One hell of a thesis about the Red Pill

[devil21]

http://www.oftwominds.com/survival-plus1.html

It's long but it's a must read. Probably the clearest and best laid out explanation of TPTB, why things are the way they are, and how to go about fixing them, that I've ever had the priviledge to read. Nothing else even comes close. Share it around. You may even wake some people up.

EDIT: The thread title kinda sucks but I had a hard time coming up with something to describe it and draw attention to this paper.

[stilltrying]

I read through the first half. It was decent in my opinion but really pushed against capitalism, so if not capitalism then what "Socialism". The big factor that this thesis completely leaves out in my opinion is fiat currency and a central private bank which creates and controls this currency. And the thesis leaves out free market, yea it talks about free market but how can there be a free market when currency is forced by gun and laws are regulating free market, not very free then eh.

Take away credit from fiat currency and you would see most of americas problems disappear. People would actually know what there money is worth. The list of questions I have for this thesis is way too long for me to type out. Maybe others will give it a shot. This thesis has an agenda too.

[devil21]

I read through the first half. It was decent in my opinion but really pushed against capitalism, so if not capitalism then what "Socialism".

I didnt get that feeling at all. I thought the author was pushing against today's corrupt crony capitalism/soft fascism, ie Goldman Sachs CEOs running the US Treasury Dept. He does essentially state that the "free market" has flaws but I doubt anyone can claim it *is* perfect. Nevermind that none of us have ever even seen a real "free market". His explanations make perfect sense IMHO.

Regardless, the author lays out the ruling class agenda and the psychology of it all extremely well.

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

Well, he's fucking stupid if he thinks we're running out of oil. Peak Oil is bullshit and we're living with Enforced Artificial Scarcity. We have more cheap oil perfectly capable of being cheaply extracted not only within the Continental US, but also on our shorelines and in Alaska.

Edit: There is also the fact that there is enough Radiant Energy to electrify the entire planet. However, its usage has languished for almost a century now due to various factors, not the least of which are the scumbag 'energy cartel' that is but one tentacle of the Banking Cartel.

[devil21]

OK so what about 60 years from now? Oil won't last forever. I think you miss the entire point of the thesis but ok. Though I doubt you read anything past what you disagreed with and immediately went to a state of close-mindedness. He explains your thought process too. Anywy, arguing whether oil will or won't run out during your lifetime is a fool's argument. Does it really matter who's lifetime it runs out in? Doubtful. It will run out eventually since it is a finite resource. The author also points out that solar power and wind power and pretty much every other "alternative" energy source currently known is simply not enough to generate the power that today's modern society requires. That's only a tiny portion of 140 pages so keep reading.

[tangent4ronpaul]

We are about 10 years out from being able to commercially convert CO2 from exhaust gas to liquid fuel.

We have about 100 years left of POL reserves.

Someone will discover Tesla's notebooks or recreate the research in that time and utilize gravity and electromagnetic fields to create energy.

The sun will eventually burn out, but by that time we won't need it - other than a gravity sink.

The sky really isn't falling - stop freaking out.

-t

[CCTelander]

OK so what about 60 years from now? Oil won't last forever.

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Actually, it seems quite possible that oil WILL last forever, at least according to Thomas Gold. Check these out:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig5/crispin8.html

http://www.semp.us/publications/biot_reader.php?BiotID=182

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=13380

Interesting reading if nothing else.

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

OK so what about 60 years from now? Oil won't last forever. I think you miss the entire point of the thesis but ok. Though I doubt you read anything past what you disagreed with and immediately went to a state of close-mindedness. He explains your thought process too. Anywy, arguing whether oil will or won't run out during your lifetime is a fool's argument. Does it really matter who's lifetime it runs out in? Doubtful. It will run out eventually since it is a finite resource.

Its finite in the sense that the Earth is finite. Its a renewing source since its simply methane put under pressure and heat and turned into hydrocarbon goo. The SAME fucking hydrocarbon goo that has been found in massive quantities on Saturn's moon of Titan. Dead dino's it ain't.


The author also points out that solar power and wind power and pretty much every other "alternative" energy source currently known is simply not enough to generate the power that today's modern society requires.

Tesla's 'radiant energy' is from the electromagnetism inherent in the plasma fields throughout our solar system. The visible universe is made up of 99.9% plasma, that is electrically active. The only reason we have not thrown off the power companies and their interests is mostly because of our government.

[devil21]

Ugh. I think Im arguing points with people that read about 10 minutes worth of 140 pages. Seriously, read the whole thing then get back to me.



Meanwhile, the middle class productive taxpayer has less at stake; just another junk fee to pay, just another 10% surtax, etc. Pressed by the demands of commute, career, debt, family, etc., the productive citizen has little or no time or energy for a protracted political battle. So the Elite, the state and its beneficiaries will always win.

But what neither the State, nor its public employees or its beneficiaries of government largesse understand is that by denying the middle class some respite and some stake in the political division of the tax revenues, they are insuring the middle class will eventually opt out and let the system collapse. It will simply not be worth the cost or the effort to maintain these top-heavy, high-cost institutions.

