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JP2010
07-16-2009, 10:27 AM
http://money.cnn.com/2009/07/16/news/economy/myth_fed_independence.breakingviews/?postversion=2009071611

It's always a red flag when so many economists agree on something. At least 175 of them have signed a petition in support of the U.S. central bank's independence. The Federal Reserve's current autonomy is to some extent illusory anyway. Even so, the very appearance of independence is a virtue worth defending.

The assembled economists worry that early in any recovery the Fed will need to restrict monetary policy to head off inflation -- which is unlikely to be popular politically. Meanwhile, the Obama administration has strengthened the hand of politicians who want greater control of the Fed by suggesting the central bank should get sweeping new powers to regulate systemic risks.

There is some logic to these proposals. But lawmakers wouldn't want such a powerful regulator to be completely outside their control. The administration has already offered a quid pro quo, suggesting the Treasury might have to approve the Fed's decisions to use the emergency bailout powers it has employed on several occasions in the last two years. That in itself could be seen as the beginning of the end of the bank's independence.

Yet it's not really independent, anyway. Its bosses are politically appointed -- though traditionally then left alone to do their jobs. No political appointee is entirely oblivious to the way the Congressional winds are blowing. And the Fed's role in the rescues of financial firms like Bear Stearns and American International Group involved lock-step cooperation with the Treasury and other arms of the executive branch.

It's true that when it comes to monetary policy, the Fed needs to be at least a step removed from day-to-day vote-grabbing because its decisions can be politically inconvenient. But even the half-truth of this type of independence didn't endow the Fed, under Alan Greenspan and then Ben Bernanke, with the foresight to head off the massive bubbles in credit and housing that so spectacularly burst.

Fears about the Fed's decision-making if it gathered new powers are justified. And if they can't be allayed, perhaps a separate systemic regulator is a better idea. Either way, though, there's no escaping the fact that the Fed already acts as an instrument of policy -- and in the politically charged role of lender of last resort.

That said, its credibility and effectiveness still benefit from the helpful fiction of independence. If that's what those economists want to preserve, it may be a rare case in which all of them are right about something.

Conza88
07-16-2009, 10:30 AM
"The standard reply of the Fed and its partisans is that any such measures, however marginal, would encroach on the Fed's "independence from politics" which is invoked as a kind of self-evident absolute. The monetary system is highly important, it is claimed, and therefore the Fed must enjoy absolute independence.

"Independent of politics" has a nice, neat ring to it, and has been a staple of proposals for bureaucratic intervention and power ever since the Progressive Era. Sweeping the streets; control of seaports; regulation of industry; providing social security; these and many other functions of government are held to be "too important" to be subject to the vagaries of political whims. But it is one thing to say that private, or market, activities should be free of government control, and "independent of politics" in that sense. But these are government agencies and operations we are talking about, and to say that government should be "independent of politics" conveys very different implications.

For government, unlike private industry on the market, is not accountable either to stockholders or consumers. Government can only be accountable to the public and to its representatives in the legislature; and if government becomes "independent of politics" it can only mean that that sphere of government becomes an absolute self-perpetuating oligarchy, accountable to no one and never subject to the public's ability to change its personnel or to "throw the rascals out." If no person or group, whether stockholders or voters, can displace a ruling elite, then such an elite becomes more suitable for a dictatorship than for an allegedly democratic country."

The Case Against the Fed - Murray N. Rothbard

malkusm
07-16-2009, 10:36 AM
It's hard to take these "economists" seriously, since what they've advocated for the last century has led to bigger, longer busts than at any point in the history of nations....

Pauliana
07-16-2009, 10:42 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/15/economists-tell-congress_n_234426.html

The letter did little to move Rep. Paul (R-Texas), who's been pushing for broader oversight of the Fed for decades.

"They're doing a bang-up job stabilizing the economy, aren't they? What they call 'independence' we call 'secrecy,'" Paul said. "Throughout its history, the Fed has been a secretive organization that saps the many to benefit the few. 'The many' are now fed up, and expect this kind of protest from the few."

ClayTrainor
07-16-2009, 10:42 AM
It's hard to take these "economists" seriously, since what they've advocated for the last century has led to bigger, longer busts than at any point in the history of nations....

No! The free-market caused it all ;) :p

Pauliana
07-16-2009, 10:51 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/15/economists-tell-congress_n_234426.html

The letter did little to move Rep. Paul (R-Texas), who's been pushing for broader oversight of the Fed for decades.

"They're doing a bang-up job stabilizing the economy, aren't they? What they call 'independence' we call 'secrecy,'" Paul said. "Throughout its history, the Fed has been a secretive organization that saps the many to benefit the few. 'The many' are now fed up, and expect this kind of protest from the few."

BTW, comments on that HuffPo article are really good!

StilesBC
07-16-2009, 12:23 PM
Many of these people are Monetarists. I don't see many notable Keynesians on the list.

Much of them don't like the idea of having congress control monetary policy because they think it will be perpetually "too loose." They may be correct on that. However, the Fed's so-called "independence" has led to the same thing - along with zero transparency. So I think the presence of some of these names has to do more with confusing the people with what it's about.

I don't think it is correct to say that all of these people are "anti 1207" people, but that is how it is being portrayed.

Athan
07-16-2009, 12:33 PM
We should have a list of their names for future reference.

Athan
07-16-2009, 12:34 PM
We should have a list of their names for future reference. Time to discredit these pompous asses for the bullshitting traitors they are.

jclay2
07-16-2009, 12:37 PM
ARE YOU SERIOUS! These guys are scared about the fed becoming to "loose" if there is more oversight of this massive creature? Have they taken a look at the Fed's actions over the last two years? Do they really believe Bernanke will do the politically unpopular thing and sell 800 billion in treasuries and mortgage backed securities. Fools.