Are you part of a citizen militia?

[dude58677]

I am part of the 3rd S.O.G Wolfpack of Pennsylvania.

[t0rnado]

Enjoi talking to FBI informants =D

[dude58677]

Enjoi talking to FBI informants =D

It is perfectly legitimate. The DC vs Heller stated that we have under the second amendment the right to bear arms as individuals( I don't agree that the Supreme Court is the final word of the Constution but the ruling does show that militia groups are getting the respect they deserve).


The only people that go to jail are the ones who commit crimes such as murder within thes militia groups.

The Arziona Minutemen protecting our borders by detaining illegal aliens with firearms till teh Border Patrol takes the illegals into full custody. YouTube - A Call to Arms - 33-min documentary (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fz4BcLc-ql4)


It is perfectly legitimate.

[t0rnado]

I know it's legal and legitimate and I completely agree with you, but militia groups generally have an ATF or FBI informant or two. I just think that the risks outweigh the benefits.

[dude58677]

I know it's legal and legitimate and I completely agree with you, but militia groups generally have an ATF or FBI informant or two. I just think that the risks outweigh the benefits.

I think with the DC vs Heller that attitude is changing. Yes it did come with a ATF informant during the 90's following Timothy McVeigh but this is the post DC vs Heller era.

[t0rnado]

The Right Wing Militia Report was released by the DHS after DC vs. Heller and the MIAC report was released after DC vs Heller too, so things definitely haven't changed. I'd say that it's gotten worse now.

[Oyate]

Wow. Interesting poll results. I'm part of no militia nor am I considering it but I didn't expect to see 0 say yes. I know more than a few self-proclaimed militia persons and they are vocal elements in the movement.

A certain faction among us holds that all men of fighting age are by default part of the "constitutional militia" but some of the Constitutionalist scholarly arguments are a bit above my head.

I will say that for a long time the word "militia" had a negative connotation to it, like the really crazy elements that seem to WANT to kill somebody. But talking to more people active in it, they do fund raisers and charity drives and consider themselves part of the community emergency capability continuum. Like they are prepared to work WITH law enforcement and first responders and that sounds pretty cool to me. They sure could have used something like that in NOLA.

[Kludge]

Wow. Interesting poll results. I'm part of no militia nor am I considering it but I didn't expect to see 0 say yes. I know more than a few self-proclaimed militia persons and they are vocal elements in the movement.

Militants are.... militant?! :eek: :p

[free.alive]

Is the OP doing some recon fo the FBI here?

[dude58677]

There is no shame in being part of a citizen militia, in fact everyone is. It is the best justification on why we should not have a standing army.

[ChaosControl]

I don't trust anyone enough to ever join a militia.

[Sandman]

Why would you not trust your neighbors..I think its insane that every community does not have one.volunteers ready at the drop of a hat to chip in when needed?Just think how much we could save if large segaments of the population could be called up for emergency's.Weither its fire,flood,crime patrols,accidents severe weather disasters.that I thinks is what militia should be formed up for..and in the most dire situations defense.Just my 2cents.

[mediahasyou]

I am a human being not a citizen, and no I am not part of a militia.

[heavenlyboy34]

Why would you not trust your neighbors..I think its insane that every community does not have one.volunteers ready at the drop of a hat to chip in when needed?Just think how much we could save if large segaments of the population could be called up for emergency's.Weither its fire,flood,crime patrols,accidents severe weather disasters.that I thinks is what militia should be formed up for..and in the most dire situations defense.Just my 2cents.

Here in the Southwest, I just don't trust people enough. You can never really tell who's authentic unless you've known them for years. In some places it might be a good idea, tho. I don't get around much, so I don't know. :(

[Anti Federalist]

If you are male, over 17 and under 45, you're part of the militia whether you like it or not.

TITLE 10 > Subtitle A > PART I > CHAPTER 13 > § 311Prev | Next § 311. Militia: composition and classes

a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

(b) The classes of the militia are—

(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and

(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

[AuH2O]

If you are male, over 17 and under 45, you're part of the militia whether you like it or not.

TITLE 10 > Subtitle A > PART I > CHAPTER 13 > § 311Prev | Next § 311. Militia: composition and classes

a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

(b) The classes of the militia are—

(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and

(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

What is this you are quoting? If this is something official, doesn't it categorically refute the "militia only" argument against individual firearm ownership in the 2nd Amendment?

[Anti Federalist]

What is this you are quoting? If this is something official, doesn't it categorically refute the "militia only" argument against individual firearm ownership in the 2nd Amendment?

That's United States Code Section 311.

Of course it does.

You're assuming the fedgov or the states for that matter, follow the Constitution in any meaningful way.

[pcosmar]

Bump for consideration.

[Oyate]

Upon further study, I find that I am part of a militia. Arizona law defines all males of fighting age who don't opt-out to be part of the citizen's militia. I have not nor would I opt out in the face of crisis so.....at ease, no need to salute me.

