Ron Paul on Sarah Palin

[Rael]

As for soon-to-be departing Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, Paul dismisses her supporters as "more establishment, conventional Country-Club type of Republicans.”

"I wonder whether she's energizing the 15-20 year olds," Paul muses. "That would be a question I would have. Because she doesn't talk about the Federal Reserve and some of these issues. She doesn't talk too much about personal liberties, civil liberties, getting rid of drug laws, attacking the war on drugs, punishing people who torture."

Worse still, he adds, Palinites are partisans: “If Obama was the only one who was guilty, they would be on his case all the time, but there is a lot of partisanship and I am probably less partisan and therefore she is going to appeal to partisan Republicans better.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/25109.html

[moostraks]

THree cheers for Rael!!! If there was any confusion as to RP's opinion on Palin Supporters and Palin's platform may those be reconciled with words from the good doctor himself.

My favorite quote from this article was:
Looking back at his presidential run, Paul seems sincerely surprised: He’s stayed the same, but suddenly the young folk who were whistling past him for years stopped to listen, even as the party’s other candidates did their best to ignore him.

“Some people say, ‘Oh, that was a good strategy,’” Paul says. “It was no more strategy than a man on the moon. It was just that I knew what I believed in, I kept talking about it, knew the problems were coming.

Which embodies what I loved best about him, and where I disagree earnestly about co-opting Palin supporters until they are willing to see the faulty reasoning in partisan politics. Until they (Palin and her supporters) can rationalize the issues that cause the problems the only thing that happens when you pander too much is a concession on core values. Keep speaking to the truth, and trying to enlighten them by pointing out the strengths in our message and points of commonality but we must not allow the Hannitys, Palins, and Becks of our society remarket themselves unless they truly change what seperates us from them.

[angelatc]

I wish Paul had chosen his words more carefully. Palin has mentioned that Paul is a politician that she admires.

We have nothing to gain by isolating her base.

[Liberty Star]

I wish Paul had chosen his words more carefully. Palin has mentioned that Paul is a politician that she admires.

We have nothing to gain by isolating her base.

Even if Palin starts worshiping RP, that doesn't take away her cardinal sin of calling deadly and costly Iraq war a "task from God", her role in misleading Americans alongwith McCain. She never repented her sins and probably holds same dangerous beliefs.

She is good at stringing together talking points of the day, I'm not sure if she has any clue what has been going on in America. But as a member of male specie, I'd be lying if I said I don't like her at all.

We have a lot to gain by educating her base :)

[disorderlyvision]

:D
President? Get real. Sarah Palin couldn't manage a Wal-Mart.

[someperson]

How anyone could hope and pray that fraudulent, glorified mass murder via hitmen would be recognized by their god and seen as just is beyond me. Ms. Palin does, though. This only scratches the surface, unfortunately. Her advocacy of the following neoconservative foreign policy stances is far more troubling: nation building (Iraq, Afghanistan), interventionist meddling (Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, etc.), making the world safe for democracies (Iraq, Afghanistan, Georgia), alliances over neutrality (Georgia, etc.), economic sanctions to force compliance (Russia), war for peace (Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran), etc, etc.

[raiha]

How anyone could hope and pray that fraudulent, glorified mass murder via hitmen would be recognized by their god and seen as just is beyond me. Ms. Palin does, though. This only scratches the surface, unfortunately. Her advocacy of the following neoconservative foreign policy stances is far more troubling: nation building (Iraq, Afghanistan), interventionist meddling (Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, etc.), making the world safe for democracies (Iraq, Afghanistan, Georgia), alliances over neutrality (Georgia, etc.), economic sanctions to force compliance (Russia), war for peace (Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran), etc, etc.

Magnificently put! Added to that, the woman is a vacuous twit but then, Maybe US feels comfortable with vacuous twits at the helm.

[someperson]

Maybe US feels comfortable with vacuous twits at the helm.
I'm afraid this may be true for too many individuals. :( I'm sure the silly reasons that individuals provided to justify voting for Obama still ring in our heads, but I can still recall, in horror, the reasons people voted for Bush. Some of the more disturbing ones were: "he looks like a guy I could have a barbeque with," "I like his smile," "he looks like someone I could share a drink with," "he looks like a nice guy," "he has a nice personality." I'm sure these individuals were supportive in good faith, but the result is no less disastrous. Somehow, policy needs to be emphasized to these individuals over personality, party, and label.

[angelatc]

Even if Palin starts worshiping RP, that doesn't take away her cardinal sin of calling deadly and costly Iraq war a "task from God", her role in misleading Americans along with McCain. She never repented her sins and probably holds same dangerous beliefs.

She is good at stringing together talking points of the day, I'm not sure if she has any clue what has been going on in America. But as a member of male specie, I'd be lying if I said I don't like her at all.

We have a lot to gain by educating her base :)

We can't educate them if we isolate them.

