MSNBC: Maddow Says Opposition to Sotomayor “Is Substantially about Race”

[Steeleye]

Maddow casually dismissed each of these items as the fabrication of white racists who would, if given a chance, deny nonwhites any access to the levers of power in American government. Her assertions, however, wither in the face of closer scrutiny

http://newsrealblog.com/2009/07/13/msnbc/

Do we still like her on this forum?

[0zzy]

http://newsrealblog.com/2009/07/13/msnbc/

Do we still like her on this forum?

Are you alluding that this forum subscribes to the belief that there is only black and white, wrong or right?

[Objectivist]

Yeah, her view on race is the issue.

La Raza means what?

[Objectivist]

This is how fucked up this country is, while reading Sotomayor's wiki page I got down to a name that jumped the fuck out at me "Robert Morganthau"... DO you people know who he is? He's related to the father of NEW DEAL Henry Morganthau Jr. former Treasury Secretary to FDR. The family that has it's hands in our pockets going back to the formation of the Federal Reserve. She knows him and I think it said she worked for him. This country is fucked and so are you and I.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Morgenthau

[Steeleye]

Are you alluding that this forum subscribes to the belief that there is only black and white, wrong or right?

Are was alluding to another thread discussing Maddow calling out Obama on his abuses of civil liberties where some members had nothing but high praises for her. It seems a number on this forum can't bring themselves to criticize socialists who agree with them on one or two issues, i.e. Dennis Kucinich, Bernie Sanders, but who can so easily savagely attack, politically and personally, someone who agrees with us more often than not, say, Sarah Palin.


This is how fucked up this country is, while reading Sotomayor's wiki page I got down to a name that jumped the fuck out at me "Robert Morganthau"... DO you people know who he is? He's related to the father of NEW DEAL Henry Morganthau Jr. former Treasury Secretary to FDR. The family that has it's hands in our pockets going back to the formation of the Federal Reserve. She knows him and I think it said she worked for him. This country is fucked and so are you and I.

Jesus Christ, he looks like a vampire.

[Objectivist]

Yeah he hired her, now read on people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Morgenthau,_Sr.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Morgenthau,_Jr.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Morgenthau
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonia_Sotomayor

[jsu718]

This thread needs a do-over. In the world of reality, it should have read...
Maddow Says Opposition to Sotomayor “Is substantially about people opposing racists”


Maddow casually dismissed each of these items as the fabrication of white anti-racists who would, if given a chance, deny racist non-whites any access to the levers of power in American government. Her assertions, however, stand the test of evidence and logic

[Objectivist]

Yeah he hired her, now read on people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Morgenthau,_Sr.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Morgenthau,_Jr.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Morgenthau
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonia_Sotomayor

[messana]

http://newsrealblog.com/2009/07/13/msnbc/

Do we still like her on this forum?

Is it wrong of her (or other msm personalities for that matter) to share one or two of the same views that we do?

[0zzy]

What I mean to say is,

can we not work together on issues we agree on, and debate intelligently the ones we don't? Or should we cast away any ties with the likes of Maddow and Kucinich.

[Steeleye]

What I mean to say is,

can we not work together on issues we agree on, and debate intelligently the ones we don't? Or should we cast away any ties with the likes of Maddow and Kucinich.

We can and we should. But no one here seems to take that into consideration when it comes to Palin.

[paulitics]

We can and we should. But no one here seems to take that into consideration when it comes to Palin.

To be honest I want to like her, and she may similar to a Sanford in some views. But, where is her heart at? That is what I want to know. She came across as a major sellout during the campaign, one that supported big government at home and abroad. If she changes her rhetoric today, why should I trust her this time?

It's the duplicitous snakes I am most critical of. George W Bush, Reagan, Romney, Fred Thompson, Rick Perry, your average neocon radio show host. I have less of a problem with those who admit they are for big government like Olbermann, Maddow, Kucinich. At least you know where they truly stand.

The neoconnes are for very big and powerful government, and try to claim otherwise. For this, they deserve more criticism, because they fool more people by mixing truth with their B.S. How hard is it to deprogram someone who thinks pre-emptive war, and the patriot act, and homeland security is conservtive?

