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disorderlyvision

07-19-2009, 10:18 AM

http://washingtonindependent.com/51591/lou-dobbs-hey-why-wont-obama-produce-his-birth-certificate

CNN host Lou Dobbs interviewed birther attorney Orly Taitz and perennial presidential candidate Alan Keyes on the July 15 episode of his radio show, asking his two discredited guests some shockingly credulous questions about the citizenship of President Obama. Dobbs explained to Taitz and Keyes that his researchers had looked for proof of the president’s citizenship and been stumped.

We’ve been working kind of hard to figure out what’s going on amongst the places. Going to the Federal Election Commission, that does nothing to certify or validate a candidate’s legitimacy either as a citizen, as a person in good standing, of a certain age, qualification for the Congress or the Senate, or president of the United States. I think a lot of people would be surprised at that. They leave it up to the states. The states — it turns out, at least the state of Illinois, doesn’t require proof of citizenship, proof of age, proof of residency. I mean, it’s extraordinary the degree to which our political system relies on the so-called honor system.

Of course, Dobbs could clear this up with a phone call to Janice Okubo of the Hawaii Department of Health, who told me yesterday that the short-form birth certificate released to the press one year ago verifies what the state has in its records; that the president was born in Honolulu in 1961.

Dobbs wasn’t entirely won over by Keyes and Taitz, but he repeatedly asked leading questions about what’s missing from the the short-form certificate of live birth. “It doesn’t have a doctor’s name on it,” said Dobbs. “It has nothing on it.” Later, he referred again to the long-form version of Obama’s birth certificate “which is purportedly on file somewhere in Hawaii, but not made available to the press or anyone else. You produce the signature, the doctor, the birth date, so forth, the witnesses, which normally accompany any birth certificate, and produce it from the hospital record, and we’re done.”

Here’s the audio: [click link]

Matt Collins

07-19-2009, 11:19 AM

Hmmm..... mainstream press.... that's a start

pacelli

07-19-2009, 11:21 AM

Mainstream press starts to notice things once it is too late to make a difference.

torchbearer

07-19-2009, 03:34 PM

good.

sarahgop

07-19-2009, 04:14 PM

obama can be impeached for this.

literatim

07-19-2009, 04:17 PM

obama can be impeached for this.

If he isn't qualified to be president then his presidential status becomes null and void, no impeachment needed.

Standing Like A Rock

07-19-2009, 06:20 PM

If he isn't qualified to be president then his presidential status becomes null and void, no impeachment needed.

But under whose authority is he removed from office? The Supreme Court?

Objectivist

07-19-2009, 06:36 PM

Dupe thread.

Anti Federalist

07-19-2009, 07:03 PM

"Birther"?

Is that what they're calling them?

Kylie

07-19-2009, 07:09 PM

But under whose authority is he removed from office? The Supreme Court?

Mine.

And yours. And every other citizen of this country. We are THE PEOPLE.

RM918

07-19-2009, 07:13 PM

The federal government cares nothing about the constitution. Even if he /weren't/ a citizen, and it could be proven, do you /really/ think they'd throw him out? There'd be some malarky about how it was a 'mandate of the people' or some horseshit and dissenters would, as usual, be called loons and dismissed.

Dr.3D

07-19-2009, 07:13 PM

"Birther"?

Is that what they're calling them?

Yeah, they are trying to make it sound like 'truther' so people will think they are nuts.

Anti Federalist

07-19-2009, 07:15 PM

It's always been my understanding that the birth certificate wasn't the real question.

It was the fact that his mother was not a resident of the US, after being out of the country for an extended period of time, for a long enough period to confer "natural born" status on her children.

FrankRep

07-19-2009, 07:17 PM

Anti Federalist

07-19-2009, 07:41 PM

Well Gosh, what are you hiding Obama?

Obama Signs Executive Order Barring Release Of His Birth Certificate

Freedom Medium, Infowars.com
July 18, 2009

http://www.infowars.com/obama-signs-executive-order-barring-release-of-his-birth-certificate/

http://freedomedium.com/2009/07/obama-signs-executive-order-barring-release-of-his-birth-certificate/

Must be nice to sign an order sealing release of documents that might get you fired.

disorderlyvision

07-19-2009, 08:00 PM

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http://freedomedium.com/2009/07/obama-signs-executive-order-barring-release-of-his-birth-certificate/

"On January 21st, 2009, his very first day in office, Barack Obama implemented and signed into law Executive Order 13489.

