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Jags~Beach

07-07-2009, 10:14 AM

Validating investor fears about the economy, an Obama economic adviser suggested that a second round of stimulus may be needed.

"Talk of a new stimulus plan is actually a confidence killer," Joseph Battipaglia, market strategist at Stifel Nicolaus, told Reuters. "That would mean we've added a trillion dollars to debt without anything to show for it."

Adding to investor concerns, a report showed consumer credit-card debt hit an all-time high in the first quarter.

President Obama clarified remarks made by VP Joe Biden over the weekend that the administration "misread" the economic situation.

"[R]ather than say misread, we had incomplete information," Obama said. Coming into office in January, the administration didn't have the first-quarter numbers, the president explained. Those numbers showed that the economic erosion "was happening much more rapidly at an accelerated pace than the projections out there at the time," he said.

Obama is not clarifying Biden he is dismissing what he said 3 times with a bunch of spin aimed to keep us in confusion with his lies. We came in January 20th?

Pulease all the doom and gloom talk about what would happen if we did not sign on to a stimulous package to hear this smug comment about how the info was incomplete at the time and how it was worse than we thought? Stocks Slide as Worries About Economy Rise (http://www.cnbc.com/id/31778324)

When do we ever have complete information? Never... The information is like a vocano spewing out continuously, you use the information you have and make the best sound judgment based on it, playing the information was incomplete card while also playing the we came in January 20th is BS as well considering Obama was a Senator who was in long before January 20th, fact is it was during his tenure as senator that the brown stuff hit the twirly thing.

Obama is once again aiming to scape goat all that ails our economy on anyone but himself, as president that is not the kind of backbone I am looking for from my president the man is a coward. He claimed to have the answer that would alieve the economy from impending doom now that the answer has turned into a lie he is engaged in a damage control campaign even against the vice president who is actually telling it how it is.

The crisis was misread, and intentionally misread IMO in order that the crisis remains and the democrats foster a since of need among the people to allow them to be dependant on government rather than be made independant as a result of Government.

Our economic crisis was manufgactored by the government inorder that the government can transform this nation from being an independant to one that is not only dependant on the government but the world and inturn the world being dependant on the leadership of this government to bail us all out with a one world socialist order that has Obama leading it.

This manufactored crisis is acomplishing this reality right before our very eye's.

This is how the land of the free and democracy allows world tyrrany to be ushered in. What we are seeing is not only the death of a nation but death to the freedom, liberty and prosperity we have all grown to love and cherish. It is being sold out for a false hope and lies that it is capitalism to blaim for the crisis rather than socialist policies that derailed us from the traditional standards that made this nation and its economy the greatest in the world.

Could this last 4th of July celebration of independance been our last? The thought of even entertaining this question ought to send chill's down your spine.

Papal message seeks "global authority" for economy (http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE5662VM20090707)

Russia, China to push global currency at G8 summit (http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/wxxi/news.newsmain/article/0/0/1526727/World/Russia..China.to.push.global.currency.at.G8.summit )

Singapore and world economy not in recovery mode-finmin (http://www.forbes.com/feeds/afx/2009/07/07/afx6623367.html)

Worst is yet to come in economic crisis, says WTO chief Lamy (http://www.rfi.fr/actuen/articles/115/article_4233.asp)

The worst social and political efffects of the world economic crisis are yet to come, World Trade Organisation (WTO) chief Pascal Lamy warned today ahead of G8 summit which starts in Italy Wednesday.

Jags~Beach

07-07-2009, 11:24 AM

Democrats Take Tenuous Control of Senate, Firm Hold on House in 110th Congress. Thursday January 4, 2007.

The world’s largest economy has lost about 6.5 million jobs since December 2007.

Since the Democrats took over in the Senate back in 2007, America has lost 6.5 million Jobs. :rolleyes:

Elwar

07-07-2009, 11:34 AM

Reading the title I thought it was a thread about George Bush and Iraq.

Jags~Beach

07-07-2009, 11:37 AM

The incomplete information was not the reason for invasion, it was sadams inability to comply with the ultimatums that halted our troops at the boarder affter he invaded an ally, and posed himself as a threat to the force that had bidden him mercy when we ought of finished what he started when he invaded Qwait.. We should have never qwaited...

http://www.forexyard.com/en/reuters_inner.tpl?action=2009-07-07T164309Z_01_L7699172_RTRIDST_0_G8-SUMMIT-BRITAIN-BROWN-INTERVIEW-EMBARGOED

INTERVIEW-UK's Brown-G8 needs to wake up, pursue growth

LONDON, July 8 (Reuters) - The world needs to wake up to the scale of the downturn and stay focused on restarting growth in recession-hit economies, British Prime Minister Gordon Brown told Reuters on the eve of the G8 summit.