Apparently we might even gain by educating our own base. Palin did not say the Iraq war was a task from God, any more than Ron Paul said 9/11 was America's fault. That's a Democratic talking point, perpetrated by intentional editing by ABC, and it's false. (http://patriotsforever.blogspot.com/2008/09/abc-misrepresents-palin-quote-in-holy.html)

Palin said, while addressing a church congregation, that we needed to pray that the Iraq war was a task from God. There's a huge difference, but it isn't even relevant to the conversation I'm trying to have. Paul didn't only discount Palin, he scoffed at her supporters. We know how that feels, don't we?

Palin actually did say that Iraq was a war for oil. You'll never hear that anywhere else, sadly.

And Paul's speaking style leaves almost as much to be desired as Palin's. I think we can rise above this petty bullshit.

[Pauls' Revere]

[QUOTE=moostraks;2217599]THree cheers for Rael!!!

Hip Hip Hooray!!

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[someperson]

Apparently we might even gain by educating our own base. Palin did not say the Iraq war was a task from God, any more than Ron Paul said 9/11 was America's fault. That's a Democratic talking point, perpetrated by intentional editing by ABC, and it's false. (http://patriotsforever.blogspot.com/2008/09/abc-misrepresents-palin-quote-in-holy.html)

Palin said, while addressing a church congregation, that we needed to pray that the Iraq war was a task from God. There's a huge difference, but it isn't even relevant to the conversation I'm trying to have.
It's different, but it's just as despicable, in my opinion.

If one were ever to murder someone, or hire a hitman to murder someone (which is the case of politicians and soldiers), would one want their god involved in such an act? Would one hope and pray that their god approved of such an act? I would think a humble, religious person would never want their god to become party to such fraudulent and wicked an act as the mass murder overseas. One would be better off accepting personal responsibility for the choices made and actions taken. Of course, I'm sure we all know why a politician would invoke god in a speech to a religious audience.

The god quote is immaterial to the rest of her neoconservative foreign policy positions, anyway. For more on the truly problematic issues, please read here:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=2215477&postcount=45

[moostraks]

I wish Paul had chosen his words more carefully. Palin has mentioned that Paul is a politician that she admires.

We have nothing to gain by isolating her base.

She said she liked Romney too from what I gather. Should we all adopt his talking points and mock the good doctor for sport? If this isolates her base, then it is only because the truth hurts and at least it won't poison the message.

People get so concerned regarding an individual's personal beliefs but have no problem allying with those who are politically detrimental to the goals of a free society.

I am a fence sitter regarding 9/11 but love diehard truthers that value liberty and will work with one any day of the week. I cannot see the logic in soft selling liberty to people who believe in wars of aggression merely to broaden the camp(and this is only the tip of the iceberg regarding the Palin supporters).

[heavenlyboy34]

How anyone could hope and pray that fraudulent, glorified mass murder via hitmen would be recognized by their god and seen as just is beyond me. Ms. Palin does, though. This only scratches the surface, unfortunately. Her advocacy of the following neoconservative foreign policy stances is far more troubling: nation building (Iraq, Afghanistan), interventionist meddling (Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, etc.), making the world safe for democracies (Iraq, Afghanistan, Georgia), alliances over neutrality (Georgia, etc.), economic sanctions to force compliance (Russia), war for peace (Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran), etc, etc.

I don't get it either, but Theo does. :eek::(:p

[Pauls' Revere]

I wish Paul had chosen his words more carefully. Palin has mentioned that Paul is a politician that she admires.

We have nothing to gain by isolating her base.

Does not mean the feelings are mutual. I'm glad Dr Paul says what he believes and wears it on his sleeve. You'll never fail in the truth.

[angelatc]

If one were ever to murder someone, or hire a hitman to murder someone (which is the case of politicians and soldiers), would one want their god involved in such an act? Would one hope and pray that their god approved of such an act?


Of course, but Palin didn't even do any of those things.

[angelatc]

Does not mean the feelings are mutual. I'm glad Dr Paul says what he believes and wears it on his sleeve. You'll never fail in the truth.

You will if you can't deliver the message without isolating people.

[Young Paleocon]

Palin supporters need to due some serious introspection and think about what RP said in context of her compared to the mainstream GOP before they get all butt hurt.

[angelatc]

She said she liked Romney too from what I gather. Should we all adopt his talking points and mock the good doctor for sport? If this isolates her base, then it is only because the truth hurts and at least it won't poison the message.

People get so concerned regarding an individual's personal beliefs but have no problem allying with those who are politically detrimental to the goals of a free society.

.

Isolating her base hurts our cause far more than hers. We'd get farther by talking to them, initially about things where we share common ground.

[angelatc]

Palin supporters need to due some serious introspection and think about what RP said in context of her compared to the mainstream GOP before they get all butt hurt.

But they won't. Why would they?

[someperson]

Of course, but Palin didn't even do any of those things.
She accepted the vice-presidential nomination with McCain, providing implicit support for his policies, and separately, and explicitly, supported the surge in Iraq and the one Obama is executing in Afghanistan, so, unfortunately, yes, she did (hire the hitman). One with principle would have rejected the premise of running with such an individual, as Ron Paul stated he would have.

