Obama: "I will be a champion who fights for gays."

[max]

Because he's one of them! ...........(Google Larry Sinclair)

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/30/obama-promises-champion-gay-rights/

[american.swan]

Let me translate that into normal speak.

Obama said, "I'll open my backside for you, if you vote for me in 2012."

[Indy Vidual]

"I will be a champion..."

Are "the gays" a basketball team? :rolleyes:
Which city??

[Matt Collins]

He'll have to sneak the legislation in the back door unless he wants to cause the conservative caucus to rise up in stiff opposition.

[Steeleye]

What kind of people base their political ideology around who they like to sleep with?

[american.swan]

he'll have to sneak the legislation in the back door unless he wants to cause the conservative caucus to rise up in stiff opposition.

hahaha

[max]

YouTube - Barack Obama Gay Sex Scandal New Evidence (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqxmn1ZuMw4)

[american.swan]

What kind of people base their political ideology around who they like to sleep with?

+1

[Matt Collins]

What kind of people base their political ideology around who they like to sleep with?I find it to be more vice-versa :p;)

[dannno]

What kind of people base their political ideology around who they like to sleep with?

You mean Christians? Because they like to sleep with people of the opposite sex and a book they read tells them to do that, so many of them try to force everybody else to be that way through political and social coercion?

[dannno]

I find it to be more vice-versa :p;)


I think you beat me.

[Cowlesy]

He'll have to sneak the legislation in the back door unless he wants to cause the conservative caucus to rise up in stiff opposition.

Your not going to flag your own off-color comment a month do the road and ask us to remove it, are you?

[Steeleye]

You mean Christians? Because they like to sleep with people of the opposite sex and a book they read tells them to do so, many of them try to force everybody else to be that way, too?

What about gay Christians?

[dannno]

What about gay Christians?

I didn't mean all Christians..

What I meant was that gay people are attempting to gain equal rights under the law, and many Christians use the argument that what they are doing goes against the Bible so we can't give them equal treatment under the law.

Checkout this Lew Rockwell blog post on gay marriage:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/010707.html

It explains why the libertarian should FIRST believe that the state should not be involved in marriage, however IF they choose to be involved they must provide said services equally and not to certain groups (i.e. straight people only)

[TonySutton]

You mean Christians? Because they like to sleep with people of the opposite sex and a book they read tells them to do that, so many of them try to force everybody else to be that way through political and social coercion?

+1

[Steeleye]

I didn't mean all Christians..

What I meant was that gay people are attempting to gain equal rights under the law, and many Christians use the argument that what they are doing goes against the Bible so we can't give them equal treatment under the law.

Checkout this Lew Rockwell blog post on gay marriage:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/010707.html

It explains why the libertarian should FIRST believe that the state should not be involved in marriage, however IF they choose to be involved they must provide said services equally and not to certain groups (i.e. straight people only)

I agree the state shouldn't be involved in marriage, hetero or ****. But it seems the gays only like Obama because he has a 'D' next to his name despite the fact his attorney general is defending DOMA.

[dannno]

I agree the state shouldn't be involved in marriage, hetero or ****. But it seems the gays only like Obama because he has a 'D' next to his name despite the fact his attorney general is defending DOMA.

No, they liked him because he was a snake oil salesman and I'm not talkin 'bout rattlers ;):confused::eek:

[Steeleye]

No, they liked him because he was a snake oil salesman and I'm not talkin 'bout rattlers ;):confused::eek:

He promised everybody everything. I'm still waiting for my Skittle-shitting unicorn...

[sedele]

You mean Christians? Because they like to sleep with people of the opposite sex and a book they read tells them to do that, so many of them try to force everybody else to be that way through political and social coercion?

Uhhh.... Boys have penises and girls have vagina's.

Creation tells us to sleep with people of the opposite sex.

[heavenlyboy34]

He promised everybody everything. I'm still waiting for my Skittle-shitting unicorn...

When you get it, I wanna ride it for a bit! :D:):cool:

[TonySutton]

I agree the state shouldn't be involved in marriage, hetero or ****. But it seems the gays only like Obama because he has a 'D' next to his name despite the fact his attorney general is defending DOMA.

