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Patriot123
07-03-2009, 03:02 AM
...you're all for following and upholding the Constitution. Problem? What about different cabinets? Jefferson and Hamilton had this debate - or at least Hamilton brought it up in debate against Jefferson's argument that the Constitution should be interpreted strictly rather than loosely. What about all of the legislation that's unconstitutional that's currently in effect? What about the education department? What about everything else? What would you do? Would asking Congress to pass constitutional amendments making these things legal be a viable solution? Would it be practical? Or... would you be daring (psychotic?) and abolish all of that - including the cabinets? Or would you act like Jefferson in the later part of his presidency and try to justify everything as Constitutional, even though in the back of your head you know it's not?

Brassmouth
07-03-2009, 03:24 AM
Scenario: You're president, and...

I quit.

Stary Hickory
07-03-2009, 06:32 AM
Quite simple,

I would tell the American people the truth. 90% of our government is illegitimate, it violates the principles of our constitution. I would tell them that inevitably I will be given unconstitutional legislation to pass or veto, and that pressure to pass such legislation would be enormous. The budget alone contains funding for programs that should never have existed. And whereas I have serious doubts about my ability to stop all such legislation, such as the budget, I will do one thing.

I would declare that every law that is considered unconstitutional by any state can be nullified and ignored. I would fight without pause for states who are declaring certain laws null and void. In this way all unconstituinal laws would become voluntarily accepted by the states themselves.

I would nullify all "strings" attached to federal money given to states thus ending the "bribery" influence over states. And if anyone said that this would negatively affect person A or person B, then I would tell them to take it up with the state government. In this way all legislation would be voluntary at the state level, it's better than what we have now.

And I would fight congress and the senate, and probably the SC in order to protect states who are modifying the law package they get from the Federal Government. This is what we need is a president to say he not only will refuse to use force to enforce unconstitutional laws, but encourages states to ignore the ones it has no use for.

Shit would hit the fan, but it is about time that it did. There is no moral authority for forcing unconstitutional legislation on Americans, and especially sovereign states. This is what America needs, let socialist states keep the programs, but they must compete against those states and people who choose not to be a part of those programs as well.

This means that States could argue for reduced taxation on incomes and profits of people in their states. If a State eliminates certain programs then it the people in that state should no longer pay for that program.

Patriot123
07-03-2009, 11:59 AM
But what would you do about the cabinet system? That's what I was really curious about :p