Giving short shrift to talk there would be much discussion of a new global currency to replace the dollar, Brown said the immediate concern was getting out of recession and the dangers posed by high oil prices, protectionism and a lack of credit...

constitutional

07-07-2009, 11:47 AM

Elwar

07-07-2009, 01:46 PM

The incomplete information was not the reason for invasion, it was sadams inability to comply with the ultimatums that halted our troops at the boarder affter he invaded an ally, and posed himself as a threat to the force that had bidden him mercy when we ought of finished what he started when he invaded Qwait.. We should have never qwaited...

You do know, don't you, that Iraq leaders phoned the US Embassy before they attacked Kuwait asking permission to attack Kuwait because Kuwait was pumping their oil from under Iraqi land? And the US told them that "we don't get into border disputes with other nations".

When Saddam rolled into Kuwait, the TV crews had to re-position their cameras in order to keep the locals out of the background who were out there jet-skiing and enjoying a lovely day in Kuwait City.

Are you saying that this is the reason we toppled a nation, caused thousands of deaths and destroyed our economy? Because we were told it was because Saddam posed a threat to us with his WMD.

Acala

07-07-2009, 02:05 PM

Jags~Beach

07-07-2009, 03:06 PM

wow we are talking about Iraq? talk about a terroristic hijacking...

Iraq was about to transfer all the flow of oil out of that country via the euro rather than the dollar. Have any idea what that would have meant to the economy? Saddam waged war with America, and he had the fuel at his fingertips to do some serious damage.:confused:

I am not one who bought into the whole going into Iraq was a bad idea, :cool:

Removing that maniac from residing over the worlds second largest oil preserve was worth every live lost and dollar spent, this may have been the most humanistic endeavor America has made since the revolution, but how would we know considering saddam never lived to pursue his ruthless endeavors beyond his boarders. Saddam was a WMD

Furthermore to allow all the lives lost and dollars spent to be in vain by removing the troops too early to the point of allowing Iraq to fall into the hands of Syria, Iran or Russia would have put all our efforts in vain. In the end the latter would make the world and Iraq worst off than the first.

The debate is a waste of time, I am not here to change your point of view and there is no way in hell you change mine, we don't have to agree to disagree but what is the point of no need to carry it on any further talk about beating a dead horse, speaking of horses look what revelation 6:5 has to say about the current pope...

Rev 6:5 ¶ And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.

Pope Urges New World Economic Order (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/08/world/europe/08pope.html?em)

Oh if your wondering who I believe the other horseman are

Putin
Rev 6:4 And there went out another horse [that was] red: and [power] was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

Obama

Rev 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

We are headed toward the great tribulation such as the world has never known spoken of by Jesus, and this is how we get there...

Elwar

07-08-2009, 10:43 AM

Looking at your posts, I must ask...

why are you on the Ron Paul forums? Do you know anything about Ron Paul?

Jags~Beach

07-08-2009, 01:28 PM

Ron Paul's vision of smaller government, free market, low taxes, and a return to our traditional and sound monetary standards that existed prior to the socialist democrats attack on capitalism through the community reinvestment act are ideals I share.

I know Ron is against any form of a world government or a new world order.

I know that Ron has confessed that Jesus Christ is his personal Savior, and that he seek's his guidance.

I know Ron is a Bible thumping gun owner who opposes same sex marriage

But that does not mean I buy into some of Rons blockheaded ideals.
Such as voting to allow the desecration of the American flag, or how Ron Paul actually believes in hypocritly waving his "unconstitutional" card.

This is the most rediculous thing I think I have ever heard in my life.

"I believe we should cease all foreign aid to all countries" Ron Paul

Foreign aid is not only unconstitutional, but also exceedingly unwise. It creates the worst kind of entangling alliances that President Washington warned about. It doesn’t buy us any real allies, but instead encourages false friendships, dependency, and a sense of entitlement among the recipients. It also causes resentment among nations that receive none, or less than they feel they deserve. Above all, however, it is simply unconscionable to tax American citizens and send their money overseas. We have enough problems of our own here at home, and those dollars should be returned to taxpayers or spent on legitimate constitutional activities.

Where in the hell does the Constitution say that FEDERAL revenues can be spent on earmark ladened bills to be spent on local projects? These earmarks are one of the problem's creating the issue of with the federal governments growth.

