tangent4ronpaul
06-30-2009, 07:31 PM
Soviets Planned Nuclear First Strike to Preempt West
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB154/index.htm
Washington D.C. May 13, 2005 - The Soviet-led Warsaw Pact had a long-standing strategy to attack Western Europe that included being the first to use nuclear weapons, .... Although the aim was apparently to preempt NATO "aggression," the Soviets clearly expected that nuclear war was likely and planned specifically to fight and win such a conflict.
Plans to initiate the use of nuclear weapons, ostensibly to preempt Western first-use. (Documents Nos. 81, 83)
Soviet expectations that conventional conflicts would go nuclear, and plans to fight and win such conflicts. (Documents Nos. 81, 83)
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB154/doc81.pdf (see page 409+, page 4+ of pdf)
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB154/doc83.pdf (see page 415+, page 1+ of pdf)
Why is this relevant today?
If we look at 2003, right after the invasion of Iraq, the BBC ran a program called “What the World Thinks of America”. It was broadcast worldwide with one exception. No network in the USA carried it. Those that saw it had to find out about and watch it on the Internet. For Russia's part, a diplomat did not have kind things to say. His closing statement was “The United States should never forget that Russia is still a nuclear power”.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/2997248.stm
It should be remembered that our invasion a month before, cost Russia, Germany, France and some other countries lucrative oil contracts with Iraq and caused their petrol costs to skyrocket.
Through our continued meddling in other countries affairs, we have seen a series of “color revolutions” and covert paramilitary support from Russia to countries we invaded. Did the cold war ever end? – just because the Berlin wall came down, Russia went through a recession and re-ordered their economic strategy? Did declaring “we won” really change anything? Sure, there was a brief recess – so maybe we should call this Cold War II.
Since about 1995, we have seen the formation of coalitions in Eurasia. Originally for economic support, but these seem to be shifting into a counter-balance for NATO. There have been joint military exercises and a number of these countries are nuclear powers. They are quite frankly tiring of our wars and influence of their governments and culture on their soil as well as installing despots who give us access to their resources at bargain basement prices. This might explain a few things:
Why we or Israel have not invaded or bombed Iraq and there was a “color revolution” instead. With China, Russia, and most of the middle east having their back, the chances of sparking off WWIII were probably too great to risk.
The move to go “green” in this country. With these member countries controlling 2/3rds to 3/4ths of the worlds oil supplies the possibility of being cut off is very real. Especially in the case of a war.
Other aspects of the economic mess we brought upon the world and the worlds reaction by changing the basic currency oil is traded in as well as at least China's and Saudi Arabia's massive gold purchases. Heads up! - the economy is headed for a crash!
This brings us to what might be referred to as fifth generation warfare or possibly an unintended consequence of our current regulatory structure and the resulting design flaws of the adapting business strategy.
Some years ago, I read a SF novel called “The Cool War”. I am currently reading it again. The premise is that “Hot” wars are too dangerous to fight, so covert activities are carried out instead – ones that drag down an adversaries economy. Things that make people sick, encourage absenteeism, strain the health care system... Think bird/swine flu and tainted products coming from China. Is this deliberate or is it a side effect of a flawed regulatory process. We have too much regulation and it's driving our manufacturing capacity to potential enemies. They have little to no regulatory structure and it makes them a job magnet but is perhaps too lax, due to the side effects. Just in time production is another example. Some ability to handle surges in demand provide stability and security. Commercially in the US, we don't have that any more. So are we fighting a fifth generation war or just experiencing the side effects of a flawed regulatory / business paradigm?
On the plus side, these Eurasian coalitions have embraced our flawed business structures and incorporated single points of failure into their economic planning for “efficiency”. Just like our base closure and realignment fiasco. One good attack and we loose our complete capacity for medical care, or logistic repair or ordnance, or ... Didn't your mother teach you to not put all your eggs in one basket? At least we are not alone in this stupidity! It might be the worlds saving grace by making a world war come to a grinding halt REAL FAST!
But coming full circle, do you really think Russia has given up it's first strike protocol, especially with it's navy and the majority of it's military force lies rusting in military bases? Especially with their excellent shelter system, not to mention China's and those of many middle eastern countries?