Some gays voted for him because they are collectivists like him. Not all gays are Democrats. Some are Republicans, you can see them in news stories while others are here fighting for liberty.

[Freedom 4 all]

He'll have to sneak the legislation in the back door unless he wants to cause the conservative caucus to rise up in stiff opposition.

LMAO that's actually hillarious.

[Stary Hickory]

Ah I thought the title was "I will be the Champion who fights gays"

I was wondering.

[Matt Collins]

Your not going to flag your own off-color comment a month do the road and ask us to remove it, are you?Probably. :rolleyes:

[Sandman33]

"I will be a champion..."

Are "the gays" a basketball team? :rolleyes:
Which city??

No, they're a Baseketball team called the San Francisco Ferries.

1.50 in you will find them:
YouTube - Best Scenes Trilogy #2(BASEketball) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8Dw734nfFA)

[Matt Collins]

LMAO that's actually hillarious.Yeah Obama's going to have to push hard to make this happen.

[zach]

I am so sick and tired of this pushing for hard legislation of "separate but equal" rights.

[Liberty Star]

Obama on Dems side and McCain junior on GOP side rooting for them, what better bi partisan teamwork could gay rights folks ask for?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=2190703&postcount=33

[swed]

Isnt obama anti-gay marriage?

[max]

Isnt obama anti-gay marriage?

Obama is pro-gay 100%...but he'll sometimes act "conservative" so as not to alienate to many sheep

[swed]

Obama is pro-gay 100%...but he'll sometimes act "conservative" so as not to alienate to many sheep

Are you anti-gay?

[max]

Are you anti-gay?

I oppose all forms of moral perversion and degeneracy. That a US president would condone this stuff is a sure sign of America's downfall

[torchbearer]

I oppose all forms of moral perversion and degeneracy. That a US president would condone this stuff is a sure sign of America's downfall

it is actually a person's right to be perverse with another human who is a willing party of age.
whether you like it or not.

[swed]

I oppose all forms of moral perversion and degeneracy. That a US president would condone this stuff is a sure sign of America's downfall

Moral perversion is subjective. I don't agree with homosexuality but I am not anti0gay. Im pro liberty.

[max]

it is actually a person's right to be perverse with another human who is a willing party of age.
whether you like it or not.

they have no right to corrupt public morals anymore than a factory has to corrupt public waterways.

Let them bugger away all they want in the privacy of their rooms...but the minute they start parading that filth in front of my kids.....the state...YES THE STATE...has a duty to protect civil society...especially vulnerable kids who are being recruited into the "gay lifestyle"

[max]

Moral perversion is subjective. I don't agree with homosexuality but I am not anti0gay. Im pro liberty.

Is fucking a dead animal carcass a moral perversion...or is that "subjective."

[swed]

they have no right to corrupt public morals anymore than a factory has to corrupt public waterways.

Let them bugger away all they want in the privacy of their rooms...but the minute they start parading that filth in front of my kids.....the state...YES THE STATE...has a duty to protect civil society...especially vulnerable kids who are being recruited into the "gay lifestyle"

You do NOT belong here then. You are anti-freedom.


I suggest

www.freerepublic.com

[swed]

Is fucking a dead animal carcass a moral perversion...or is that "subjective."

What the hell does that have to do with homosexuality?

[max]

What the hell does that have to do with homosexuality?

its degenerate behavior ....if you dfend homosexuality...then why not defend beastiality too?

[swed]

its degenerate behavior ....if you dfend homosexuality...then why not defend beastiality too?

2 adults should still be able to act the way they please as long as they arent breaking the law. If you don't want your kids to see it, then lock them up inside your house and home school them.

[Bman]

.....the state...YES THE STATE...

Sorry man, even the states have to follow the constitution. The states have no rights on personal liberties. Only people do.

You should question if you really believe in freedom and liberty. It really sounds to me like you are here because your point of view is not the law.

[max]

Sorry man, even the states have to follow the constitution. The states have no rights on personal liberties. Only people do.

You should question if you really believe in freedom and liberty. It really sounds to me like you are here because your point of view is not the law.

Does the state have the right to prevent me from defecating in public?

Does the state have the right to stop people from walking naked down the street?...having sex in public?