Quick is an an unconstitutional earmark

A. a constitutional activity

or

B. Politically correct Bribe

Talk about a no brainer.

Unconstitutional earmarks remove integrity from the process of our legislators duty to execute constitutional activities in Washington.

Last year, Ron Paul was the top House Republican earmark recipient in the omnibus.

Ron Paul's earmark requests for FY2009

The deadline has passed for House members to submit their requests for earmark projects for fiscal year 2009.
We'll post the requests by the Houston delegation as we receive them. Here they are for Rep. Ron Paul, R-Lake Jackson:
Subcommittee on Commerce, Justice and Science:
• $250,000 for Galveston Economic Development Partnership, for Galveston Center for Business and Technology Development to help spin off private investment at National Lab of the University of Texas Medical Branch
• $500,000 for City of Bay City for NuBlac Rehab Center (youth rehabilitation)
Subcommittee on Defense:
• $3.5 million for study of health risks of exposure to vanadium
Subcommittee on Military Construction:
• $2 million for City of Bay City for NuBlac Rehab Center (serving minority veterans)
Subcommittee on Energy and Water Development:
• $41.073 million for Army Corps of Engineers to deepen and widen Texas City Channel
• $21.6 million for Army Corps of Engineers to dredge and reconfigure jetties at mouth of Colorado River
• $7.02 million for Army Corps of Engineers to dredge Freeport Harbor
• $16.021 million for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain Galveston Harbor
• $1 million for Army Corps of Engineers for construction at Cedar Bayou
• $3.297 million for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain Texas City Channel
• $200,000 for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain Cedar Bayou
• $13.038 million for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain Matagorda Ship Channel
• $42.018 million for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain Gulf Intercoastal Waterway
• $3.026 million for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain channel to Victoria
• $600,000 for Army Corps of Engineers for feasibility study for Sabine Pass to Galveston Bay
• $400,000 for Army Corps of Engineers for feasibility study for Feeport Harbor
• $100,000 for Army Corps of Engineers for feasibility study for Lower Guadalupe River Basin
• $400,000 for Army Corps of Engineers for preliminary engineering and design study at Freeport Harbor.
• $21.7 million for Army Corps of Engineers for construction at Houston Galveston Navigation Channel
• $2.165 million for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain Trinity River
• $6.979 million for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain Wallisville Lake
• $1.3 million for Army Corps of Engineers to study flooding around Colorado River
• $11 million for Army Corps of Engineers for construction at Wharton and Onion Creek
• $3.026 million for Army Corps of Engineers for Chocolate Bayou
• $533,000 for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain channel to Port Bolivar
• $41.623 million for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain Houston Ship Channel
• $1.01 million for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain Double Bayou
• $3 million for Army Corps of Engineers for construction at Clear Creek
• $500,000 for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain Port Palacios
• $100,000 for Army Corps of Engineers to study sand placement near Brazoria County shoreline
Subcommittee on Interior and the Environment:
• $5 million for Fort Bend County for City of Kendleton water and sewer improvements
Subcommittee on Homeland Security:
• $10 million for Coast Guard to improve Galveston Rail Causeway
• $8.8 million for FEMA for drainage at Cove Harbor in Aransas County
• $2.2 million for FEMA to reconfigure and stabilize Capano Causeway Pier
• $500,000 for FEMA for Aransas County drainage master plan
• $35 million for FEMA for drainage in Friendswood
• $10 million for FEMA for drainage project for Friendswood/Clear Creek
• $10 million for FEMA for drainage project for Friendswood/Clear Creek
• $5 million for FEMA to recycle household hazardous waste in Friendswood
Subcommittee on Transportation:
• $1.96 million to replace buses in and around Victoria
• $2 million to renovate transit maintenance facility in Galveston
• $5 million to reconfigure Texas Clipper training ship
• $25,000 to install security cameras at Fox Run Apartments in Victoria
• $2 million to beautify Galveston Seawall and support Transit Access Program in Galveston
• $3.6 million to construct inter-modal transit facility in Victoria
• $3.5 million for analysis of commuter rail alternatives in Galveston
• $10.3 million for City of Bay City for NuBlac Youth/Community Center
• $2.2 million for City of Bay City for improvements to electrical wiring in low and moderate income housing
Subcommittee on Labor, HHS, Education:
• $90,000 for Victoria Chamber of Commerce for business/career-related education for youth
• $248,942 for UTMB for employee wellness program for small businesses
• $1.748 million for University of Houston-Victoria for DNA testing and genetic diagnostic lab
• $300,000 for Bay City MEHOP for fund reinstatement of mobile unit
• $200,000 for Bay City MEHOP to recruit nurse practitioner
• $1.92 million for UTMB to study muscle mass loss in aging vs. microgravity (NASA related) at International Space Station National Lab
• $750,000 for Houston Memorial Hermann HealthCare system for Life Flight operations center
• $26 million for Washington, D.C. "Reading is Fundamental" program
• $10 million for Boston, Mass., "Reach Out and Read" national center