Another irony is that the Plutocracy and the State will attempt to define the battle as "preserving our institutions" and "our middle class entitlements."

Sadly, truthfulness plays little role in this structural political battle. We might ask: if the middle class was garnering such stupendous entitlements and benefits, then why are they so stressed, so unhappy, so burdened and so alienated, not just from their State but from themselves? Having been promised free expression and individual liberty, they find instead that they are essentially debt-serfs, working either to pay off debt owed to the Manor Houses of the Plutocracy or crushing taxes and junk fees owed to the State.

Some of this can be attributed to structural changes in the very nature of post-industrial work (see "End of Work"), but much can be laid on the divergence of the interests of the State and the Plutocracy from the interests of the middle class which supports them.

So deep is the alienation and confusion that the middle class citizen, anxiety-ridden, staggering beneath worrisome debt and an ever-rising workload, popping countless bottles of psychotropic prescription drugs to maintain a semblance of "normalcy," blames their own inadequacies for their deep unhappiness and inability to bear the burdens imposed by the broken social contract.

Indeed, opting out isn't just the best choice for many; it may be the only choice that enables sanity and a return to free individual expression. Once you're distracted by debt and overwork, you lose track of what's been lost.

As always, we must ask: cui bono? To whose benefit? Certainly not the unhappy debt-serf. Yet so powerful are the simulacrum of democracy, prosperity, etc., many believe they are indeed working for their own goals and glory. But if this were true, why are they so unhappy, so burdened, so alienated and so perplexed by their own unhappiness? Would anyone choose this if they were truly acting on their own behalf?


Sheeple mentality and what it leads to explained clearly. I didn't post this link to go through a bit by bit idealogical debate with people still stuck in propaganda battles or left/right "Drill Baby Drill" nonsense. Im continually amazed at how few people overall get the big picture.

Tesla notebooks will conquer the energy needs of 6.5 billion and growing world population? Seriously? We really are fucked arent we....

[Stary Hickory]

OK so what about 60 years from now? Oil won't last forever. I think you miss the entire point of the thesis but ok. Though I doubt you read anything past what you disagreed with and immediately went to a state of close-mindedness. He explains your thought process too. Anywy, arguing whether oil will or won't run out during your lifetime is a fool's argument. Does it really matter who's lifetime it runs out in? Doubtful. It will run out eventually since it is a finite resource. The author also points out that solar power and wind power and pretty much every other "alternative" energy source currently known is simply not enough to generate the power that today's modern society requires. That's only a tiny portion of 140 pages so keep reading.

Listen, Oil will run out, but we will still have energy. Let the market work, sit back, relax, and quit worryign about it. As oil gets scarce prices will go up, and alternative sources of energy will become more attractive, and their development will take place. It's like everything else, it will take care of itself. The world is lterally made up of energy and matter, mankind will find all it needs.

[moostraks]

OK so what about 60 years from now? Oil won't last forever. I think you miss the entire point of the thesis but ok. Though I doubt you read anything past what you disagreed with and immediately went to a state of close-mindedness. He explains your thought process too. Anywy, arguing whether oil will or won't run out during your lifetime is a fool's argument. Does it really matter who's lifetime it runs out in? Doubtful. It will run out eventually since it is a finite resource. The author also points out that solar power and wind power and pretty much every other "alternative" energy source currently known is simply not enough to generate the power that today's modern society requires. That's only a tiny portion of 140 pages so keep reading.

Arguments on peak oil are very intrinsic to how you can view this article. If you don't buy into the theory of peak oil then from there how can you trust the reputation of the author, as he hangs a great deal of weight on this issue in his opening argument.

Furthermore, I recall a group of guys, I believe in Atlanta, who had found oil excreting bacteria back when this oil war in Iraq started. Surprise, surprise, it has not been a big hit. Was going to find something on it this morning but I don't have the time to sift through reams of information on google to locate. and it wouldn't surprise me if this information is buried. I remember being shocked at the fact I heard this in msm at the time as it flew in the face of peak oil and quite possibly the fossil fuel theory. Argue amongst yourselves on that one, as I am not incredibly interested in hashing this issue out with anyone...

Anyways, I tried to get through this when you posted it last night, but duties called and I only made it through the beginning section, but came away with the feeling he was a greenie with an attitude and had formed his thesis based upon his sincerely held beliefs and all information he had gathered to validate this stance. More power to him, but I have a tendency to put more weight on those who are reformed believers of another stance who have come to see the "light".

The author has a slightly amusing way of seeing things even if he is a bit hostile towards the situation, and I will give the article/book the benefit of drawing together some beneficial information for the long haul. I, too, wonder about the point of survivalist isolationism being a rational answer and so I am willing to see it through and use what I can. Thanks for posting the article!:D

[Jags~Beach]

Someone will discover Tesla's notebooks or recreate the research in that time and utilize gravity and electromagnetic fields to create energy,

All you need is a huge speaker to act as a hammock to lay on, glass of water, and the right song and you can travel anywhere...:D

Oil is not the answer, it is only a stepping stone to take us to the next advancement in science. Is it not obvious how primitive refining and drilling for oil is by now?