Reboot country: y/n?
> y
...
-t
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB154/index.htm
Washington D.C. May 13, 2005 - The Soviet-led Warsaw Pact had a long-standing strategy to attack Western Europe that included being the first to use nuclear weapons, .... Although the aim was apparently to preempt NATO "aggression," the Soviets clearly expected that nuclear war was likely and planned specifically to fight and win such a conflict.
Plans to initiate the use of nuclear weapons, ostensibly to preempt Western first-use. (Documents Nos. 81, 83)
Soviet expectations that conventional conflicts would go nuclear, and plans to fight and win such conflicts. (Documents Nos. 81, 83)
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB154/doc81.pdf (see page 409+, page 4+ of pdf)
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB154/doc83.pdf (see page 415+, page 1+ of pdf)
Why is this relevant today?
If we look at 2003, right after the invasion of Iraq, the BBC ran a program called “What the World Thinks of America”. It was broadcast worldwide with one exception. No network in the USA carried it. Those that saw it had to find out about and watch it on the Internet. For Russia's part, a diplomat did not have kind things to say. His closing statement was “The United States should never forget that Russia is still a nuclear power”.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/2997248.stm
It should be remembered that our invasion a month before, cost Russia, Germany, France and some other countries lucrative oil contracts with Iraq and caused their petrol costs to skyrocket.
Through our continued meddling in other countries affairs, we have seen a series of “color revolutions” and covert paramilitary support from Russia to countries we invaded. Did the cold war ever end? – just because the Berlin wall came down, Russia went through a recession and re-ordered their economic strategy? Did declaring “we won” really change anything? Sure, there was a brief recess – so maybe we should call this Cold War II.
Since about 1995, we have seen the formation of coalitions in Eurasia. Originally for economic support, but these seem to be shifting into a counter-balance for NATO. There have been joint military exercises and a number of these countries are nuclear powers. They are quite frankly tiring of our wars and influence of their governments and culture on their soil as well as installing despots who give us access to their resources at bargain basement prices. This might explain a few things:
Why we or Israel have not invaded or bombed Iraq and there was a “color revolution” instead. With China, Russia, and most of the middle east having their back, the chances of sparking off WWIII were probably too great to risk.
The move to go “green” in this country. With these member countries controlling 2/3rds to 3/4ths of the worlds oil supplies the possibility of being cut off is very real. Especially in the case of a war.
Other aspects of the economic mess we brought upon the world and the worlds reaction by changing the basic currency oil is traded in as well as at least China's and Saudi Arabia's massive gold purchases. Heads up! - the economy is headed for a crash!
This brings us to what might be referred to as fifth generation warfare or possibly an unintended consequence of our current regulatory structure and the resulting design flaws of the adapting business strategy.
Some years ago, I read a SF novel called “The Cool War”. I am currently reading it again. The premise is that “Hot” wars are too dangerous to fight, so covert activities are carried out instead – ones that drag down an adversaries economy. Things that make people sick, encourage absenteeism, strain the health care system... Think bird/swine flu and tainted products coming from China. Is this deliberate or is it a side effect of a flawed regulatory process. We have too much regulation and it's driving our manufacturing capacity to potential enemies. They have little to no regulatory structure and it makes them a job magnet but is perhaps too lax, due to the side effects. Just in time production is another example. Some ability to handle surges in demand provide stability and security. Commercially in the US, we don't have that any more. So are we fighting a fifth generation war or just experiencing the side effects of a flawed regulatory / business paradigm?
On the plus side, these Eurasian coalitions have embraced our flawed business structures and incorporated single points of failure into their economic planning for “efficiency”. Just like our base closure and realignment fiasco. One good attack and we loose our complete capacity for medical care, or logistic repair or ordnance, or ... Didn't your mother teach you to not put all your eggs in one basket? At least we are not alone in this stupidity! It might be the worlds saving grace by making a world war come to a grinding halt REAL FAST!
But coming full circle, do you really think Russia has given up it's first strike protocol, especially with it's navy and the majority of it's military force lies rusting in military bases? Especially with their excellent shelter system, not to mention China's and those of many middle eastern countries?
Reboot country: y/n?
> y
...
-t