http://blogs.chron.com/txpotomac/2008/04/ron_pauls_earmarks_for_fy2009.html

To use the constitution like a race card is disheartening. I have issues with everyone especially myself, I find it hard to find anyone who shares my ideals but Ron is close in many vital instances yet far away on one of the most critical Israel.

Where we to just sit back while nations like Saudi Arabia, Russia, and Iran fund their anti American sentiment around the world and presume we can act as an Island to ourselves? Pulease.... You can not be the largest economy in the world and simultaniously thumb your nose at the world when it comes to foreign aid, especially when the aid results in America's further prosperity.

fact of the matter is aid to Israel only strengthens this nation.

Bowing down to our enemies cry about how we give Israel more than them, is not the reason they hate America, but just another excuse in the many rediculous excuses they make in taking the position to being our enemy, bending to their ignorant rhetoric aimed to define how we ought to spend our money rather than being greatful that they get any at all is a joke.

Jags~Beach

07-08-2009, 01:36 PM

Supporting Israel is like watering a plug of grass reflective of our values in a primitive place where the only true value that exists seems to be waged in angst against liberty.

"I believe we should cease all foreign aid to all countries" Ron Paul

This is an extreme concept that flies in the face of LOGIC.

How in the hell would this do anything but weaken our position in the world, it is profoundly unimaginable to quantify the exponentual rate of decline our position would take in the world,especially at a time when now more than ever the dollar can use the worlds support, and it does not take an audit of the federal reserve to figure that out.

Obama has allocated about 50 Billion in foreign aid. 3 of which is going to Israel.

We can not forget this is America a country of imigrants, imigrants mind you who want to see the plugs of prosperity in this nation be planted all across the world to the homelands of the people residing in it. Aid going to Israel is lending itself to world prosperity more than any aid being sent anywhere in the world. In the end world prosperity is going to lend to American security, if you don't believe it, just look at the pentagon senerios for a world without a prosperous outlook.

Were is the plan to pay back the debt? I don't see it. It is not as if we plan on paying back the debt we have incurred in the first place looking at the out of control deficit earmarking habits habits of our federal government officials. While we are spending the worlds money being invested in America, giving a fraction of it back is not only in the best interest of the world but the security of America.

Israel a beacon of light in a dark and primitive place (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1600302/posts)

Israel, the 100th smallest country, with less than 1/1000th of the world's population, can lay claim to the following:

Israel has the highest ratio of university degrees to the population in the world.

Israel produces more scientific papers per capita than any other nation by a large margin - 109 per 10,000 people - as well as one of the highest per capita rates of patents filed.

In proportion to its population, Israel has the largest number of startup companies in the world. In absolute terms, Israel has the largest number of startup companies than any other country in the world, except the US (3,500 companies mostly in hi-tech).

Israel is ranked #2 in the world for venture capital funds right behind the US.

Outside the United States and Canada, Israel has the largest number of NASDAQ listed companies.

Israel has the highest average living standards in the Middle East. The per capita income in 2000 was over $17,500, exceeding that of the UK.

With an aerial arsenal of over 250 F-16s, Israel has the largest fleet of the aircraft outside of the US.

Israel's $100 billion economy is larger than all of its immediate neighbors combined.

On a per capita basis, Israel has the largest number of biotech start-ups.

Twenty-four percent of Israel's workforce holds university degrees - ranking third in the industrialized world, after the United States and Holland - and 12 percent hold advanced degrees.

Israel is the only liberal democracy in the Middle East.

In 1984 and 1991, Israel airlifted a total of 22,000 Ethiopian Jews at risk in Ethiopia to safety in Israel.

When Golda Meir was elected Prime Minister of Israel in 1969, she became the world's second elected female leader in modern times.

When the U. S. Embassy in Nairobi, Kenya was bombed in 1998, Israeli rescue teams were on the scene within a day - and saved three victims from the rubble.