For those of you who can’t take the time to read it. here is the section that applies:

“Sec.2

Notice Of Intent To Disclose Presidential Records

When the Archivist provides notice to the incumbent and former Presidents of his intent to disclose Presidential records pursuant to section 1270.46 of the NARA regulations, the Archivist, using any guidelines providied by the incumbent and former Presidents, shall identify any specific materials, the disclosure of which he believes may raise a substantial question of executive privilege.”

Now for all of you who commented on our previous articles that we were no more that right-wing nut jobs, that this thing about Obama’s birth certificate was a non-issue, and those of you who tried to shift the focus of the stories, doesn’t this strike you as just a little odd?

That the first order of business Obama took care of on day one of his Presidency was to sign off on an Executive Order that states that only the records he chooses to be made public will be released?"

Rael

07-19-2009, 08:03 PM

Well Gosh, what are you hiding Obama?

Obama Signs Executive Order Barring Release Of His Birth Certificate

Freedom Medium, Infowars.com
July 18, 2009

http://www.infowars.com/obama-signs-executive-order-barring-release-of-his-birth-certificate/

http://freedomedium.com/2009/07/obama-signs-executive-order-barring-release-of-his-birth-certificate/

The executive order did not ban the release of his birth certificate from what I read. It said the archivist will advise the president of any documents where executive privilege might apply.

FrankRep

07-19-2009, 08:14 PM

The executive order did not ban the release of his birth certificate from what I read. It said the archivist will advise the president of any documents where executive privilege might apply.

When the Archivist provides notice to the incumbent and former Presidents of his intent to disclose Presidential records pursuant to section 1270.46 of the NARA regulations, the Archivist, using any guidelines providied by the incumbent and former Presidents, shall identify any specific materials, the disclosure of which he believes may raise a substantial question of executive privilege.”

What guidelines is Obama talking about?

Sandra

07-19-2009, 08:20 PM

MIAC at work . They said they would target the Ron Paul folks. Why so many threads on the same exact subject?

mediahasyou

07-19-2009, 08:26 PM

If they don't obey the constitution, why would they begin to obey it?

tonesforjonesbones

07-19-2009, 09:37 PM

well his school records also because it is believed that he was here in school on a foreign student scholarship..and held an INDONISIAN passport. It is believed he was born in Kenya and was a citizen of Indonisia.. TONE S

qh4dotcom

07-20-2009, 11:13 AM

Bump

Catatonic

07-20-2009, 11:59 AM

pacelli

07-20-2009, 02:55 PM

obama can be impeached for this.

Yeah right. The last president we had impeached rode out his term of orifice.

torchbearer

07-20-2009, 03:05 PM

So I'm confused about something regarding this...

The state of Hawaii does not release copies of birth certificates. If you were born in Hawaii and you request a copy of your birth certificate, they will give you a certification of live birth which is what Obama provided.

But the state of Hawaii also does not accept a certification as proof you were born in Hawaii.

So what gives? Doesn't make sense.

you can get one, even if you weren't born there. that is why they are looking for the long form with the doctor's signature on it. He is the witness to your birth at a specific location.

Catatonic

07-20-2009, 03:53 PM

you can get one, even if you weren't born there. that is why they are looking for the long form with the doctor's signature on it. He is the witness to your birth at a specific location.

But if the state of Hawaii does not release copies of his birth certificate, what is he supposed to do?

http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/vital_records.html

torchbearer

07-20-2009, 03:55 PM

But if the state of Hawaii does not release copies of his birth certificate, what is he supposed to do?

http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/vital_records.html

he who? Obama?
Obama can produce his long form, but it may not be from hawaii.

jkr

07-20-2009, 05:13 PM

Racist!

John of Des Moines

07-20-2009, 05:28 PM

But under whose authority is he removed from office? The Supreme Court?

All it would take to remove BHO from office if he isn't a natural born citizen is for a Resolution from Congress stating he isn't natural born. Then if what's his name Biden didn't immediately take the oath then Nancy could take the oath. All BHO appointments and other actions would be null and void from the get go.

Catatonic

07-20-2009, 05:39 PM

he who? Obama?
Obama can produce his long form, but it may not be from hawaii.