[devil21]

Probably not a good idea to answer surveys like this regardless of where they're posted.

[Oyate]

It gets better for me. I found out that the "opt out" clause is a pretty recent amendment, just within the past 20 years or so. In other words until recently, the legislation declaring all fit and fighting age males to be part of the militia was worded in a compulsory manner.

Of course this militia is widely held to be vestigial, one of those old laws from a bygone time that nobody removed from the books. But rather than wipe it off the books, they amended it so nobody is force-conscripted. So I guess it's truly a volunteer militia in concept. And this to me speaks of wisdom.

Somebody must have seen a scenario where we'd want to bring it back into service so we left the possibility open. Like most state militias, this one would be under the direct control of our state governor.

This concept is not alien to the Wild Wild West where citizens were (and very rarely are now) deputized for extra-ordinary purposes. Also, we still have posses here. Real live sheriff posses. Up here in Yavapai County (Yavapai are the people who still inhabit this town, their name means "People Of The Sun") it's quite the cool thing to be part of the sheriff's Jeep Posse. I don't think they get badges though. They get t-shirts and the right to put stickers on their trucks.

They help out with security at fairs and air shows and they are on hand to rescue lost people in the desert. Except very few people get lost in the high desert. It truly is deadly so people don't screw around. The tourists all stick around well-known trails. The favourite tourist trail around here is down on Courthouse Square where all the bars are. Tourists do indeed get lost there but we generally herd them back into their hotels around 2:00 AM.

Well there you go. I didn't think I was part of a militia but my state Constitution says I am as long as I want to be. I guess I'll have to update my resume.

[Arklatex]

I am we're called Texans.

[dr. hfn]

We should all be in a militia.

[bg1654]

Dont know of one in my area.

[TennesseeStateMilitia]

You bet I am... and so are you. Read about YOUR Citizen's Militia rights at http://TennesseeMilitia.com

and read this:

True Vs. False Militia And Why The Difference Matters
Written by Dr. Edwin Vieira, Jr., Ph.D., J.D.
Monday, 30 July 2007 00:00
Although at the present time I am one of very few people, if not the only person, vociferously advocating revitalization of "the Militia of the several States" along strict constitutional lines, I am confident that the Forces of Darkness fully anticipate that I shall not remain for much longer a lonely "voice crying in the wilderness" of the Internet and the market for rare books. Rather, as this country lurches ever-closer to crisis because of their insatiable avarice, ambition, and appetite for power, accelerated by their inexhaustible arrogance, the Forces of Darkness realize that time is running out and that truth will out. The consequences of that eventuality being so detrimental to them, they need to take counteraction soon, before they find themselves pitched out on their ears.

They have four options:

Silence -- to keep as many people as possible in the dark about revitalization of the Militia for as long as possible. If that does not work,

Misdirection -- to lead the initially small number of self-educated idealists and activists into self-destructive behavior. If that does not work,

Defamation -- to smother the movement in derision and demonization, so as to poison the minds of the general public, and thereby stunt the movement’s growth. And only if all these do not work,

Suppression -- to employ brutal police-state methods to smash the movement (although such a course of action may prove problematic, possibly self-defeating, once the Militia have been revitalized in even a few States).

With the Internet in so many homes, silence is no longer a viable tactic. The idea already courses through the ether, easily accessible to all and not subject to erasure. Moreover, left to its own devices, it can only gain adherents and practitioners, because revitalization of "the Militia of the several States" offers the best alternative available to return this country to constitutional self-government by We the People in the near future.

Defamation is not at the present time a viable tactic, either. Inasmuch as derision and demonization contradict the tactic of silence, they can be employed only when silence no longer suffices: that is, only when an idea already threatens to explode into a powerful political movement. For revitalization of the Militia, however, that time has not quite arrived. So the Forces of Darkness need not yet mobilize their morally club-footed Goebbels-figures in the media and among the intelligentsiia -- although this country can expect to hear from these ranters soon enough, as more and more common Americans wake up, listen up, and start to speak and act up, and the enemies of popular self-government try to shut them up with name-calling, bluster, and threats.

So, right now, Americans should expect the Forces of Darkness to favor misdirection in order to divert idealists and activists from the true Militia to various false "militias." Misdirection can be adventitious, when the Forces of Darkness rely on common people who are acting in good faith, albeit mistakenly. Or it can be artificial, when the Forces of Darkness deploy their own malicious agents provocateurs and other operatives to conduct people down blind alleys.

1. In the first category are found most of those Americans around the country who already participate in, or contemplate joining, various private "militias." By in large, their motivations are patriotic and to that extent laudable. Nonetheless, because few of them are legal historians, their research tends to be less than sufficient, their plans less than adequate, for the difficult task they have set themselves to perform.