I sometimes wonder who is worse, the one who commits murder, the one who hires the killer, or the one who supports the one who hires the killer. There's no clear answer, but I believe there is definitely a problem with all 3.

[angelatc]

It's different, but it's just as despicable, in my opinion.

If one were ever to murder someone, or hire a hitman to murder someone (which is the case of politicians and soldiers), would one want their god involved in such an act? Would one hope and pray that their god approved of such an act? I would think a humble, religious person would never want their god to become party to such fraudulent and wicked an act as the mass murder overseas. One would be better off accepting personal responsibility for the choices made and actions taken. Of course, I'm sure we all know why a politician would invoke god in a speech to a religious audience.

The god quote is immaterial to the rest of her neoconservative foreign policy positions, anyway. For more on the truly problematic issues, please read here:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=2215477&postcount=45

And thanks for ignoring the conversation I was trying to have. This Alinsky "isolate and destroy" technique is far easier than actually discussing bigger issues, like how to actually fucking win elections.

[angelatc]

She accepted the vice-presidential nomination with McCain, providing implicit support for his policies, .

Again, not even true. She said unequivocally and emphatically stated that McCain was wrong on several issues, like drilling in Anwar.

[speciallyblend]

the only thing palin is good for is maybe a girl scout troop leader! she has no credibility along with the failed gop leaders. quitting as governor doesn't help her have a leg in politics!(all palin has is excuses)

if the gop thinks palin is the future in the gop or some joke of a 3rd party that they try to build with gop backing! then the gop and its failed leaders will have no future in the gop or their so-called joke of a 3rd party! The gop is scared and they should be;)

RON PAUL 2012 ,nobody is buying the gop's crap! especially me!

[someperson]

Again, not even true. She said unequivocally and emphatically stated that McCain was wrong on several issues, like drilling in Anwar.
That part is irrelevant to the point, as I stated that particular support was implicit. She separately, and explicitly, supported the surge in Iraq, and the one currently destroying lives in Afghanistan.

[angelatc]

the only thing palin is good for is maybe a girl scout troop leader! she has no credibility.

if the gop thinks palin is the future in the gop or some joke of a 3rd party that they try to build with gop backing! then the gop and its failed leaders will have no future in the gop or their so-called joke of a 3rd party!



Have you possibly forgotten that Ron Paul is a member of the GOP?

[someperson]

like how to actually fucking win elections.
Defending an individual who believes in multiple tenets of neoconservative foreign policy will result in winning? I must be misunderstanding something.

[angelatc]

That part is irrelevant to the point, as I stated that particular support was implicit. She separately, and explicitly, supported the surge in Iraq, and the one currently destroying lives in Afghanistan.

The truth is never irrelevant.

Good luck winning an election.

[someperson]

The truth is never irrelevant.
I'm sure you know the difference between implicit and explicit, so I never distorted anything. Implicit support means she never fully stated she accepted any given policy of his, which is why it's less relevant; explicit support means she did. It is her explicit support for the surge that was related to my point of her hiring the proverbial hitman.

I apologize if any of my statements were overly blunt or in error; if I have misrepresented something, please help me to not make that mistake again.

[angelatc]

Defending an individual who believes in multiple tenets of neoconservative foreign policy will result in winning? I must be misunderstanding something.

Imagine that.

I'm not defending her. I'm not a Palin fan. I'm saying that Paul didn't do us any favors by discounting her supporters, especially when they tend only to differ from us on foreign policy *and* she had already signaled an approving interest in his politics.

[someperson]

I'll finish by saying that I completely understand what you're trying to say about not burning bridges, angelatc. I only take exception to both the "secret" neoconservative (those who commonly use the label liberal) distortion (her god quote being misrepresented as solid belief that the war is a task from god) and the "open" neoconservative (those who commonly use the label conservative) distortion (her god quote is actually good, no! really!). I believe her god quote demonstrates an absence of character, as I have written about already, but my belief isn't important.

Attempting to make Palin's views seem remotely similar to Dr. Paul's views is ill-advised, in my opinion. I believe the less people who think Dr. Paul and Ms. Palin are interchangeable, the better. The media loves to use guilt-by-association attacks. If they get a quote of him showering praise upon her directly, and if he ever makes it to the "finals" in 2012, it will be replayed in attack ads incessantly, tying him indirectly to bomb bomb McCain. It might be good to think about this situation from the perspective of an average individual today.

Cue ominous music with speaker talking in a somber tone, with a dark background and black-and-white photos: """"Do we want another John McCain? Ron Paul has supported the McCain/Palin administration in the past and wants to bring their policies to America. "Palin has great ideas for the future of our country and her supporters are on the right track." - Ron Paul, September 2011. Reelect President Obama. Let's continue the change. This ad paid for by The Secret Neoconservatives of America Coalition.""""