Would you allow that?

sorry...you confuse liberty with anarchy.

[swed]

I wouldnt allow any of that. But id allow gays being seen in public.

[max]

I wouldnt allow any of that. But id allow gays being seen in public.

i would too...but as soon as they start making out they should be arrested and fined for disorderly conduct....

just like taking a shit in public...

[Bman]

Does the state have the right to prevent me from defecating in public?

Depends on the ownership of the property.


Does the state have the right to stop people from walking naked down the street?...having sex in public?

Again, depends on ownership of the property.


Would you allow that?

On my property No. On your property if you so desired it. Yes.


sorry...you confuse liberty with anarchy.


And you confuse liberty with statism.

[Bman]

i would too...but as soon as they start making out they should be arrested and fined for disorderly conduct....

This is called discrimination. To not be a hypocrite you'd have to even out your thought process. Looks like no more kisses at weddings.

[Mini-Me]

they have no right to corrupt public morals anymore than a factory has to corrupt public waterways.

Let them bugger away all they want in the privacy of their rooms...but the minute they start parading that filth in front of my kids.....the state...YES THE STATE...has a duty to protect civil society...especially vulnerable kids who are being recruited into the "gay lifestyle"

I can't wait until the follow-up thread, "ZOMGHELPMEMYKIDISGAY!!!"

[max]

its really alarming how you kids have been morally dumbed down over the past 20 years ...you arent even aware of how the media culture has propagandized you into accepting pure degeneracy as "normal"

as recently as 20 years ago...no one would have dared to imagine a day in America where "gay marriage" is actually taken seriously..

this moral decline will be our undoing...

all of it...the homosexuality...the hetero-promiscuity....the abortions...the divorce rate....the adultery....the materialism...the cohabitation...the porn...the foul music...perverted art...etc...

Ron Paul, Austrian Economics and the US Consitution aint gonna save a civilization that turns its back on God, virtue....and all that our ancestors stood for...

ya'll just wait and see whats coming....Decline and crash of the modern Roman Empire ...the sequel.....

[torchbearer]

what people do in their own bedrooms have nothing to do with your fucking kids.

[Bman]

its really alarming how you kids have been morally dumbed down over the past 20 years ...you arent even aware of how the media culture has propagandized you into accepting pure degeneracy as "normal"

as recently as 20 years ago...no one would have dared to imagine a day in America where "gay marriage" is actually taken seriously..

this moral decline will be our undoing...

all of it...the homosexuality...the hetero-promiscuity....the abortions...the divorce rate....the adultery....the materialism...the cohabitation...the porn...the foul music...perverted art...etc...

Ron Paul, Austrian Economics and the US Consitution aint gonna save a civilization that turns its back on God, virtue....and all that our ancestors stood for...

ya'll just wait and see whats coming....Decline and crash of the modern Roman Empire ...the sequel.....

Seiously, knock it off. Your making me laugh so hard my stomach hurts.

[swed]

its really alarming how you kids have been morally dumbed down over the past 20 years ...you arent even aware of how the media culture has propagandized you into accepting pure degeneracy as "normal"

as recently as 20 years ago...no one would have dared to imagine a day in America where "gay marriage" is actually taken seriously..

this moral decline will be our undoing...

all of it...the homosexuality...the hetero-promiscuity....the abortions...the divorce rate....the adultery....the materialism...the cohabitation...the porn...the foul music...perverted art...etc...

Ron Paul, Austrian Economics and the US Consitution aint gonna save a civilization that turns its back on God, virtue....and all that our ancestors stood for...

ya'll just wait and see whats coming....Decline and crash of the modern Roman Empire ...the sequel.....

This has got to be satire.

[max]

Seiously, knock it off. Your making me laugh so hard my stomach hurts.

I have to get my last shots in before the hate crimes laws kick in and i'll be locked up for "inciting hatred"

[torchbearer]

I have to get my last shots in before the hate crimes laws kick in and i'll be locked up for "inciting hatred"

It is your right to hate ******s, it is not your right to introduce government force to prevent people for voluntary actions.
The persecution complex doesn't work well for those who'd like to initiate force against others.