Israel has the third highest rate of entrepreneurship - and the highest rate among women and among people over 55 - in the world.

Relative to its population, Israel is the largest immigrant-absorbing nation on earth. Immigrants come in search of democracy, religious freedom, and economic opportunity.

Israel was the first nation in the world to adopt the Kimberly process, an international standard that certifies diamonds as "conflict free."

According to industry officials, Israel designed the airline industry's most impenetrable flight security. U. S. officials now look to Israel for advice on how to handle airborne security threats.

In 1991, during the Gulf War, the Israel Philharmonic Orchestra played a concert wearing gas masks as scud missiles fired by Saddam Hussein fell on Tel Aviv.

Israel has the world's second highest per capita of new books.

Israel is the only country in the world that entered the 21st century with a net gain in its number of trees, made more remarkable because this was achieved in an area considered mainly desert.

Israel has more museums per capita than any other country.

Medicine... Israeli scientists developed the first fully computerized,no-radiation, diagnostic instrumentation for breast cancer.

An Israeli company developed a computerized system for ensuring proper

administration of medications, thus removing human error from medical treatment. Every year in U. S. hospitals 7,000 patients die from treatment mistakes.

Israel's Givun imaging developed the first ingestible video camera, so small it fits inside a pill. Used to view the small intestine from the inside, the camera helps doctors diagnose cancer and digestive disorders.

Researchers in Israel developed a new device that directly helps the heart pump blood, an innovation with the potential to save lives among those with heart failure. The new device is synchronized with the heart's mechanical operations through a sophisticated system of sensors.

Technology... With more than 3,000 high-tech companies and start-ups, Israel has the highest concentration of hi-tech companies in the world (apart from the Silicon Valley).

In response to serious water shortages, Israeli engineers and agriculturalists developed a revolutionary drip irrigation system to minimize the amount of water used to grow crops.

Israel has the highest percentage in the world of home computers per capita.

Israel leads the world in the number of scientists and technicians in the workforce, with 145 per 10,000, as opposed to 85 in the U. S., over 70 in Japan, and less than 60 in Germany. With over 25% of its work force employed in technical professions. Israel places first in this category as well.

The cell phone was developed in Israel by Motorola, which has its largest development center in Israel.

Most of the Windows NT operating system was developed by Microsoft-Israel.

The Pentium MMX Chip technology was designed in Israel at Intel.

Voice mail technology was developed in Israel.

Both Microsoft and Cisco built their only R&D facilities outside the US in Israel.

The AOL Instant Messenger was developed in 1996 by four young Israelis.

A new acne treatment developed in Israel, the ClearLight device,produces a high-intensity, ultraviolet-light-free, narrow-band blue light that causes acne bacteria to self-destruct - all without damaging surroundings skin or tissue.

An Israeli company was the first to develop and install a large-scale solar-powered and fully functional electricity generating plant, in southern California's Mojave desert."

All the above while engaged in regular wars with an implacable enemy that seeks its destruction, and an economy continuously under strain by having to spend more per capita on its own protection than any other country on earth. This from a country just 55 years young having started off life on a very frontiers-like basis, whose population had mostly just emerged from the devastating World War II years.

acptulsa

07-08-2009, 01:59 PM

gls

07-08-2009, 01:59 PM

To use the constitution like a race card is disheartening. I have issues with everyone especially myself, I find it hard to find anyone who shares my ideals but Ron is close in many vital instances yet far away on one of the most critical Israel.

Where we to just sit back while nations like Saudi Arabia, Russia, and Iran fund their anti American sentiment around the world and presume we can act as an Island to ourselves? Pulease.... You can not be the largest economy in the world and simultaniously thumb your nose at the world when it comes to foreign aid, especially when the aid results in America's further prosperity.

fact of the matter is aid to Israel only strengthens this nation.

Bowing down to our enemies cry about how we give Israel more than them, is not the reason they hate America, but just another excuse in the many rediculous excuses they make in taking the position to being our enemy, bending to their ignorant rhetoric aimed to define how we ought to spend our money rather than being greatful that they get any at all is a joke.

Why don't you send Israel a check from your personal savings account? Why do you insist it be stolen from me, instead? If you want to support warmongering facists in the middle east, that's your right...it's NOT your right to force me to participate in your sick game.

Signed,

Opposed to being forced to support mass murder at a point of a gun

roho76

07-08-2009, 02:15 PM

Supporting Israel is like watering a plug of grass reflective of our values in a primitive place where the only true value that exists seems to be waged in angst against liberty.