Maybe the result of such activity will be much different, though. I don't know; I just hope we don't see the above lol

[tonesforjonesbones]

Huffington Post and the socialist left haters of Christians and haters of GOD twisted EVER:YTHING Palin said or did...if you can't see that, it's because you are:

a. a socialist yourself
b. blind as a bat

Sarah Palin is loved by 99% of conservative women. She is EVERYTHING a socialist liberal woman hates. Feminine, has a nice looking husband who stands by her, family, etc...OH an religion. She has religion, that galls MANY on this thread and ALL socialist liberals. TONES

[TortoiseDream]

we definitely don't see eye to eye with palin on a lot of things, but she's closer to an ally than an enemy at the moment. we don't need to sacrifice any of the things we believe in, but we should at least try to work together first.

[angelatc]

I'll finish by saying that I completely understand what you're trying to say about not burning bridges, angelatc. I only take exception to both the "secret" neoconservative (those who commonly use the label liberal) distortion (her god quote being misrepresented as solid belief that the war is a task from god) and the "open" neoconservative (those who commonly use the label conservative) distortion (her god quote is actually good, no! really!). I believe her god quote demonstrates an absence of character, as I have written about already, but my belief isn't important.

Attempting to make Palin's views seem remotely similar to Dr. Paul's views is ill-advised, in my opinion. I believe the less people who think Dr. Paul and Ms. Palin are interchangeable, the better. The media loves to use guilt-by-association attacks. If they get a quote of him showering praise upon her directly, and if he ever makes it to the "finals" in 2012, it will be replayed in attack ads incessantly, tying him indirectly to bomb bomb McCain. It might be good to think about this situation from the perspective of an average individual today.

Cue ominous music with speaker talking in a somber tone, with a dark background and black-and-white photos: """"Do we want another John McCain? Ron Paul has supported the McCain/Palin administration in the past and wants to bring their policies to America. "Palin has great ideas for the future of our country and her supporters are on the right track." - Ron Paul, September 2011. Reelect President Obama. Let's continue the change. This ad paid for by The Secret Neoconservatives of America Coalition.""""

Maybe the result of such activity will be much different, though. I don't know; I just hope we don't see the above lol

I don't have to "make" anybody's views seem similar to anything. They are what they are.

Are you a militant atheist who gets upset anytime somebody mentions the word "God?" Then more congratulations-you're also isolating 85% of the American population. The DNC thanks you for keeping the Paul supporters out there on the fringe.

Palin expressed her support for Paul. It happened. And yet you think it would be stupid to use that to further our cause. Apparently we *will* need God's help, because it will take nothing short of a miracle for the masses to have a spontaneous Epiphany and realize that we're right if we can't even admit we agree with some of the things other politicians say.

Her God quote was indeed distorted. You saw a lack of character and attacked her personally, but I saw a crack in her solid commitment to the policy. It was an absolute shame that we weren't organized enough didn't seize her moment of doubt and spin it in our direction. (The liberals jumped on it,convinced everybody they were right and they didn't even bother to tell the truth about what she said!)

What's your plan to win converts, exactly? Ridicule and scorn don't seem to be growing our base.

[angelatc]

we definitely don't see eye to eye with palin on a lot of things, but she's closer to an ally than an enemy at the moment. we don't need to sacrifice any of the things we believe in, but we should at least try to work together first.

I'm not a Palin supporter. I think she's in over her head. I also think she's stupid, but there's a cure for that. However, Paul can't educate her if he isolates her.

[teamrican1]

It's different, but it's just as despicable, in my opinion.

If one were ever to murder someone, or hire a hitman to murder someone (which is the case of politicians and soldiers), would one want their god involved in such an act? Would one hope and pray that their god approved of such an act? I would think a humble, religious person would never want their god to become party to such fraudulent and wicked an act as the mass murder overseas. One would be better off accepting personal responsibility for the choices made and actions taken. Of course, I'm sure we all know why a politician would invoke god in a speech to a religious audience.

The god quote is immaterial to the rest of her neoconservative foreign policy positions, anyway. For more on the truly problematic issues, please read here:


Saying that a war is a task from God displays absolute faith in the war. Praying that the war is a task from God is an expression of doubt. That comment was spinned by the Left because their whole thing was making Palin look like a religious nut, but if you actually look at her speech it is the furthest thing from a "pro-war" speech. Again and again in that speech she expressed doubt about the war and urged people not to pray for our leaders, but to pray that our leaders knew what they were doing. Not as firm an anti-war sentiment as Paul, but at the same time, its the kind of speech that would have driven the Neocons nuts. Fortunately however, they had their allies on the other side of the aisle to run interference for them and if anybody heard about that speech at all in the news, they would have heard the Dem spin that gave to it a meaning almost completely opposed to what it really was.

This is not meant to be a blanket endorsement of Palin. As far as I'm concerned, the woman is a blank slate and nobody can say for sure where she stands on any issues. She seemed reasonably good in Alaska, then she joined McCain's team and parroted his ridiculous talking points which I'm not going to hold against her, but at the same time, she needs to come out and say what she believes in. My test is the 2010 primary. If she comes out for Schiff and Paul, then I'll consider her. If not, then I'm not really interested in what she has to say because she will have proven by her actions that she doesn't stand with us.