[moostraks]

Are was alluding to another thread discussing Maddow calling out Obama on his abuses of civil liberties where some members had nothing but high praises for her. It seems a number on this forum can't bring themselves to criticize socialists who agree with them on one or two issues, i.e. Dennis Kucinich, Bernie Sanders, but who can so easily savagely attack, politically and personally, someone who agrees with us more often than not, say, Sarah Palin.

Stop collectivizing, I for one have virtually nothing in common with an opportunist like Sarah Palin the war monger and her neo-con friends. I am not to aware of Maddow other than what I see here, and while I disagree with Kucinich on many (posibbly most) policy issues at least he is forthright about his stance on the matters which is more than you can say for most politicians.

[speciallyblend]

she is correct. the fact is the republicans have already looked her over on other appointments. this is a losing battle for republicans and will only alienate the GOP from Latino voters. i encourage the GOP to question her and rake her over the coals again and again. this will help sink the GOP further! this is good! anything to help the GOP sink faster so we can RECLAIM THE PARTY OR KILL IT. OOPS CAPS

the GOP will only alienate more voters by wasting our time. this woman has been approved by GOP on several occasions already. the idea they haven't looked over her record enough is a flat out lie!

i encourage Rachel Maddow to keep calling the BS out on the GOP!

the GOP deserves everything they are getting or does everyone forget the corruption in GOP primaries??

[speciallyblend]

We can and we should. But no one here seems to take that into consideration when it comes to Palin.

that is because we all see the corruption in the gop for what it is. the gop problem is the corrupt leaders!

if dennis and rachel were republicans then i would hold their feet to the fire just like palin! they are not responsible for the flatout corruption in the gop leaders!

i view the gop as the new version of the mob! the gop leaders are judged by their actions. they are pathetic!

i do not align myself with the devil or evil and to me at least half if not more of the gop are flatout evil lying mobsters! God gave me a brain and my brain tells me the gop is full of evil folks and i could classify over 70%(+ or - 10-20%) of gop leaders as evil in my eyes for supporting evil/corrupt(neo-cons)!

until the gop wakes up i view them as mobsters in politics! rename the gop ,the mob!

[Munier1]

How does the GOP being run like the mafia differ from the way the Democratic Party is run?

If you realize that it is NOT different, then you should understand that we actually do need to hold Maddow and Dennis K accountable (although, I'm not sure Dennis K is really a huge player in the DNC establishment, which might vindicate him). Very little leads to me to believe that both parties are not completely corrupt, disrespectful to the Constitution, and destructive to the public. Anyone who thinks the Democrats are innocent clearly has a very short memory.

[HOLLYWOOD]

Yeah he hired her, now read on people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Morgenthau,_Sr (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Morgenthau,_Sr).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Morgenthau,_Jr (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Morgenthau,_Jr).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Morgenthau (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Morgenthau)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonia_Sotomayor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonia_Sotomayor)


Here's a nice hit piece on Morgenthau Jr... comment are good too...

http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/09/from-irgun-to-aipac-israel-lobbys-us-treasury-follies-hurt/ (http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/09/from-irgun-to-aipac-israel-lobbys-us-treasury-follies-hurt/)

Let's see The Racist "World Zionists Organization" and the Latina "La Raza". yeah I wonder what they have in common.

Politics are filthy dirty business even with the Judicial branch. I wonder if anyone on the confirmation hearing will question every Sotomayor case on it's US Constitutionality, which she herself is the ruling factor. I doesn't appear to be the case and anyone who questions a hispanic female is a racist?

What a crock of BS.

[angelatc]

Maddow is right, but Sotamayor played the card by hinting she would tip the scales of justice to favor minorities and low income plaintiffs.

Not to mention that Obama and the media continue to point out that she's Hispanic for no apparent reason.

[angelatc]

It seems a number on this forum can't bring themselves to criticize socialists who agree with them on one or two issues, i.e. Dennis Kucinich, Bernie Sanders, but who can so easily savagely attack, politically and personally, someone who agrees with us more often than not, say, Sarah Palin.



That's just the way it is around here. If everybody in politics was a pure as the Ron Paul Republicans, we'd have at least 8 or 9 parties to pick from.