Israel a beacon of light in a dark and primitive place (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1600302/posts)

Israel, the 100th smallest country, with less than 1/1000th of the world's population, can lay claim to the following:

Israel has the highest ratio of university degrees to the population in the world.

Israel produces more scientific papers per capita than any other nation by a large margin - 109 per 10,000 people - as well as one of the highest per capita rates of patents filed.

In proportion to its population, Israel has the largest number of startup companies in the world. In absolute terms, Israel has the largest number of startup companies than any other country in the world, except the US (3,500 companies mostly in hi-tech).

Israel is ranked #2 in the world for venture capital funds right behind the US.

Outside the United States and Canada, Israel has the largest number of NASDAQ listed companies.

Israel has the highest average living standards in the Middle East. The per capita income in 2000 was over $17,500, exceeding that of the UK.

With an aerial arsenal of over 250 F-16s, Israel has the largest fleet of the aircraft outside of the US.

Israel's $100 billion economy is larger than all of its immediate neighbors combined.

On a per capita basis, Israel has the largest number of biotech start-ups.

Twenty-four percent of Israel's workforce holds university degrees - ranking third in the industrialized world, after the United States and Holland - and 12 percent hold advanced degrees.

Israel is the only liberal democracy in the Middle East.

In 1984 and 1991, Israel airlifted a total of 22,000 Ethiopian Jews at risk in Ethiopia to safety in Israel.

When Golda Meir was elected Prime Minister of Israel in 1969, she became the world's second elected female leader in modern times.

When the U. S. Embassy in Nairobi, Kenya was bombed in 1998, Israeli rescue teams were on the scene within a day - and saved three victims from the rubble.

Israel has the third highest rate of entrepreneurship - and the highest rate among women and among people over 55 - in the world.

Relative to its population, Israel is the largest immigrant-absorbing nation on earth. Immigrants come in search of democracy, religious freedom, and economic opportunity.

Israel was the first nation in the world to adopt the Kimberly process, an international standard that certifies diamonds as "conflict free."

According to industry officials, Israel designed the airline industry's most impenetrable flight security. U. S. officials now look to Israel for advice on how to handle airborne security threats.

In 1991, during the Gulf War, the Israel Philharmonic Orchestra played a concert wearing gas masks as scud missiles fired by Saddam Hussein fell on Tel Aviv.

Israel has the world's second highest per capita of new books.

Israel is the only country in the world that entered the 21st century with a net gain in its number of trees, made more remarkable because this was achieved in an area considered mainly desert.

Israel has more museums per capita than any other country.

Medicine... Israeli scientists developed the first fully computerized,no-radiation, diagnostic instrumentation for breast cancer.

An Israeli company developed a computerized system for ensuring proper

administration of medications, thus removing human error from medical treatment. Every year in U. S. hospitals 7,000 patients die from treatment mistakes.

Israel's Givun imaging developed the first ingestible video camera, so small it fits inside a pill. Used to view the small intestine from the inside, the camera helps doctors diagnose cancer and digestive disorders.

Researchers in Israel developed a new device that directly helps the heart pump blood, an innovation with the potential to save lives among those with heart failure. The new device is synchronized with the heart's mechanical operations through a sophisticated system of sensors.

Technology... With more than 3,000 high-tech companies and start-ups, Israel has the highest concentration of hi-tech companies in the world (apart from the Silicon Valley).

In response to serious water shortages, Israeli engineers and agriculturalists developed a revolutionary drip irrigation system to minimize the amount of water used to grow crops.

Israel has the highest percentage in the world of home computers per capita.

Israel leads the world in the number of scientists and technicians in the workforce, with 145 per 10,000, as opposed to 85 in the U. S., over 70 in Japan, and less than 60 in Germany. With over 25% of its work force employed in technical professions. Israel places first in this category as well.

The cell phone was developed in Israel by Motorola, which has its largest development center in Israel.

Most of the Windows NT operating system was developed by Microsoft-Israel.

The Pentium MMX Chip technology was designed in Israel at Intel.

Voice mail technology was developed in Israel.

Both Microsoft and Cisco built their only R&D facilities outside the US in Israel.

The AOL Instant Messenger was developed in 1996 by four young Israelis.

A new acne treatment developed in Israel, the ClearLight device,produces a high-intensity, ultraviolet-light-free, narrow-band blue light that causes acne bacteria to self-destruct - all without damaging surroundings skin or tissue.

An Israeli company was the first to develop and install a large-scale solar-powered and fully functional electricity generating plant, in southern California's Mojave desert."