[someperson]

I don't have to "make" anybody's views seem similar to anything. They are what they are.

That statement was in general. I wasn't stating that you were trying to do that; I apologize for the misunderstanding and for not being clear.



Are you a militant atheist who gets upset anytime somebody mentions the word "God?" Then more congratulations-you're also isolating 85% of the American population. The DNC thanks you for keeping the Paul supporters out there on the fringe.

I don't appreciate having a collectivist label applied to me, like militant atheist, as I have beliefs that are all over the place, as it relates to such matters. I won't respond in kind, though.



Her God quote was indeed distorted. You saw a lack of character and attacked her personally, but I saw a crack in her solid commitment to the policy. It was an absolute shame that we weren't organized enough didn't seize her moment of doubt and spin it in our direction. (The liberals jumped on it,convinced everybody they were right and they didn't even bother to tell the truth about what she said!)

I'm not sure why you seem to believe that my primary issue with Ms. Palin's policies is the god quote. I have already stated, I believe in my first post in this thread, that it is not.

How anyone could hope and pray that fraudulent, glorified mass murder via hitmen would be recognized by their god and seen as just is beyond me. Ms. Palin does, though. This only scratches the surface, unfortunately. Her advocacy of the following neoconservative foreign policy stances is far more troubling: nation building (Iraq, Afghanistan), interventionist meddling (Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, etc.), making the world safe for democracies (Iraq, Afghanistan, Georgia), alliances over neutrality (Georgia, etc.), economic sanctions to force compliance (Russia), war for peace (Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran), etc, etc.
As far as this thread is concerned, the issue I had was the misrepresentation of her god quote from both sides. You obviously see the misrepresentation that was made by one side. Those who believe she said the Iraq War is a task from god are mistaken. However, I believe those who believe what she really said was good, that she hopes and prays that this fraudulent campaign of mass murder is a task from god, should reevaluate how ethical such a statement really is, especially given her explicit support for the surge that likely ended the lives of more individuals, from this nation and locally, in Afghanistan today, according to reports. I believe if she supports the surge, she should take personal responsibility for the action and result, and not place the burden of responsibility upon her god, praying that it's his will, essentially hoping that god is party to illegal, fraudulent mass-murder. I don't know how you feel about this, but that seems like quite an immoral thing to hope for.

As I said earlier, I sometimes wonder who is worse, the one who commits murder, the one who hires the killer, or the one who supports the one who hires the killer. There's no clear answer, but I believe there is definitely a problem with all 3. Her explicit support of the surge places her in either category 2 or 3.

This god issue in the thread is unrelated to the real issues I have with Ms. Palin's policies, as I outlined here:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=2215477&postcount=45



What's your plan to win converts, exactly? Ridicule and scorn don't seem to be growing our base.
As Dr. Paul has noted, different individuals will do different things to further liberty in this country. I know you have contributed much, as I have read your posts over quite a long time here. Others have run for office.

I don't plan to "convert" anyone, as this isn't a holy war and I'm not a missionary. It's probably just me, but the word has a negative connotation; this is all useless semantics, though, and I apologize for even bringing it up. The point is, I don't work to create new Ron Paul supporters; I try to help individuals understand those specific ideas that liberty is founded in; in other words, the general message of Ron Paul is what I try to spread. I believe in policy before personality, party, and label, so I rarely, if ever, bring up Ron Paul or anyone else. Appeal to authority isn't high on my list of ways to discuss these topics. If the individual chooses to assist this movement afterward, they can do so. If they choose to do nothing or choose to just keep studying, they can do that.

Sometimes I fail miserably in trying to help, and this may be one of those occasions :)

[Liberty Star]

We can't educate them if we isolate them.

Apparently we might even gain by educating our own base. Palin did not say the Iraq war was a task from God, any more than Ron Paul said 9/11 was America's fault. That's a Democratic talking point, perpetrated by intentional editing by ABC, and it's false. (http://patriotsforever.blogspot.com/2008/09/abc-misrepresents-palin-quote-in-holy.html)

Palin said, while addressing a church congregation, that we needed to pray that the Iraq war was a task from God. There's a huge difference, but it isn't even relevant to the conversation I'm trying to have. Paul didn't only discount Palin, he scoffed at her supporters. We know how that feels, don't we?

Palin actually did say that Iraq was a war for oil. You'll never hear that anywhere else, sadly.

And Paul's speaking style leaves almost as much to be desired as Palin's. I think we can rise above this petty bullshit.

It is not about style but about substance. RP statements cited in OP are as close to truth as one can find anywhere.

