nobody find even a questionable birth certificate from somewhere else?

Because nobody knows where he was born. Even if you narrow it down to one country, how are you going to find it? And how are you going to get them to release it to you?


Then you have birth announcements in both of the local papers just a few days afterward the birth. Did a young mother have the smarts to plant those thinking he could one day become President or something and might need to fake where he was from? She was one smart girl from Iowa if she did. What possibly could motivate her to do that?

He had family already in Hawaii. Thats a common way to let family know of a birth.

Why do YOU think he's spent so much of his own money having this documentation sealed?

[Sandra]

Duh. The state of Hawaii gives a certification of live birth to anyone that has immigrated to Hawaii. So if Obama had a Chinese birth certificate on record, he gets the exact document he provided when he requests a copy of his birth certificate.



Because they immigrated there. When you immigrate, you have to bring your birth certificate with you. The state takes it and records it, and thats your birth record. They don't create a new birth certificate for you. Your birth certificate will always be from whatever country you were born in.



Because nobody knows where he was born. Even if you narrow it down to one country, how are you going to find it? And how are you going to get them to release it to you?



He had family already in Hawaii. Thats a common way to let family know of a birth.

Why do YOU think he's spent so much of his own money having this documentation sealed?

Where did you hear this? In some blog? Link?

[Zippyjuan]

Duh. The state of Hawaii gives a certification of live birth to anyone that has immigrated to Hawaii. So if Obama had a Chinese birth certificate on record, he gets the exact document he provided when he requests a copy of his birth certificate
Only if he was born after 1983.
And since the copy they issued does not say he was born in China or Kenya then he must not have been born there. It says Honolulu so your arguement does not hold.

[Objectivist]

Ah- so the document verifies the existance of an original. So they have the original so what is the problem? Hawiian officials have also stated that they have the original.
Proving the existance of an alternative birth certificate is not proving a negative. It is proving a positive. You want somebody to prove he was born in Hawaii. I want you to do the same thing. Prove he was born somewhere else. Same question. Same burdens of proof. But only Obama has provided any proof at all. Nobody has offered any proof whatsoever that he was born someplace else. Why not?

As someone who has been down this road personally I can say that it should be no problem to gain a copy of the original document if it exists, Obama would be the person to make that request. I can't ask for yours and you can't ask for mine. Then it wouldn't be something to evade or waste time on unless he's not who he claims.

[Sandra]

As someone who has been down this road personally I can say that it should be no problem to gain a copy of the original document if it exists, Obama would be the person to make that request. I can't ask for yours and you can't ask for mine. Then it wouldn't be something to evade or waste time on unless he's not who he claims.

Your "original documentation" was transferred to microfiche about 3 years after your birth . Original papers were destroyed.

[speciallyblend]

Your "original documentation" was transferred to microfiche about 3 years after your birth . Original papers were destroyed.

bottom line is the dems are baiting and switching the republicans. in the end i havea feeling the republicans will slip further down the hole they are digging for themselves. the dems must be laughing at republican leaders and republicans!

this is a classic bait and switch and the republicans have fallen for it! i can only laugh at the mess the republican party puts themselves in!