Secession

[rp08orbust]

Ron Paul has said recently that while he doesn't think secession is a good idea right now, he believes that all states have a right to secede from the union and that it should be considered a serious option.

Since pushing the right of secession to its logical conclusion is what lead me from minarchism to anarcho-capitalism, I'm curious if there are more anarcho-capitalists out there who don't realize it yet.

If you give an answer other than the first or last option in this poll, please explain why you believe in that particular level of secession but not others. Also, ignore the issue of how a rightful secession is determined (e.g., majority support, severity of tyranny, etc).

[Icymudpuppy]

I agree. You should have a right to succeed to the individual level. At that stage, you would become a nation unto yourself, and while you may be able to be stronger than another individual, you have to accept that other weaker individuals may band together into alliances and go to war with you. Can you defend yourself if the Alliance of your neighbors bands together to absorb your property into their cooperative? If you can't, who would you go to for redress assuming you live through their aggression? The U.N.?

We the people of the United States, in order to ... Establish Justice, Insure Domestic Tranquility, Provide for the common defense, ... and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the UNITED STATES of AMERICA.

[Objectivist]

Here's a word for you to consider.... Revolution!

[catdd]

Who are we going to secede with?
Neocons are not much better than socialists liberals.

Seems we would have to occupy the majority of a state before secession would do us any good.

[Kludge]

1&6

[rp08orbust]

1&6

I meant "political entity" in (1) to include individuals, but yeah, I get your point. Groups don't have rights, only individuals do.

Having said that, and in response to catdd, I believe that any level of secession is good and should be encouraged (such as the US secession from the British empire, the Southern states' secession from the Union, etc), because it disperses power and reduces the total amount of damage that can be done by government.

[catdd]

Well, it would be easier for us to control a state government than the federal government but we are severely outnumbered by neocons and liberals.
If I were to secede I would prefer we have the majority vote in said state.

[jblosser]

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

[idiom]

If you didn't tick one and also failed to tick 2-6 then I guess, "Its not secession when we do it!"