[gls]

Maddow Says Opposition to Sotomayor “Is substantially about people opposing racists”

+1

Obviously Maddow is one of those idiots who thinks that white people are the only ones of capable of being racist.

[RM918]

You can agree with a person on a particular point without agreeing with everything that person thinks.

As to Palin, I really can't think why /anyone/ here would support her given she was McCain's VP pick, and has only proven she shares all his policies. What's the difference?

Take the fact she's a woman, take the fact she's from Alaska, throw them away and imagine her as a similarly-aged white guy from Wisconsin. Are you still impressed? Taking the personality away and focusing on the issues, as one should, what is her difference with McCain?

[Imperial]

This is how fucked up this country is, while reading Sotomayor's wiki page I got down to a name that jumped the fuck out at me "Robert Morganthau"... DO you people know who he is?


He's related

One


to the father

Two


of NEW DEAL Henry Morganthau Jr. former Treasury Secretary to FDR.

Three to the actual guy


. She knows him and I think it said she worked for him.

And only worked for him.

So let me get this straight. She worked for a man who is related to the father of a Treasury Secretary 80 years ago who didn't have the best ideas. That's not a guild by association at all...


This country is fucked and so are you and I. Sounds like hyperbole

[fedup100]

About race, well I guess it damn sure is. Quit pussy footing, it's time to say NO!!

She is a card carrying LaRaza bitch and they are responsible for the invasion. This is insanity to allow this usurper in chief who is not a citizen and is now compromising national security to be allowed to appoint this "THING" to the supreme court.

I want his hands tied from all appt's etc until this case about his eligibility is finished!

The results of some of her ilks handy work is listed below:


From the L. A. Times

1. 40% of all workers in L. A. County ( L. A. County has 10.2 million people)are working for cash and not paying taxes.
This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants working without a green card.

2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.

4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal , whose births were paid for by taxpayers.

5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.

7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.

8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.

9. 21 radio stations in L. A. Are Spanish speaking.

10. In L. A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish.
(There are 10.2 million people in L. A. County )

(All 10 of the above are from the Los Angeles Times)

Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare.

Over 70% of the United States ' annual population growth (and over 90% of California , Florida , and New York )
results from immigration.

29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.

We are a bunch of fools for letting this continue

This is only one State...............

[Steeleye]

You can agree with a person on a particular point without agreeing with everything that person thinks.

As to Palin, I really can't think why /anyone/ here would support her given she was McCain's VP pick, and has only proven she shares all his policies. What's the difference?

Take the fact she's a woman, take the fact she's from Alaska, throw them away and imagine her as a similarly-aged white guy from Wisconsin. Are you still impressed? Taking the personality away and focusing on the issues, as one should, what is her difference with McCain?

I was simply asking why she's attacked with such vitriol and hatred while Kucinich get's 15 page long threads about why he shouldn't be bashed and Bernie Sanders is getting votes in polls that people would actually campaign for him, all because they're "principled" and "honest".


About race, well I guess it damn sure is. Quit pussy footing, it's time to say NO!!

She is a card carrying LaRaza bitch and they are responsible for the invasion. This is insanity to allow this usurper in chief who is not a citizen and is now compromising national security to be allowed to appoint this "THING" to the supreme court.

Quit being such a typical, unwise white man.

[Agent CSL]

In every photo I've seen of her, she has looked white to me. People who play the race card are pathetic.

[Steeleye]

In every photo I've seen of her, she has looked white to me. People who play the race card are pathetic.

But it's the way you say her name: So-DO-my-ooorrrrrrrrrr!

[Brian4Liberty]

There are reasons that have nothing to do with race. Why is Ginsburg breaking tradition to lobby for Sotomayor?:

YouTube - Glenn Beck Clips 07-09-09 Justice Ginsburg Defies Unwritten Rule and Praises Sotomayer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEbeeXRoNUM)

[Brian4Liberty]

- It is wrong to oppose Sotomayor because she is Hispanic or female.
- It is just as wrong to support her solely for the same reasons.

[literatim]

If you are white and you oppose someone of color, it is instantly about race and you are instantly racist.

[Objectivist]

If you are white and you oppose someone of color, it is instantly about race and you are instantly racist.