I agree that media was brutal on her but that does not mean she has not displayed a pretty ignorant and dangerous view of the world. She tends to project base human lusts using holy name of God and she has failed to apologize even after God has sent her clear signals that her projections about God's view of Iraqi civilians and gas pipelines were false. We don't need ABC or anyone else tell us what she said and meant, we should judge for our selves what she was advocating:

YouTube - Sarah Palin: Alaskan Pipeline is "God's Will" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q9MMJESywA&feature=related)

YouTube - Sarah Palin: War in Iraq is "God's Plan" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H-btXPfhGs)



The "will of God be done" but what we have here is Barack Hussein Obama elected as POTUS because of what likes of Bush/Cheney/Palin/McCain did and stood for; this miracle could not have happened without their help. Palin should take credit that is due.

[someperson]

I've never seen that gas pipeline video; it kind of places the other quote into a different light. Now I'm not sure if she's disgracefully hoping that the mass murder overseas is god's will, or just pandering to that religious audience, invoking god for any random reason in order to garner support from them. Perhaps the second possibility is more favorable for her, overall, as it just indicates that she may be quite cunning.

[torchbearer]

she may be quite cunning.

if so, she definitely isn't principled.

[someperson]

if so, she definitely isn't principled.
lol her being so excited about the government spending $30 billion says you're right.

[nbhadja]

n/a

[nbhadja]

n/a

[Reason]

+1 For RP

Palin is a disgrace.

[Bman]

Why would anyone here be surprised. There's alot of us here who have been trying to tell some of you that Palin is not viable as a liberty candidate.

[FSP-Rebel]

Why would anyone here be surprised. There's alot of us here who have been trying to tell some of you that Palin is not viable as a liberty candidate.
I was one of them hoping for the best, but I see the real deal now. Thx.

[tonesforjonesbones]

THe problem with atheists is you don't understand people of faith. What sounds nutty to you ..is deep in the hearts of faithful folks..such as "God's will". you know "THY WILL BE DONE"...Tones

[Bman]

THe problem with atheists is you don't understand people of faith. What sounds nutty to you ..is deep in the hearts of faithful folks..such as "God's will". you know "THY WILL BE DONE"...Tones

How can you say that for sure. At an ealry point in my life I would have thought you nuts not to believe in God. Now it's turned a 180.

What's deep in many theists hearts is the lame reason used to justify ones actions.

[tonesforjonesbones]

Bman...as I said. You don't understand people of faith. Just because YOU don't believe it does not make it not true. tones

[Bman]

Bman...as I said. You don't understand people of faith. Just because YOU don't believe it does not make it not true. tones

Nor does it make it true. I understand that people need to take personal responsibility for their actions. God's "so called" will is certainly not your will, however, your actions are your will. Don't confuse the issue.

[revolutionary8]

Ron Paul is so awesome. He is so honest and sincere, and for those who are taking this personally, I ask you to please just get the F over yourselves. Sarah Palin DOES attract the country club (FAKE) Conservatives, like the FAKE Cowboys, etc. and by no fault of their own... they've been had. This is why McInsane and TPTB "chose her".
Let's not forget to ask how/why she GOT the nomination in the first place...
Ron Paul didn't attack SP, he specifically stated who she tended to "shcmooze".
Some people, bless their hearts, are a bit more gullible than others.

[someperson]

I understand that people need to take personal responsibility for their actions. God's "so called" will is certainly not your will, however, your actions are your will.
Well said :)

[Theocrat]

I wish Paul had chosen his words more carefully. Palin has mentioned that Paul is a politician that she admires.

We have nothing to gain by isolating her base.

YouTube - Sarah Palin on Ron Paul and Republican partisanship (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YglP4clX0A)

[Epic]

Yeah RP is getting serious blowback on this one.

I wish he took out the country club part.

I mean, don't get me wrong, everything he said is true. Just not helpful.

[acptulsa]

I wish Paul had chosen his words more carefully. Palin has mentioned that Paul is a politician that she admires.

We have nothing to gain by isolating her base.

Oh, he was reasonably diplomatic, for such a plain speaking man. After all these years, he just gets better and better at that. He didn't call them bloodthirsty imperialists, did he? Chickenhawks? Armchair ass kickers?

Sooner or later we're going to have to make them see (if possible) that the nation can no longer afford this crap any more than they can afford to feed that new Hummer they've been drooling over.

[BenIsForRon]

I would just like to point out Angelatc and Theocrat have a total double standard here. They are totally willing to let Palin's faults slide, but Kucinich wanting a Dept. of Peace... OH HELL NO!!!!!

[acptulsa]

So, if we crossbred Palin and Kucinich, would we achieve perfection? Or would we create a monster?

Twins we could name Jeckyll and Hyde?

[Young Paleocon]

YouTube - Sarah Palin on Ron Paul and Republican partisanship (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YglP4clX0A)

Theo, I sympathize with the point you were trying to make and the possible sincerity Palin was trying to show, but holy shit she sounds dumb in that video. As far as I'm concerned she epitomizes the anti-intellectual bent that has taken over the conservative movement since the moral majority joined it.

