nbruno322
07-19-2009, 02:01 PM
Even if you buy into the whole man made global warming thing, the cap and trade bill will not work without a "global system" that inlcudes countries such as Brazil, Russia, India, and China. Here is an article showing India (China has already resisted efforts) resisting efforts to force it to comply through "carbon tariffs" on its exports.
It is a rather sharp rebuke to the administration, who recently dispatched the vile Hilary Clinton to India, fresh off of her speech at the CFR which belligerently called for "global governance" for the "global climate problem". See if you can watch the entire speech at the CFR without vomiting.
http://www.infowars.com/hillary-clinton-admits-that-the-cfr-runs-the-government
So it seems the game here is to sucker emerging countries into the whole "green" agenda so that they will naturally turn to the US, the leading producer of green/clean technology since we have no other productive/manufacturing capacity. Else they face punitive actions for not being "green" enough, such as carbon tariffs.
Wait, is green/clean tech really a productive capacity since it is based on a dubious premise s/? It seems like it is a way to get countries like India to invest in products mainly produced by GE and other conglomerates (dont forget Goldman Sachs, Obama's largest donor, makes a commission off of every trade of carbon credits) whose close ties to the govt can correctly be labeled fascist, all the while establishing an important stepping stone to global governance. Kudos to India for rejecting outright this globalist nonsense and standing up for its own sovereignty, wouldn't it be nice if the US could do the same?!
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601091&sid=a7WGSJvqXSyU
July 19 (Bloomberg) -- India will resist pressure from the Obama administration to accept legally binding caps on its carbon emissions, the South Asian nation’s environment minister told visiting Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.
“There is simply no case for the pressure that we, who have been among the lowest emissions per capita, face to actually reduce emissions,” Jairam Ramesh said at a meeting today with Clinton in Gurgaon near New Delhi, according to a statement he issued to reporters. “And as if this pressure was not enough, we also face the threat of carbon tariffs on our exports to countries such as yours.”
Clinton is on a state visit to India meant to showcase trade and security ties and seek common ground on climate change and arms control. India has said it will reject any new treaty to limit global warming that makes it reduce emissions because that will undermine the country’s energy consumption, transportation and food security.
The climate-change bill that passed the U.S. House on June 26 calls for carbon-based tariffs if countries like China and India don’t adopt their own greenhouse gas controls by 2020. The U.S. said its push for higher environmental standards is not aimed at limiting the economic progress of nations, including India.
“No one wants to in any way stall or undermine the economic growth that is necessary to lift millions of more people out of poverty,” Clinton said at a joint news conference with Ramesh in Gurgaon. “But we also believe that there is a way to eradicate poverty and develop sustainably that will lower significantly the carbon footprint of the energy that is produced and consumed to fuel that growth.”
Action Plan
India has a comprehensive national action plan on climate change, Ramesh said and suggested collaborating with the U.S. on research and development of projects; environment planning, regulation and management, and building institutional capacity for continuing research.
In December, negotiators from more than 180 nations will meet in Copenhagen to broker a new treaty to fight global warming by limiting the release of gases in the air from burning fossil fuels and clearing forests.
“Both of us reiterated our commitment to arriving at an agreement at Copenhagen that takes note of the imperative of doing something quickly but also takes note of the special concerns of countries like India for continuing with their path of economic growth with the objective of poverty eradication,” Ramesh told reporters. “I think this has been a good beginning.”
Energy Use
“Legally binding” emissions targets won’t be acceptable for India, Ramesh said. “It’s going to be impossible to sell in our democratic system.”
Clinton said she is confident that the U.S. and India can devise a plan that changes the way energy is produced, consumed and conserved, helping to create additional investments and jobs. The two countries must also expand the use of renewable energy in India, especially for rural electrification.