I was raised by a black man, does that apply to me?

[Nirvikalpa]

- It is wrong to oppose Sotomayor because she is Hispanic or female.
- It is just as wrong to support her solely for the same reasons.

ding ding ding!

[Kraig]

But is it really wrong or just foolish? Why is it wrong?

[Brian4Liberty]

But is it really wrong or just foolish? Why is it wrong?

That is if you believe in Meritocracy... ;)

[Objectivist]

I was asking the question, why is it important to know she is being reported as the first hispanic Justice if equality was the desire of the LPDs.

Then I found this guy in the Justice woodpile.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_N._Cardozo

[Kraig]

That is if you believe in Meritocracy... ;)

You didn't answer either of my questions, and I don't know what "meritocracy" is.

[Brian4Liberty]

You didn't answer either of my questions, and I don't know what "meritocracy" is.

It is in opposition to individual merit and qualifications. It is also used a red herring, to distract from more important issues.


Meritocracy is a system of a government or other organization wherein appointments are made and responsibilities are given based on demonstrated talent and ability (merit), rather than by wealth (plutocracy), family connections (nepotism), class privilege (oligarchy), friends (cronyism), seniority (gerontocracy), popularity (as in democracy) or other historical determinants of social position and political power. In a meritocracy, society rewards (by wealth, position, and social status) those who show talent and competence as demonstrated by past actions or by competition.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meritocracy

[Brian4Liberty]

I was asking the question, why is it important to know she is being reported as the first hispanic Justice if equality was the desire of the LPDs.

Then I found this guy in the Justice woodpile.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_N._Cardozo

Holy shit! The poor guy was abused! ;)


One of his tutors was Horatio Alger.

[speciallyblend]

How does the GOP being run like the mafia differ from the way the Democratic Party is run?

If you realize that it is NOT different, then you should understand that we actually do need to hold Maddow and Dennis K accountable (although, I'm not sure Dennis K is really a huge player in the DNC establishment, which might vindicate him). Very little leads to me to believe that both parties are not completely corrupt, disrespectful to the Constitution, and destructive to the public. Anyone who thinks the Democrats are innocent clearly has a very short memory.

well im a republican. until i am a registered democrat. they are no concern to me in fixing the gop. but if you like endorsing republicans just because there are democrats out there. then you can not complain when gop leadership does nothing . if your voting for republicans out of fear of democrats. then you deserve the neo-con republican platform!


your concern should be solely in reforming the gop! the democrats have nothing to do with the corrupt gop leaders!

i like rachel maddow . i hope she continues to call out the bs of the gop!

she has more credibility then the gop in my eyes. is that rachels fault? hell no. the gop problem is the gop's problem. rachel and the dems andc others have nothing to do with the failed gop!
i am only voting for ron paul democrats. i cannot help it if the colorado gop is not supporting ron paul republicans. if the gop wants to keep shrinking. then i guess ron paul republicans will keep running as ron paul dems in colorado! sounds to me like the cogop and the gop has major problems and rachel dennis and the dems have nothing to do with it. the blame is with the gop not the dnc for the gop's problems. look within!

maybe if the gop had listened to the ron paul republicans .the gop wouldn't be where they deserve ,the bottom! the fact is after 8 yrs of bush. the gop has 0 trust or credibility on any issue!

rachel maddows story is pretty spot on in my eyes! we have some purging to do in the gop and if we fail. then we let the gop fail and form a new coalition! that is politics!

[Munier1]

Yes, I am a registered Republican as well with the hopes of reforming the GOP by voting for folks like Ron Paul in the primaries. Beyond that, I try to ignore our ridiculous party system as much as possible.

Rachel Maddow is certainly a step up from Keith Olbermann since she does occasionally bring up good points that are not just anchored in partisan vitriol. Nevertheless, I feel like she's part of a different mob institution altogether, MSNBC.

Most of the time I think fixing these parties (including the Libertarian Party for that matter) is an exercise in futility. They are, after all, collectivist apparatuses (as all groups are). I would much rather try to win the minds of one individual at a time, hoping that it will eventually add up to equal a sizable movement. That's why I like to go on my university's college radio station and shout out the freedom messages. Someone's bound to hear it on accident.