6 countries uniting to break Russian gas monopoly

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/2009/07/13/6-countries-uniting-to-break-russian-gas-monopoly/

and guess who is backing them up?
Yours Truly

Here comes WW3 :rolleyes:

[libertarian4321]

What's the big deal?

A consortium is proposing an alternative pipeline. The thing has been planned since 2002.

So?

[Imperial]

Is this in Europe?

We've been trying to force this for years. Certain countries always find it profitable to stick with Russia. Germany sometimes, Austria others. Derails the attempt.

[tangent4ronpaul]

http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/2009/07/13/6-countries-uniting-to-break-russian-gas-monopoly/

and guess who is backing them up?
Yours Truly

Here comes WW3 :rolleyes:

http://events.ccc.de/congress/2007/Fahrplan/attachments/1052_hacking_scada.pdf
(page 46)

Thomas C. Reed, Ronald Regan’s Secretary, described in his book “At the
abyss” how the U.S. arranged for the Soviets to receive intentionally
flawed SCADA software to manage their natural gas pipelines.
"The pipeline software that was to run the pumps, turbines, and values
was programmed to go haywire, after a decent interval, to reset pump
speeds and valve settings to produce pressures far beyond those
acceptable to pipeline joints and welds."
A 3 kiloton explosion was the result, in 1982 in Siberia.
http://www.themoscowtimes.ru/stories/2004/03/18/014.html

-t

[tangent4ronpaul]

http://events.ccc.de/congress/2007/Fahrplan/attachments/1052_hacking_scada.pdf
(page 46)

Thomas C. Reed, Ronald Regan’s Secretary, described in his book “At the
abyss” how the U.S. arranged for the Soviets to receive intentionally
flawed SCADA software to manage their natural gas pipelines.
"The pipeline software that was to run the pumps, turbines, and values
was programmed to go haywire, after a decent interval, to reset pump
speeds and valve settings to produce pressures far beyond those
acceptable to pipeline joints and welds."
A 3 kiloton explosion was the result, in 1982 in Siberia.
http://www.themoscowtimes.ru/stories/2004/03/18/014.html

-t

https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/csi-studies/studies/96unclass/farewell.htm

[...]
A few alert colleagues were dispersed among the executive departments. In one episode, the Department of Commerce discovered a Line X effort to obtain an embargoed computer through a dummy corporation set up for this one transaction;officials intercepted the shipping container and substituted sandbags. (A note was enclosed, but it would not be politically correct to quote it.) In 1975, the Apollo-Soyuz spacecraft docking was used to gain intelligence access to the US space program.
[...]
With the Farewell reporting, CIA had the Line X shopping list for still-needed technology, and with the list American intelligence might be able to control for its purposes at least part of Line X's collection, that is, turn the tables on the KGB and conduct economic warfare of our own.

I met with Director of Central Intelligence William Casey on an afternoon in January 1982. I proposed using the Farewell material to feed or play back the products sought by Line X, but these would come from our own sources and would have been ''improved," that is, designed so that on arrival in the Soviet Union they would appear genuine but would later fail. US intelligence would match Line X requirements supplied through Vetrov with our version of those items, ones that would hardly meet the expectations of that vast Soviet apparatus deployed to collect them.

If some double agent told the KGB the Americans were alert to Line X and were interfering with their collection by subverting, if not sabotaging, the effort, I believed the United States still could not lose. The Soviets, being a suspicious lot, would be likely to question and reject everything Line X collected. If so, this would be a rarity in the world of espionage, an operation that would succeed even if compromised. Casey liked the proposal.

A Deception Operation

As was later reported in Aviation Week and Space Technology, CIA and the Defense Department, in partnership with the FBI, set up a program to do just what we had discussed: modified products were devised and "made available" to Line X collection channels. The CIA project leader and his associates studied the Farewell material, examined export license applications and other intelligence, and contrived to introduce altered products into KGB collection. American industry helped in the preparation of items to be "marketed" to Line X. Contrived computer chips found their way into Soviet military equipment, flawed turbines were installed on a gas pipeline, and defective plans disrupted the output of chemical plants and a tractor factory. The Pentagon introduced misleading information pertinent to stealth aircraft, space defense, and tactical aircraft.(4) The Soviet Space Shuttle was a rejected NASA design.(5) When Casey told President Reagan of the undertaking, the latter was enthusiastic.
[...]

[tangent4ronpaul]

Note that France, China and Israel consider industrial espionage prime aspects of their R&D programs, as does Russia, after their siesta from the cold war. They find it most cost effective to steal out military, etc. R&D.

The operation mentioned above had as much to do with "ending" the cold war as "star wars" did. Pay attention to the real history.

This is a prime vulnerability we have as an open society. When we put in the Titan missile silos - the engineering firms bragged about it in journals and provided details. Firms that sell SCADA hardware and software and hardware brag about their customer lists. These things make us VERY vulnerable!

That we rely on private contractors who's hiring practices and loyalties may not be in our best interests for critical infrastructure projects hurts us.

There was the purchase of a precision bearing plant by China on the condition that it stayed in the USA. Post purchase the entire plant was moved to China. These are critical for one method of navigation of cruise missile as well as instruments in fighters. There is an ongoing war that most in this country have no idea of it's existence.

/vent

-t

[Pod]

What I want to know is who is going to fill this pipeline? Where will the gas come from?

It obviously wont come from Russia, or from Iran and possibly wont come from any central asian states under Russian influence (Kazakstan).

Here is where the need for all the regime changes comes in.

[tangent4ronpaul]

http://www.roconsulboston.com/Media/Business/OilRoutesLg.jpg
http://www.roconsulboston.com/Media/Business/EUOilMapLg.jpg
http://www.roconsulboston.com/Media/Business/EUGasMapLg.jpg
http://www.roconsulboston.com/Media/Business/RoItalyPipeMapLg.jpg[
http://www.roconsulboston.com/Media/Maps/NabuccoRte.jpg

The proposed Nabucco pipeline is to run from Turkey’s eastern border, through Bulgaria, Romania and Hungary, to a key gas terminal in Baumgarten, Austria.

Short answer - Georgia and Iran

-t

[tangent4ronpaul]

http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=s&hl=en&q=georgia+country+map&um=1&ie=UTF-8&split=0&gl=us&ei=f5ZgSsbzKKCEtgfR9dnEDA&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1

[jkr]

looks like some sick crazy straw, sucking the life & resources out of
a

distant


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