Yeah, Obama. If the state of Hawaii won't release his BC what can he do?

Lord Xar

07-20-2009, 06:33 PM

hmm. I am slightly conflicted over this.

Given that anybody can be bought, why hasn't a copy been had (via millions offered)? I mean, you can offer any city worker or I'm sure kenyian worker a few million, and bingo ! you have yourself a copy of the certificate.

So, is it just "gone" or what

KramerDSP

07-20-2009, 07:20 PM

All it would take to remove BHO from office if he isn't a natural born citizen is for a Resolution from Congress stating he isn't natural born. Then if what's his name Biden didn't immediately take the oath then Nancy could take the oath. All BHO appointments and other actions would be null and void from the get go.

That's exactly why I feel this is a distraction. Assume all of this is true, evidence comes up that Obama is not legally qualified under the Constitution to serve as POTUS, that just means President Biden! Or President Pelosi! Come on, now. I'd much rather see the energy and effort expended on that issue refocused towards cap-and-trade legislation, the increased military actions in Afghanistan, and things of that nature. If someone's main argument that Barack Obama is a terrible president is because of what many people will view as a technicality, that someone is not going to win a lot of people to their side.

torchbearer

07-20-2009, 09:34 PM

Yeah, Obama. If the state of Hawaii won't release his BC what can he do?

he can get his cert. He asked the state to seal it.
I have a guess why.
That is why people believe he isn't a natural born citizen. He actions reek of guilt.

Sandra

07-20-2009, 09:47 PM

Can ANYONE please explain World Net Daily's own assertion that they had seen the certificate and their experts said it was valid? Hell, this wasn't even a year ago and nobody remembers this article? Also why did WND attack Berg for questioning eligibility, but support Orly Taitz ?

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73214

Danke

07-20-2009, 09:54 PM

Sandra

07-20-2009, 09:59 PM

But WND's Farah now counters ALL of the facts they verified when attacking Berg. Only when Taitz showed up did he reverse his claims. Berg is a Democrat. Taitz does the exact same thing in a much much sloppier fashion and she gets Farah's support?

libertarian4321

07-21-2009, 05:00 AM

Sandra

07-21-2009, 07:20 AM

WND defended Obama's eligibility less than a year ago. The birthers' bible is WND . So I want those holding Farah in high regard to explain away.

WND ELECTION 2008
Democrat sues Sen. Obama over 'fraudulent candidacy'
Lawsuit disputing U.S. citizenship based in part on discredited claims
Posted: August 23, 2008
5:40 pm Eastern

By Drew Zahn
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

Philip J. Berg

A prominent Pennsylvania Democrat has sued Sen. Barack Obama, the Democratic National Committee and the Federal Election Commission, claiming that Obama is not a natural-born citizen and, therefore, is not eligible to be president of the United States.

Philip J. Berg, a former member of Pennsylvania's Democratic State Committee and former deputy attorney general of Pennsylvania, filed the lawsuit this week in U.S District Court, asking the court to declare Obama ineligible for the presidency and to prevent him from running for the position.

However, a WND investigation has found that at least part of Berg's lawsuit relies on discredited claims.

A separate motion was also filed seeking a temporary restraining order on Obama's presidential campaign until Obama's eligibility can be verified.

The lawsuit claims Barack Obama's eligibility is questionable on several grounds, including the allegation that he was born in Kenya to parents unable to automatically grant him American citizenship, that his Hawaii birth certificate is a forgery – a now discredited claim – that he was made a citizen of Indonesia as a child and that he retained foreign citizenship into adulthood without recording an oath of allegiance to regain any theoretical American citizenship.

In short, the suit claims Obama was not born an American citizen; lost any hypothetical American citizenship he had as a child (Editor's note: This point is not supported by U.S. citizenship law); may not now be an American citizen and even if he is, may hold dual citizenships with other countries. If any, much less all, of these allegations are true, the suit claims, Obama cannot constitutionally serve as president.

Why would a Democrat do this to his party's own candidate? And why right before the National Convention?

(Story continues below)

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"Eighteen million Democratic Primary voters donated money, volunteered their time and energy, worked very hard and then not only supported Senator Clinton, but voted for her," Berg stated in a press release about the suit. "All the efforts of supporters of legitimate citizens were for nothing because (Obama) lied and cheated his way into a fraudulent candidacy and cheated legitimately eligible natural born citizens from competing in a fair process."