We are already releasing and urning hydrogen from salt water by using a mere radio frequency.

humanity needs to wake up to the reality of how Oil is the problem not the answer.

[moostraks]

I am through chapter 2 and not so bad. I may not essentially agree with all his views (ie peak oil) but he has tptb issue nailed to a T. He also has the ensuing apathy plaguing the productive nailed as well...

Will keep reading as time permits. Hope others give it a chance even if you don't necessarily agree with everything, rarely will two people see things exactly the same.

[Kraig]

If people are really worried about running out of oil, they should study physics and start developing alternatives.

But noooooooooooooooo all they do is pretend to care and look for some politician who is going to fix it for them.

[devil21]

I am through chapter 2 and not so bad. I may not essentially agree with all his views (ie peak oil) but he has tptb issue nailed to a T. He also has the ensuing apathy plaguing the productive nailed as well...

Will keep reading as time permits. Hope others give it a chance even if you don't necessarily agree with everything, rarely will two people see things exactly the same.

Thank you. Seemed like a single paragraph about the author's personal beliefs on peak oil were picked out as a point to argue, which totally misses the point of entire thesis. It must be read in entirety. One short blurb about peak oil (which tends to be a partisan issue anyway) is inconsequential when the entire thesis is taken in. I still advise everyone to read it, even if you disagree on a point here and there. There's much more insight to be gained than yet another peak oil discussion.

[BenIsForRon]

Devil21, ignorance about peak oil permeates these forums, so don't worry that you might be wrong on that. We are either past peak oil or very close to it. It is definitely made of biological material, i.e. trees, plants, dinosaurs. Those who think otherwise are either listening to Sovient scientists from the 60's or modern pseudo-scientists. They're certainly not listening to geologists.

Ignorance of these simple facts really make me want to leave this forum, but I'm hoping some of the common sense folk will stay around.

[devil21]

Listen, Oil will run out, but we will still have energy. Let the market work, sit back, relax, and quit worryign about it. As oil gets scarce prices will go up, and alternative sources of energy will become more attractive, and their development will take place. It's like everything else, it will take care of itself. The world is lterally made up of energy and matter, mankind will find all it needs.

You in particular need to read the entire thesis. The author goes into great detail about the Complacency and Fatalistic complexes that your post exhibits. It's kind of funny and ironic actually.

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

It is definitely made of biological material, i.e. trees, plants, dinosaurs. Those who think otherwise are either listening to Sovient scientists from the 60's or modern pseudo-scientists. They're certainly not listening to geologists.

Then where the fuck did all those dead dinosaurs come from that moved to Titan? The Cassini Probe found a LAKE of hydrocarbon that was larger than all known reserves on the planet earth. The formation of oil is a naturally occuring process that happens in the Earth's mantle. Your belief in a goddamn 3 century old theory that has never once been falsified is commendable. The simple fact is that oil is artificially scarce due to the monopolistic nature of our economy.

[BenIsForRon]

Those hydrocarbon lakes exist on the surface of Titan because it's so damn cold, you dumbass. That's right, I'm declaring you a dumbass, based on the substantial evidence I've gathered from your posts on this forum.

http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/news/2109/ethane-lake-finally-confirmed-titan

[devil21]

Keep it on topic please. I really think there's a lot of knowledge to gained from this author's writings and I dont want it hijacked or closed due to personal attacks. Read the thesis and discuss the important contents please.

[devil21]

Since I imagine that very few will read the entire thesis from beginning to end, I thought why not post selections for people to read and discuss, that will maybe prompt a full reading? Yes, I think it is really that good.



10. Growth Via Credit Trap. In a previous incarnation of capitalism, wage earners were encouraged to save money, thus creating pent-up demand for products and a pool of capital which could be lent to private enterprises.

In the current incarnation of neoliberal capitalism, consumption requires ever greater borrowing and debt to sustain ever more marginal growth. Due to Saturation Traps, basic needs are oversupplied in advanced economies (d21: entire cereal aisle in the grocery store!), and thus ever more marginal demand must be manufactured via marketing and low-cost credit. "Growth" in GDP has thus become entirely dependent not on savings and what I call organic demand but on marketing and debt-based consumption.

But as demand and sales rely to an ever-greater extent on ever-increasing borrowing and debt, the trap opens: any reduction in borrowing will cause a near-collapse in demand as the simulacrum of demand falls to organic demand--a level far below what is needed to sustain "growth"as measured in production and consumption.

This trap deepens with every State attempt to prod the over-indebted and over-indulged consumer (once a proud citizen, now nothing but a debt-serf "consumer") into further borrow-and-spend binges; like all alcoholic/addictive-type traps, this cycle of ever more extreme State stimulus-funded-by-debt campaigns has only one end-state: self-destruction.