All the above while engaged in regular wars with an implacable enemy that seeks its destruction, and an economy continuously under strain by having to spend more per capita on its own protection than any other country on earth. This from a country just 55 years young having started off life on a very frontiers-like basis, whose population had mostly just emerged from the devastating World War II years.

Here's your problem: You mistake regular everyday Israelis with the Israeli government and you probably do the same for Americans.

Freedom 4 all

07-08-2009, 02:22 PM

Steve Irwin voice: Crikey, looks like we've encountered a neocon.

Jags~Beach

07-08-2009, 02:48 PM

Why don't you send Israel a check from your personal savings account? Why do you insist it be stolen from me, instead?

LMAO it is not stolen from you it is borrowed from foreign countries to never be paid back. wake up...

The money you pay in taxes is being used to buy Obama a $2,000 dog, and fly him to NY so he and his wife can watch a play and eat dinner, oh and then there is the flying in the pizza chef in to washington for dinner, and the airforce one photo op, giving money to Israel is one of the smart things we do with our money, if you want to talk about stupid things our officials are doing with it, you would propbably need to tear down yellowstone national forest before youget to Israel on that list. :D

If you're for 'sound monetary standards' why do you want to prop up the petrodollar so badly?

Sound monetary standards? I am for it, but on the list of things I am pursuing as an immediate and tangible goal, sound monetary standards may as well be a pipe dream for this generation. It would be something on my grandsons horizon.

The only thing an attempt to pursue sound monetary standards at this point would be to reveal just how truly dire the state of our current condition is in given the rate of spending our government is currently in. This is another reason why auditing the treasury is a horribly bad idea. What is currently occuring IMO right now around the world is a convoluted smoke and mirror act, the entire world has been in a spending frenzy, the worst thing that could have happened has, the credit reservoirs where allowed to be spread wide open thanks to socialist policies.

Our dollar is based on an economic confidence platform, the more people lose confidence in the economy the more the dollar declines as the less will be invested in dollar reserves and Treasury Bills, Notes, and Bonds... China is already dumping their treasury bonds for gold...

Things where actually going well inspite of our overspending until the socialist sabotaged the credit reservior.

bush created over 3 million Jobs, we have lost over 2 million jobs since Obama has been in office, half a million just in the last month.

Democrats in typical fashion love to use scapegoats, when all else fails pass the buck to Bush ignoring the reality that everything was going well until the Democrats started taking control.

Back in Democrats January 2007 1999, and 1977... They are the ones who set the time bomb in action the virus that ran its course in the conveyor belt of the worlds economy to the point of unleashing the socialist contagent of toxic debt.

Take Tenuous Control of Senate, Firm Hold on House in 110th Congress. Thursday January 4, 2007.

The world’s largest economy has lost about 6.5 million jobs since December 2007.

Wake up amd smell the coffee, had Clinton not forced the government sponsored lending institutions to possess 50% of their portfolios with loans that people could not afford to pay back we would not be in this shape, it was bad enough Carter forced all institutions to possess one percent of bad loans people could not pay back, this is where Obama comes in sueing Citi back in the day in order to force them to give bad loans.

So you see in the end it was the socialist policies of the Democrats that caused the traditional standards of the lending institutions that held the flood gates of the credit liquidity from being forced wide open, to be unshackled to the point all the liquidity in the market was dissolved.

The crisis we are in today was not only foreseeable, but it was deliberately engineered by the government in order to force the entire world to be subject to socialism the tyrranical rule of a one world order.

had the democrats not deregulated the traditional standards the flood gates holding back the credit reserves would not have flooded to the point of forcing the housing market to float so high over inflation to the point of forcing it to come crash landing on wall street once the liquidity in the market evaporated into thin air.

This is indeed the Democrats fault, some blame has to go to the GOP for allowing the democrats to use the poor as hostages in their attempt to hijack capitalism.

Now we have the elite in the world like the pope for example seeking a one world order. In other words file all the peasants in line to get on their knees to the elite running the show.

Forcing all the world to be subject to the mantra of each according to his ability and each according to his needs, which will do nothing more than take the fuel out of commerce as the motivation fueling it will die out by the fuel of only having basic needs met, in the end what do we really need food water shelter. Cubans are rationed to 1/4 lb of meat a month, boy talk about motivation to stimulate commerce.

There is enough resources for the world to thrive, yet the elite feel as though they are the only one's entitled to thrive and be able to afford $2,000 dogs while decrying anyone else who attempts such out to be insensitive to the plight of the world.