[max]

This has got to be satire.

not at all......

that's my point exactly. I am merely speaking truth and common sense....Anyone above 40 knows this..

i refuse to change my standards just because the media suddenly discovered a few years ago that whats wrong is now right..

yet it seems like something out-of-this-world to you kids....

[max]

It is your right to hate ******s, it is not your right to introduce government force to prevent people for voluntary actions.
The persecution complex doesn't work well for those who'd like to initiate force against others.

How is banning *****s from public affection displays/parades any different than banning women from parading about topless?...or banning prostitutes from street hustling?

I dont hate ******s ...I hate ******ry...

hate the sin...love the sinner

[Bman]

not at all......

that's my point exactly. I am merely speaking truth and common sense....Anyone above 40 knows this..

i refuse to change my standards just because the media suddenly discovered a few years ago that whats wrong is now right..

yet it seems like something out-of-this-world to you kids....

But this is why you have to believe in freedom. Only if you refuse to tell others how they can live their lives can you escape the possiblility that they may tell you how to live your life.

[max]

But this is why you have to believe in freedom. Only if you refuse to tell others how they can live their lives can you escape the possiblility that they may tell you how to live your life.

I believe in economic freedom and cultural/moral standards protected by the state.

Without the latter.....you won't be able to enjoy the fruits of the former. Once u understand that...it becomes obvious why leftists and communists are ALWAYS attacking traditional morality and religion

[torchbearer]

How is banning *****s from public affection displays/parades any different than banning women from parading about topless?...or banning prostitutes from street hustling?

I dont hate ******s ...I hate ******ry...

hate the sin...love the sinner

to say all public affection is banned is a fair discussion.
but what people do in their homes consensually is their business.

[max]

to say all public affection is banned is a fair discussion.
but what people do in their homes consensually is their business.

But thats just it! They dont confine it to their bedrooms.

They are partying in the White House....They are stripping Ms. California of her title. They are implementing school curriculum for kindergarteners....They are agitating for "marriage rights".......They are in our face more and more and more.

If they kept that shit in their bedrooms I'd be Ok....

but its now in my face 24/7 and I'm damn sick of it.

[Andrew-Austin]

not at all......

that's my point exactly. I am merely speaking truth and common sense....Anyone above 40 knows this..

yet it seems like something out-of-this-world to you kids....

Common sense is saying gays should not be allowed to defecate and have sex on public property, I've only scanned through the posts here but that is about all you have said that does not sound paranoid, irrational, and homophobic.


its really alarming how you kids have been morally dumbed down over the past 20 years ...you arent even aware of how the media culture has propagandized you into accepting pure degeneracy as "normal"

How are we morally dumbed down? Make your case instead of just ranting like a loon. What is pure degeneracy? Simply being gay, simply thinking that the existence of gay people is not the end of the world, or knowing that gay people are not immoral just because they have sex with their own? Just because someone has a different opinion than you, does not mean their views have resulted from propaganda.



i refuse to change my standards just because the media suddenly discovered a few years ago that whats wrong is now right..


Who is telling you to?



yet it seems like something out-of-this-world to you kids....

Yeah sorry gramps, I don't think **** will go to hell just because the bible says they will, some of us youngsters like to think for ourselves.

And America is fucked, but for reasons unrelated to homosexuality and porn.


But thats just it! They dont confine it to their bedrooms.

They are partying in the White House....They are stripping Ms. California of her title. They are implementing school curriculum for kindergarteners....They are agitating for "marriage rights".......They are in our face more and more and more.

I doubt anyone here think gays should be able to do freaky shit on public property, so I don't know why you would accuse that of us.

Where I take issue with you, is that I see no problem with gays getting married, so long as the government stays out of marriage (hetero or ****) in every way, shape, and form. Marriage is just a ceremonial bond, no one is forcing you to consider homosexual marriages as Christian. Marriage can be different things to different people.

[Bman]

I believe in economic freedom and cultural/moral standards protected by the state.

Without the latter.....you won't be able to enjoy the fruits of the former. Once u understand that...it becomes obvious why leftists and communists are ALWAYS attacking traditional morality and religion

Oh here is were you are so wrong, and maybe by what you are saying out of date.


Here's the contradiction of the average Republican vs the average Democrat.