[Dorfsmith]

That does it. I'm officially going to take Ron Paul 2012 signs to the next neocon tea party. It's fun to watch everybody tell their kids to stay away from the evil "paultards" :)

[acptulsa]

That does it. I'm officially going to take Ron Paul 2012 signs to the next neocon tea party. It's fun to watch everybody tell their kids to stay away from the evil "paultards" :)

They don't want to go around the world killing people over the petrodollar. They're evil. Stay away.

Huh? :confused: I'll never get it. Too weird for me.

[speciallyblend]

That does it. I'm officially going to take Ron Paul 2012 signs to the next neocon tea party. It's fun to watch everybody tell their kids to stay away from the evil "paultards" :)

i hear you;) the only person i can see voting for for prez in 2012 in the republican party is Ron Paul 2012. The gop doesn't have any options to vote for;)

[Dorfsmith]

i hear you;) the only person i can see voting for for prez in 2012 in the republican party is Ron Paul 2012. The gop doesn't have any options to vote for;)

Honestly, at this point I doubt I would even switch back to the Republican party to vote for Ron Paul in the primary. If it really came down to it I might but I am completely over the Republican party.

[acptulsa]

Honestly, at this point I doubt I would even switch back to the Republican party to vote for Ron Paul in the primary. If it really came down to it I might but I am completely over the Republican party.

Heh. If I can get over my lifetime aversion and stomach registering with the G.O.P. just to vote for Paul in a primary, any principled conservative can do it. If it gets to bothering you, just snort and holler 'bah, humbug!'

[moostraks]

Huffington Post and the socialist left haters of Christians and haters of GOD twisted EVER:YTHING Palin said or did...if you can't see that, it's because you are:

a. a socialist yourself
b. blind as a bat

Sarah Palin is loved by 99% of conservative women. She is EVERYTHING a socialist liberal woman hates. Feminine, has a nice looking husband who stands by her, family, etc...OH an religion. She has religion, that galls MANY on this thread and ALL socialist liberals. TONES

You really do not have the grasp on all of us who detest her. I am a conservative christian female who is deeply disgraced by her portrayal of those like me. First off invoking God's will in war is counter-intutitive to the commandment we were told is second to loving God which is to love thy neighbor. It is a bit hard to do when one is blowing their limbs to kingdom come, don't cha think??? That is not religion it is justification for a pre-emptive war.

Furthermore she justifies her decisions based upon her beliefs in her god and then embarks on campaigns to enforce or negate laws or condone issues according to this, which fails to allow the proper tolerance God gives humanity to make their own mistakes and choose their path. This also does not resonate as liberty minded but more morality based totalitarianism that the GOP has wrongfully embraced over the last few years. No, what goads me is her improper utilization of religion for her own biased agenda. The only people who agree with her are those who rationalize in the same warped, twisted manner and then wave a flag and call it liberty.

Then you have the proud working mom routine. Her family is a mess and she is like a poster child to why women should not work and have a family- which disgraces those who do manage to strike a happy balance between work and home. Maybe that whole popping a child out and ditching them really wasn't how she should have managed her career and family? If she cannot make sound decisions with one other individual regarding the small group of a family how could she be intrusted to make the right decisions regarding a nation with oversight regarding multiple people?

I seriously doubt that 99% of conservative women like her, it just seems that way to you because you associate with people of a like-minded fashion. The msm has trained people to villify anyone who disagrees with them as a liar or the other political party in opposition to their views, when in fact each party is so busy following icons rather than being encouraged to develop independant thought and to value individual liberty which removes the power from the hands of tptb and places the responsibilty and freedom back in the hands where the Creator originally intended it to be.

[Dorfsmith]

Heh. If I can get over my lifetime aversion and stomach registering with the G.O.P. just to vote for Paul in a primary, any principled conservative can do it. If it gets to bothering you, just snort and holler 'bah, humbug!'

You're probably right. I could hold my nose and do it again.

[paulitics]

Those who still like Sarah Palin listen to "conservative" talk radio, and turn a blind eye to their love of pre-emptive war, and disdain of civil liberties.

All of that rehashed Reagan rhetoric of small government amounts to nothing, when you add up the costs of imperialism abroad, and police state at home.

Sarah Palin may not be in the same camp as McCain and Colin Powell, but she is in the same camp as Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, etc and other big government loving right wing talk shows. And don't forget, George W. Bush ran on a platform no different than Palin, perhaps even more conservative and was supported by the same faction in the Republican party.

[Reason]

YouTube - Sarah Palin Family Meeting (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLJS9yoHQms)

[revolutionary8]

I would just like to point out Angelatc and Theocrat have a total double standard here. They are totally willing to let Palin's faults slide, but Kucinich wanting a Dept. of Peace... OH HELL NO!!!!!
:D
They are the stubborn sort, but I think they are both really good people. :)

I happen to be the opposite sort of stubborn, DK's "dep't of peace" sounds wayyy better to me than Sarah's devotion to Israel and bomb, bomb, bomb Iran Man:D

[revolutionary8]

You really do not have the grasp on all of us who detest her. I am a conservative christian female who is deeply disgraced by her portrayal of those like me. First off invoking God's will in war is counter-intutitive to the commandment we were told is second to loving God which is to love thy neighbor. It is a bit hard to do when one is blowing their limbs to kingdom come, don't cha think??? That is not religion it is justification for a pre-emptive war.