There is far too much debt at the moment to be making any attempt towards sound monetary standards, at this moment these standards will do more harm than good. What we need to focus on is more sound government spending.

acptulsa

07-08-2009, 02:52 PM

That's some fine neocon doubletalk there, bubba. But we've racked up a hell of a lot more debt propping up the petrodollar than we have spoiling our presidents and their families. And if you think the FRN is going to last until your grandchildren have kids or whenever, well, all I can say is you had better not only be over sixty, but better have started early. Because they're going to be trying to stick us on a new, improved, global fiat long before then.

HRD53

07-08-2009, 02:54 PM

LMAO it is not stolen from you it is borrowed from foreign countries to never be paid back. wake up...

And thats okay because...

Jags~Beach

07-08-2009, 03:05 PM

Steve Irwin voice: Crikey, looks like we've encountered a neocon.

Is this what a neocon would say?

We have to take this monster robot called government aiming to control everything and operate in a slow and beaurocratic red tape manner, and shut it down, and allow the majority of current federal control to be regulated back to the states and cut taxes on the private sector and allow it to will stimulate the economy with spending by the people.

Instead of giving banks stimulous money, allow the federal government to create a 2.5 trillion dollar federal credit reserve for the private sector who can afford to pay it back to borrow from it to create jobs.

This will bring confidence back.

No need for those who can't afford insurance to force those of us who are struggling already as it is to pay for it. Universal healthcare is a Joke.

Cap and trade will force us to be industrially uncompetitive with the rest of the world, as if the wages we have to compete with is not enough... cap and trade has to go...

The federal government is looking to control 60% of our economy, this is the same government that bankrupted social security and medicaid.

Socialism has infected our traditional standards, we can not afford not to use it to take us back to our traditional standards. But in order to do so we need to shut down welfare and force every american to pay their share while giving them the ability and resources to do it with.

America has lost 6.5 million Jobs since 2007, who knows how many millions are on the welfare roll's? Take the money from the welfare rolls and use it to sitmulate the economy with loans for people who possess the ability to create jobs and pay it back.

You want to create job's how many delapitated homes and roads are there out there? america's infastructure is in shambles, the work is there the work force is there, the credit reserve to get the ball rolling is the only thing holding us back.

How will giving Americans a 10,000 dollar tax credit to repair and upgrade their homes going to do anything but make our economy and value stronger? It is time for the government to give the people an opportunity to spend our way out of this depression instead of forcing the people to sit idle while watching the government spend the money while leaving this nation in a rut?

Jags~Beach

07-08-2009, 03:13 PM

And thats okay because...

It is OK because if we were dependant on what you are giving, with how out of control the governments wreckless spending is... well you get the picture...;)

OK given the alternative to not borrowing and actually being forced to pay this back at the rate our out of control government is in.

At this point we don't need the truth, we can't handle the truth regarding auditing our federal reserve the Senate is all to well aware of this dire reality, the only truth we ough to be concerned with is in forcing our federal government to cease and assist the states and private sector.

Jags~Beach

07-08-2009, 03:18 PM

Andrew-Austin

07-08-2009, 03:21 PM

Sound monetary standards? I am for it, but on the list of things I am pursuing as an immediate and tangible goal, sound monetary standards may as well be a pipe dream for this generation. It would be something on my grandsons horizon.

No shit, he won't have a choice. Your sons and grandsons will be fully enslaved to the debt people like you suggested we accumulate. Better to recognize economic reality now, the longer you delay it the harder the recovery will be.

Instead of giving banks stimulous money, allow the federal government to create a 2.5 trillion dollar federal credit reserve for the private sector who can afford to pay it back to borrow from it to create jobs.

The artificial creation of credit to stimulate the economy does not work. Period. It temporarily inflates the economy only to have it come crashing down hard. Believing otherwise is something you, Bush, and Obama have in common.

RonPaulR3VOLUTION

07-08-2009, 06:47 PM

FSP-Rebel

07-08-2009, 07:06 PM

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This pretty much sums it up... Nice timing.

Elwar

07-08-2009, 07:13 PM

Where in the hell does the Constitution say that FEDERAL revenues can be spent on earmark ladened bills to be spent on local projects? These earmarks are one of the problem's creating the issue of with the federal governments growth.

Show me the earmark vote that Ron Paul voted Aye on.

"The American conservative hates the left more than the state." -Lew Rockwell

Also, you forgot one of Israel's other accomplishments. Their media machine did a good job at censoring Ron Paul's campaign.