Although some of these private "militias" claim "common law" as their basis, they cannot stand on such a foundation. For "common law" had nothing whatsoever to do with the formation and operation of the Militia in any of the Colonies or independent States prior to ratification of the Constitution. All of those Militia were the products of charters or statutes. And in none of them did judges or sheriffs play any directing role. Under the Constitution, therefore, the same pattern must obtain today.

As wholly private organizations with no legal authority peculiar to themselves-- for certainly not a single one of them has been empowered by a State statute to participate in the activities they have taken upon themselves -- these "militias" are necessarily not parts of the government of any State or Locality. Indeed, they view themselves as at least potential antagonists and opponents of "the government" in general -- which they condemn (and not inaccurately) for serial oppressions already inflicted upon common Americans; which they suspect (and not unfairly) is plotting to commit even more of these offenses; and which they intend and are preparing to resist. Their resistance, however, they proclaim will be entirely defensive -- an assertion supported by their behavior. For their members arm for and train in the small-unit tactics practiced by guerrilleros, steeling themselves for the day when "the government" causes some crisis so devastating that large numbers of Americans are compelled to rise up in open, armed rebellion, to preserve their lives, liberties, and property from wanton destruction.

That such a crisis is possible, perhaps rather probable, is anything but a paranoidal delusion that haunts these private "militias" alone. For example:

Some 9/11-type "terrorist strike," whether real or engineered, might be used to rationalize a nationwide police-state lockdown under "emergency powers" and "martial law."

As part of or in preparation for such a lockdown, a nationwide seizure of privately owned firearms might be attempted.

A gun grab might set the stage or provide the excuse for a nationwide round-up of dissidents for incarceration in concentration camps.

A monetary and banking collapse might usher in, or result from, a nationwide police-state crackdown. And,

Even an apparently benign "merger" that melds Canada, the United States, and Mexico into a North American Union could serve as a reason for confiscation of Americans' privately owned firearms -- because the "gun-control" laws in Canada and Mexico could not coexist with the rights Americans now enjoy under the Second Amendment; with "open borders" the traffic into and out of the United States would defeat those Canadian and Mexican laws; and, therefore, the Second Amendment would have to be set aside perforce of the North American Union's supposed "supremacy" in hemispheric legislation.

In any event, when the day of reckoning finally dawns, for whatever reason, these various private "militias" expect to fight "the government" somewhere -- in the forests, swamps, and hills -- in the sewers and utility-tunnels of the big cities -- in the residential rabbit warrens of suburbia -- until the majority of the population finally comes to its senses and joins them. Or at least the "militias" will survive as guerrilleros, managing to elude extermination or capture.

Such private "militias" exist, and will continue to exist, because they embody the romantic legends that surround Robin Hood, Francis Marion, John Singleton Mosby, Michael Collins, the French Resistance, and the Hungarian freedom fighters. Unfortunately, in any major crisis in the near future they will fail of their purpose, because they will lack sufficient members, supporters, and sympathizers. This, for at least three reasons:

First, these private "militias" enjoy no credible claim to any actual legal authority as "militias." And, absent color of authority, they cannot convince more than a small minority of Americans to participate actively in their operations, or the majority of their countrymen to support them even passively.

Second, these private "militias" tend to recruit their members almost exclusively from one social group: the so-called "gun culture." For this reason, all too many Americans dismiss them as being composed of "extremists," if not worse. Such misconceived disdain is the practical kiss of death for their strategy, because in the classical formulation guerrilleros are the fish, the rest of the people the sea -- and without the sea in which to move, to find nourishment, and to hide from predators, the fish will die.

Third, and worst of all, these private "militias" predicate the necessity for their existence on the conclusion that the American people have already lost the major legal and political battle for liberty. For them, "the Constitution is dead" -- "the government" is separate from, independent of, antagonistic to, and irretrievably the enemy of We the People -- and tyranny cannot be deterred, forestalled, or defeated throughout this country, only feebly resisted here and there.

To characterize this argument as merely erroneous credits it too much. It is pernicious. For the Constitution is absolutely essential to prove what We the People's powers are, and (even more to the point) what the powers of rogue public officials are not -- in particular, that these usurpers and tyrants enjoy no more authority, and should expect no more obedience, than a bag-woman on the streets of New York City. After all, without the Constitution, what legal basis for self-government by We the People must public officials respect? If the honest ones want to claim their offices under the Constitution (as all of them do, at least in form), they must also admit the Constitution's limitations on the powers of those offices. They cannot assert their constitutional powers without abiding by their constitutional disabilities. Therefore, they must concede We the People's supreme authority under the Constitution, too. And as for dishonest, rogue public officials, the Constitution provides We the People with the most efficacious means to suppress their misbehavior, if Americans have the wit, the wisdom, and the will to use it -- the very first step in the process being to affirm that those means are very much alive, not "dead."

[AFPVet]

If you are an able bodied U.S. Citizen, you are a part of the U.S. Militia. Whether or not you decide to train with others is up to you.