Republicans say I want small Government but I want to tell people how they can live their lives. However, you cannot have small government if you want to tell people what they can and cannot do.


Democrats say I want big government but I don't want to tell people how they should live their lives. However, you cannot have a big government and not tell people how to live their lives.

You are completely wrong.

[ChickenHawk]

Most Republicans I know want small government and they don't want the government telling people how to live their lives. However they do what people to behave themselves voluntarily. What we are seeing may well be what John Adams warned us of:



Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.


Gays are free to marry anyone they chose as long as they are the opposite sex. Same is true with everyone else. Clearly there is no equal rights argument here. Years ago nobody would have taken gay marriage seriously. That has changed so the government needs to get out of marriage completely.

There is nothing the government can or should do on this issue. If this moral bankruptcy leads to the end of our civilization no law is going to stop it.

[Vessol]

I don't see how homosexuality is "moral bankruptcy", but whatever.

Keep voting for moronic social issues to just keep you away from the real issues, social conservatives.

Separation of church and state is a clear aspect of the founders. The nation was founded for all peoples, not only conservative Christians.

[Mini-Me]

Most Republicans I know want small government and they don't want the government telling people how to live their lives. However they do what people to behave themselves voluntarily. What we are seeing may well be what John Adams warned us of:





Gays are free to marry anyone they chose as long as they are the opposite sex. Same is true with everyone else. Clearly there is no equal rights argument here. Years ago nobody would have taken gay marriage seriously. That has changed so the government needs to get out of marriage completely.

There is nothing the government can or should do on this issue. If this moral bankruptcy leads to the end of our civilization no law is going to stop it.

"If this moral bankruptcy leads to the end of our civilization..."
This is what I don't get about you guys. What the hell is so bad about gay marriage, gayness, etc. that will somehow LEAD TO THE END OF CIVILIZATION? Don't you guys think that's just a BIT melodramatic? Do you guys think that if your kids see gay people kissing in the streets, they'll be so traumatized and corrupted that they'll lose their minds, and we'll all go back to living in caves and beating each other to death with rocks over food?

Did Rome collapse out of its "immorality?" Well, in a way, yes - for far too long, the public believed that empire, built on conquering and pillaging their neighbors by force, was a sustainable way of going about their lives...and they were wrong. However, it had nothing to do with what deities they believed in or who was having what kind of wild deviant sex with whom! Conflating morality - i.e. the way people treat each other - with mere social norms is just intellectually dishonest.

Aside from meteor strikes and other extreme and unavoidable natural catastrophes, the only things that actually threaten human civilization are people violating each others' rights through violence, coercion, etc. - nothing else! If five thousand gay guys covered in Crisco oil converged every Monday morning in Times Square and had a heroin-induced gay buttsex and salad-tossing orgy at high noon in plain view of everyone, and it was replayed in slow motion every day on twenty channels for your children to watch at lunchtime, the world would still go on (unless they were blocking the streets of course). Other people would still go to work, be productive, come home, feed their families, sleep, etc. On the weekends, they'd still hang out with friends and family and tell stories, have discussions, etc. People like max might be driven mad from their irrational fear of people who live their lives differently from him, but the world would go on, and to claim otherwise is nothing short of ridiculous.

You'd just see a lot more of this:
http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo130/UnrealMiniMe/ai-cho-aniki9.gif
http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo130/UnrealMiniMe/cho-aniki-bakaretsu1.gif
http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo130/UnrealMiniMe/cho-aniki-bakaretsu3.gif
http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo130/UnrealMiniMe/cho-aniki-bakaretsu8.gif

...and maybe a bit more of this:
http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo130/UnrealMiniMe/OhDearGodWTFchouaniki7qz.gif

[Andrew-Austin]

^Great post besides the verbal and graphic imagery, I couldn't think of a way to explain all that but you did quite well.

[Theocrat]

Because he's one of them! ...........(Google Larry Sinclair)

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/30/obama-promises-champion-gay-rights/

Somebody needs to ask Obama where homosexuals get the right to be gay because it's definitely not from God. The only alternative is from the State, and thus, that is where we're at right now with the federal government assigning arbitrary rights to individuals just because they cry about being "oppressed."

And, yes, homosexuality is a choice, not a chromosome.