Furthermore she justifies her decisions based upon her beliefs in her god and then embarks on campaigns to enforce or negate laws or condone issues according to this, which fails to allow the proper tolerance God gives humanity to make their own mistakes and choose their path. This also does not resonate as liberty minded but more morality based totalitarianism that the GOP has wrongfully embraced over the last few years. No, what goads me is her improper utilization of religion for her own biased agenda. The only people who agree with her are those who rationalize in the same warped, twisted manner and then wave a flag and call it liberty.

Then you have the proud working mom routine. Her family is a mess and she is like a poster child to why women should not work and have a family- which disgraces those who do manage to strike a happy balance between work and home. Maybe that whole popping a child out and ditching them really wasn't how she should have managed her career and family? If she cannot make sound decisions with one other individual regarding the small group of a family how could she be intrusted to make the right decisions regarding a nation with oversight regarding multiple people?

I seriously doubt that 99% of conservative women like her, it just seems that way to you because you associate with people of a like-minded fashion. The msm has trained people to villify anyone who disagrees with them as a liar or the other political party in opposition to their views, when in fact each party is so busy following icons rather than being encouraged to develop independant thought and to value individual liberty which removes the power from the hands of tptb and places the responsibilty and freedom back in the hands where the Creator originally intended it to be.

Holy Cow, this is an awesome post. I'm not too much in to Religion 'per say' (I surely don't mind others who are) but yes, I hear everything you are saying-'per say'. :)

[SimpleName]

I wish Paul had chosen his words more carefully. Palin has mentioned that Paul is a politician that she admires.

We have nothing to gain by isolating her base.

He could have chosen better words surely, but I won't fault him much. Palin only "admires" him because it can get her votes from those on the fringe on the libertarian movement (Beck viewers). At least he was honest. But no surprise there.

[jmdrake]

We can't educate them if we isolate them.

Apparently we might even gain by educating our own base. Palin did not say the Iraq war was a task from God, any more than Ron Paul said 9/11 was America's fault. That's a Democratic talking point, perpetrated by intentional editing by ABC, and it's false. (http://patriotsforever.blogspot.com/2008/09/abc-misrepresents-palin-quote-in-holy.html)

Palin said, while addressing a church congregation, that we needed to pray that the Iraq war was a task from God. There's a huge difference, but it isn't even relevant to the conversation I'm trying to have. Paul didn't only discount Palin, he scoffed at her supporters. We know how that feels, don't we?

Palin actually did say that Iraq was a war for oil. You'll never hear that anywhere else, sadly.

And Paul's speaking style leaves almost as much to be desired as Palin's. I think we can rise above this petty bullshit.

Well post the "Iraq was a war for oil" link so we can all read it. She definitely didn't say that during her debate.

But Palin's "cardinal sin" to me is her "defense" of the Bush/Obama/McCain bailout in her interview with Katie Couric. She claimed the bailout was a part of tax reduction, health care reform, job creation etc.

YouTube - Palin CBS Interview: Bailout = healthcare reform (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heAibiOJ5NE)

Her position puts her 180 degrees at odds with Ron Paul's major initiatives.

Now, you're worried about antagonizing Palin supporters. Well what about the majority of Americans that DON'T support Palin? I get a lot of flack from those who say "You're only against the bailouts now that Obama is doing it." Some of these people know for a fact that's not true and are lying to themselves, but some who didn't know me a year ago see the Palins, Gingriches and Rick Perrys of the world hitching themselves to the "tea party" bandwaggon and thing that's representative of the Obama opposition. We can't win our country back that way.

Maybe Paul could have chosen his words better. Maybe instead of saying "country club republicans". That's too generic. He could have said "republicans who abandoned free market principles by supporting the bailout."

[bobbyw24]

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/07/paul-on-palin.html

23 Jul 2009 09:49 am
Paul On Palin

by Chris Bodenner

America's favorite libertarian hits America's favorite quitter over old-school conservatism:

Paul dismisses her supporters as "more establishment, conventional Country-Club type of Republicans.” "I wonder whether she's energizing the 15-20 year olds," Paul muses. "That would be a question I would have. Because she doesn't talk about the Federal Reserve and some of these issues. She doesn't talk too much about personal liberties, civil liberties, getting rid of drug laws, attacking the war on drugs, punishing people who torture."

Amen. But the Fed? Are teens nowadays really that hot for the gold standard? Actually, according to a profile of young Paulites by Eve Fairbanks last year, more than you think:

It's not about personality worship for the volunteers, the fetishization of a person's capacity to shine in public or persuade. It's about questions like the purpose of our Federal Reserve, which really piques these volunteers' interest, and which just so happens to get a Texas congressman named Ron Paul going, too.