“There is no question that developed countries like mine must lead on this issue and for our part, under President Obama, we are not only acknowledging our contributions to greenhouse gas emissions and climate change, we are taking steps to reverse its ill effects,” Clinton said. “It is essential for major developing countries like India to also lead because over 80 percent of the growth in future emissions will be from developing countries.
It is a rather sharp rebuke to the administration, who recently dispatched the vile Hilary Clinton to India, fresh off of her speech at the CFR which belligerently called for "global governance" for the "global climate problem". See if you can watch the entire speech at the CFR without vomiting.
http://www.infowars.com/hillary-clinton-admits-that-the-cfr-runs-the-government
So it seems the game here is to sucker emerging countries into the whole "green" agenda so that they will naturally turn to the US, the leading producer of green/clean technology since we have no other productive/manufacturing capacity. Else they face punitive actions for not being "green" enough, such as carbon tariffs.
Wait, is green/clean tech really a productive capacity since it is based on a dubious premise s/? It seems like it is a way to get countries like India to invest in products mainly produced by GE and other conglomerates (dont forget Goldman Sachs, Obama's largest donor, makes a commission off of every trade of carbon credits) whose close ties to the govt can correctly be labeled fascist, all the while establishing an important stepping stone to global governance. Kudos to India for rejecting outright this globalist nonsense and standing up for its own sovereignty, wouldn't it be nice if the US could do the same?!
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601091&sid=a7WGSJvqXSyU
July 19 (Bloomberg) -- India will resist pressure from the Obama administration to accept legally binding caps on its carbon emissions, the South Asian nation’s environment minister told visiting Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.
“There is simply no case for the pressure that we, who have been among the lowest emissions per capita, face to actually reduce emissions,” Jairam Ramesh said at a meeting today with Clinton in Gurgaon near New Delhi, according to a statement he issued to reporters. “And as if this pressure was not enough, we also face the threat of carbon tariffs on our exports to countries such as yours.”
Clinton is on a state visit to India meant to showcase trade and security ties and seek common ground on climate change and arms control. India has said it will reject any new treaty to limit global warming that makes it reduce emissions because that will undermine the country’s energy consumption, transportation and food security.
The climate-change bill that passed the U.S. House on June 26 calls for carbon-based tariffs if countries like China and India don’t adopt their own greenhouse gas controls by 2020. The U.S. said its push for higher environmental standards is not aimed at limiting the economic progress of nations, including India.
“No one wants to in any way stall or undermine the economic growth that is necessary to lift millions of more people out of poverty,” Clinton said at a joint news conference with Ramesh in Gurgaon. “But we also believe that there is a way to eradicate poverty and develop sustainably that will lower significantly the carbon footprint of the energy that is produced and consumed to fuel that growth.”
Action Plan
India has a comprehensive national action plan on climate change, Ramesh said and suggested collaborating with the U.S. on research and development of projects; environment planning, regulation and management, and building institutional capacity for continuing research.
In December, negotiators from more than 180 nations will meet in Copenhagen to broker a new treaty to fight global warming by limiting the release of gases in the air from burning fossil fuels and clearing forests.
“Both of us reiterated our commitment to arriving at an agreement at Copenhagen that takes note of the imperative of doing something quickly but also takes note of the special concerns of countries like India for continuing with their path of economic growth with the objective of poverty eradication,” Ramesh told reporters. “I think this has been a good beginning.”
Energy Use
“Legally binding” emissions targets won’t be acceptable for India, Ramesh said. “It’s going to be impossible to sell in our democratic system.”
Clinton said she is confident that the U.S. and India can devise a plan that changes the way energy is produced, consumed and conserved, helping to create additional investments and jobs. The two countries must also expand the use of renewable energy in India, especially for rural electrification.
“There is no question that developed countries like mine must lead on this issue and for our part, under President Obama, we are not only acknowledging our contributions to greenhouse gas emissions and climate change, we are taking steps to reverse its ill effects,” Clinton said. “It is essential for major developing countries like India to also lead because over 80 percent of the growth in future emissions will be from developing countries.