[Bman]

Somebody needs to ask Obama where homosexuals get the right to be gay because it's definitely not from God.

I'd say you need to answer the question of why they don't have a right to be gay first.


The only alternative is from the State, and thus, that is where we're at right now with the federal government assigning arbitrary rights to individuals just because they cry about being "oppressed."

Opression. Well now here's a smoking gun for the creation of large Government. You don't want big government don't care what other people do so much.



And, yes, homosexuality is a choice, not a chromosome.


Yes but those you love is not a choice.

[Dreamofunity]

Somebody needs to ask Obama where homosexuals get the right to be gay because it's definitely not from God. The only alternative is from the State, and thus, that is where we're at right now with the federal government assigning arbitrary rights to individuals just because they cry about being "oppressed."

And, yes, homosexuality is a choice, not a chromosome.

Where do people get the right to be gay? Seriously? That almost makes me want to go out and kiss a man just to say a big "Fuck You!" to that. People get the right to be gay by being an individual that is not harming anyone.

[Objectivist]

Oh his mighty steed thunders beneath his seat.....
YouTube - Obama @ Saddleback Church -Defines Marriage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJhQBZ1La0w)
YouTube - Barack Obama on Gay Marriage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73oZ_pe1MZ8)

[TGGRV]

What kind of people base their political ideology around who they like to sleep with?The same people who vote based on if the idiot will legalize drugs...

EDIT:He ain't Christian anymore apparently. It was just during the campaign. :P

[zach]

I cannot care less if he fights for the LGBT community or not.
I don't care if he's broken rules for it. I don't care if he likes the idea of civil unions.

There are more important things to be worried about in our future, IMO.

[Bossobass]

I wish I was a gay, transexual, lesbian, female, black, hispanic native American, CEO of a too-big-to-fail bank, because...

Whoever has the most rights WINS!!!

Bosso

[armstrong]

Is their such a thing as a Gay Christian ? How can you believe in God, Jesus and Marriage which God performed the first, then say I don't believe what is said in the bible that homosexuality is an abomination,,,then call yourself a Christian. -------To each his or her own--to me its like saying I am a gay Muslim and I want to have a cleric or something perform a marriage ceremony and condone it, certify it...the two do not go together.

[TonySutton]

Is their such a thing as a Gay Christian ? How can you believe in God, Jesus and Marriage which God performed the first, then say I don't believe what is said in the bible that homosexuality is an abomination,,,then call yourself a Christian. -------To each his or her own--to me its like saying I am a gay Muslim and I want to have a cleric or something perform a marriage ceremony and condone it, certify it...the two do not go together.

Do a search, I think this has be discussed on these forums before. If you can't find anything start a new thread. I am sure there are people who will discuss it with you.

[Bman]

Is their such a thing as a Gay Christian ? How can you believe in God, Jesus and Marriage which God performed the first, then say I don't believe what is said in the bible that homosexuality is an abomination,,,then call yourself a Christian. -------To each his or her own--to me its like saying I am a gay Muslim and I want to have a cleric or something perform a marriage ceremony and condone it, certify it...the two do not go together.

The roots of marriage do not come from christianity, and terms, ideas, meanings can change whenever we want them to. This is one of those moments when change is upon us. How will we react? Best solution get Government completely out of marriage.

[armstrong]

I have been saying this for years.....Get government out of Marriage......

[Soca Taliban]

I am a Christian and I honestly believe homosexuality is wrong. I also think its unnatural and honestly the thought of two men going jihad on each other's anus is effin disgusting and sick. I do however like girls who kiss girls....lol..j/k but that aside the problem comes in when you force anyone, be it guys, singles, etc., to pay into a system and then deny them benefits bestowed to others.....last time I checked that we called that discrimination. Now do I want gov't to allow and condone gay marriage? Nope, but I know its also unfair and wrong to discriminate against them.

Solution = GET GOV'T OUT OF MARRIAGE PERIOD!!

Either that or treat every individual EQUAL under the law.....we need to stop seeing people as groups and see them as individuals. Foolishness like gays rights, civil right, black rights, women's rights, etc etc doesn't exist. It's only individual rights.

[jkr]

he wants to beat up gays?