Berg explained in a radio interview with Roger Hedgecock of KOGO in San Diego that Internet reports had been persistent over the last several months that Obama's birth certificate was a forgery and that he may not be an eligible, natural-born citizen. After doing his own careful research, Berg explained, he came to the conclusion the reports were more fact than rumor and that he needed to act quickly, before the election process proceeded.

"I filed this action at this time," said Berg in a press release, "to avoid the obvious problems that will occur when the Republican Party raises these issues after Obama is nominated."

School record that lists "Barry Soetoro," a.k.a. Barack Obama, as Indonesian citizen (AP photo)

However, FactChecker.org says it obtained Obama's actual certification of live birth and that the document was indeed real. The site discredited some of the claims of Internet bloggers, such as that the certificate as viewed in a scanned copy released by Obama's campaign lacked a raised seal. FactChecker.org also established that many of the alleged flaws in the document noted by bloggers were caused by the scanning of the document.

A separate WND investigation into Obama's certification of live birth utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren't originally there.

The Berg lawsuit contends there is enough truth in the various reports to conclude, "Unfortunately, Obama is not a 'natural born' citizen."

The suit alleges that while records exist of a "registry of birth" for Obama in Hawaii (filed four days after his claimed birthday), no records exist of his mother's stay in any Hawaii hospital, suggesting she may have given birth elsewhere and filed the registration shortly thereafter on American soil.

"Obama's grandmother on his father's side, half brother and half sister claim Obama was born in Kenya," the suit states. "Reports reflect Obama's mother went to Kenya during her pregnancy; however, she was prevented from boarding a flight from Kenya to Hawaii at her late stage of pregnancy, which apparently was a normal restriction to avoid births during a flight. Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama) gave birth to Obama in Kenya, after which she flew to Hawaii and registered Obama's birth."

The claim could not be verified by WND inquiries to Hawaiian hospitals, since state law bars the hospitals from releasing medical records to the public.

Even if Obama produced authenticated proof of his birth in Hawaii, however, the suit claims that the U.S. Nationality Act of 1940 provided that minors lose their American citizenship when their parents expatriate. Since Obama's mother married an Indonesian citizen and moved to Indonesia, the suit claims, she forfeited both her and Barack's American citizenship.

However, there doesn't seem to be any evidence Ann Dunham expatriated. Also, consulting citizenship experts contend that if Obama indeed obtained Indonesian citizenship, it simply would not have been recognized by the U.S., but the presidential candidate would retain his American citizenship.

Even after her divorce and return to the U.S., the suit says, "Obama's mother failed to take the oath in order to regain her U.S. Citizenship. Therefore, Obama would not have been able to regain his U.S. Citizenship until he turned 18 years (and) after he took the oath of allegiance."

"Since the oath of allegiance would have been entered in the records of the appropriate embassy, legation, consulate, court or the Attorney General, if Plaintiff is incorrect, then Obama should be able to produce in Court a certified copy of the proceedings, including a copy of the oath administered," the suit states.

The lawsuit then claims an investigation has shown that in 1981, "Obama traveled to Pakistan using his Indonesian passport. At the time of travels to Indonesia, Obama was 20 years old. He was well aware he maintained his Indonesia citizenship, and failed to regain his United States citizenship. … Even if Obama maintained his United States Citizenship, which he failed to do, he also carries citizenships in Kenya and Indonesia. Obama has divided loyalties with foreign countries. Thus, Obama carries multiple citizenships and is ineligible to run for President of the United States."

A WND investigation could not find any proof Obama used an Indonesian passport to travel to Pakistan. However, WND noted that Pakistan in 1981 was under military rule and that it was difficult for U.S. citizens to travel to the country without assistance – meaning, it would have been easier to enter Pakistan on an Indonesian passport.

Berg claims his lawsuit is necessary, not only to protect the Constitution, but also to protect the integrity of the Democratic Party.

"If the DNC officers and/or leaders had performed one ounce of due diligence, we would not find ourselves in this emergency predicament, one week away from making a person the nominee who has lost their citizenship," said Berg in his press release. "The injunctive relief must be granted because failing to do so, (the DNC's) inaction defrauds everyone who voted in the Democratic Primary."

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73214