Will cap & trade pass the Senate?

[muh_roads]

Some are saying it will have a tougher time in the Senate...is this true?


EDIT: http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/20090626/cap-and-trade-vote-results-final.htm

Nice to see Kucinich voted no. Why did 8 repubs vote yes? wtf... I am so sad and angry at the same time.

[FrankRep]

Once its Porked up, it'll probably pass.

The Texas Nationalist Movement says this is a good reason to Secede from the Union!
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=197614

[Knighted]

It had a considerable amount of opposition from the democrats in the house (compared with the stimulus bill anyway), so it should be interesting. What's really disappointing is that it only passed by a margin of one vote. A 'no' vote from just one person (like one of the 8 neocons who voted for it) would have made the difference.

[Original_Intent]

I thought it passed by a margin of 7 votes. So if all the GOP traitors had voted against it, it would have failed by one vote (which it would not have, because there were a couple of Dems that did not vote that would have been waterboarded into voting).

If it gets amended in the Senate, doesn't it have to go back to the House again? That might be nice as people would have time to bitch out the traitors of both parties who voted for it yesterday.

[Young Paleocon]

I called Mccaskill and her aid said she would be voting against it. Can't imagine Byrd being for it, and if Inhofe gets a shot he'll filibuster the fuck out of it.

[Sarge]

Nevada has to pull on the stops on telling Harry Reid heck no. He doesn't want egg on his face if he can't get it to pass. Ensign has his problems and needs to be told no in big numbers.

Nevada needs to come out of the woodwork on this mess. I wonder how many casino lights will be on in town if this bill passes. They are hurting now let alone a carbon tax for all the lights they use.

[Knighted]

Here were the 8 neocon sellouts that voted for this bill. Three of them were New Jersey representatives.

Mary Mack (CA), Mike Castle (DE), Mark Kirk (IL), John McHugh (NY), Frank LoBlondo (NJ), Lenoard Lance (NJ), Dave Reichert (WA), and Chris Smith (NJ)

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/06/26/the-8-cap-and-tax-republicans/

[bander87]

The economy is more important right now.

I left some voicemails for my senators. I would advise everyone to do the same.

We can't sit around anymore.

[Brassmouth]

The economy is more important right now.

I left some voicemails for my senators. I would advise everyone to do the same.

We can't sit around anymore.

I'm sure they'll turn down their lobbyist offers, special privileges, and insider deals as soon as they hear your voicemail. Hell, why wouldn't he? People love to forgo opportunities to get rich and powerful.

:rolleyes:

[disorderlyvision]

I called Mccaskill and her aid said she would be voting against it. Can't imagine Byrd being for it, and if Inhofe gets a shot he'll filibuster the fuck out of it.


Are you sure? I posted a letter I got from her a while back and I did not get that impression.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=195137



Thank you for contacting me regarding climate change legislation and "green jobs" in the 111th Congress. I appreciate your comments and welcome the opportunity to respond.

I believe global climate change threatens our health, environment, and national security. Congress needs to implement meaningful reform that addresses this issue as soon as possible. Drafting a responsible measure that makes both significant reductions in carbon emissions and maintains a strong U.S. economy will be difficult, but it is a task my colleagues and I are committed to.

Regarding carbon emissions and potential “cap-and-trade” legislation, I agree that something must be done to protect and preserve our environment for future generations. However, as an elected representative for all Missourians, I will always seek to protect my constituents from undue hardship and ensure that the federal government will spend their hard-earned taxpayer dollars wisely. That is why, as we continue the debate on climate change legislation, I will be working hard to include safeguards that minimize costs, keep government accountable and prevent harm to the U.S. economy.

Working families will be significantly affected by climate change legislation, so any bill addressing this issue should provide finanical protection to avoid passing all costs on to consumers. There must be a cushion to offset rising energy costs and provisions that protect American jobs from international competitors that do not face the same environmental constraints. Strong climate change legislation must also spread the burden of rising energy costs evenly throughout the country, rather than disproportionately affecting one region over another. Additionally, the green jobs created by such legislation must be ones that are available to the already skilled workers of Missouri.

My colleagues and I have already taken a good first step on the way to curbing carbon emissions by passing comprehensive energy legislation into law in December 2007. This bill is expected to remove 500 million metric tons of carbon dioxide from the air through improved energy efficiency standards. However, we need to do more. Further investment in clean energy sources along with responsible climate change legislation will drastically reduce carbon emissions and start our country down a cleaner, economically stronger path, including the path to green jobs for Missouri residents.

My colleagues and I will continue to pursue legislation that will achieve real emissions reductions and still protect our nation's economy and Missouri jobs.

Thank you again for contacting me about this very important issue and please do not hesitate to let me know if I can address any other issues that might be important to you.

All best,
Senator Claire McCaskill

[Sarge]

There might be some hope. Harry fighting to stay in office. Look at his approval rating at the lowest yet. 51 percent don't approve of what he is doing.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1007/6544.html

Sorry, just now saw it was an old article. I hope the percent is higher now. He still is up for election next year.

He is up for re election next year. If Nevada would burn his fax and telephone lines on the cap and trade bill we might have a chance.

Where is our Nevada group to hum his lines against this bill? Also, if they get a few more percent against him, they can eject him next year.

[LibertyEagle]

I'm sure they'll turn down their lobbyist offers, special privileges, and insider deals as soon as they hear your voicemail. Hell, why wouldn't he? People love to forgo opportunities to get rich and powerful.

:rolleyes:

Yes, after all, it works so much better to sit on your ass and do nothing but knock all those who are trying to stop this horrible piece of legislation.

[malkusm]

yes, after all, it works so much better to sit on your ass and do nothing but knock all those who are trying to stop this horrible piece of legislation.

qft

[Epic]

I thought it passed by a margin of 7 votes. So if all the GOP traitors had voted against it, it would have failed by one vote (which it would not have, because there were a couple of Dems that did not vote that would have been waterboarded into voting).

If it gets amended in the Senate, doesn't it have to go back to the House again? That might be nice as people would have time to bitch out the traitors of both parties who voted for it yesterday.

Math Fail.

It just takes 4 Republicans to change their votes, cause then it would go from 219-212 to 215-216.

[Sarge]

Great on the math. Do need to allow for arm twisting of Democrats who voted no the first time.

Better to try and get this killed in the Senate.

[dealerjim]

Anyone have a link to see who voted yes for this sorry excuse for a bill? Would sure like to see which douchebag congressmen and women need not be voted back in during the next election.

[loudes13]

The talking heads on Fox said the Senate would be harder. If the Dems are united and the Maine RINO's sell us out, we are screwed. I'm going to call my do nothing senators, IL would really be hurt by this. I don't expect them to listen though.

[malkusm]

The talking heads on Fox said the Senate would be harder. If the Dems are united and the Maine RINO's sell us out, we are screwed. I'm going to call my do nothing senators, IL would really be hurt by this. I don't expect them to listen though.

I fear that by "do nothing" you mean "do way, way too much." If only they would do nothing....

[HOLLYWOOD]

EDIT: [/URL][URL]http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/20090626/cap-and-trade-vote-results-final.htm (http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/20090626/cap-and-trade-vote-results-final.htm)

Nice to see Kucinich voted no. Why did 8 repubs vote yes? wtf... I am so sad and angry at the same time.

Follow the trail of money... maybe this gang of 8 has plenty of GREEN coming their way. Those 8 have to be watched closely, but it's apparent they are FOR SALE and were bought off for re-elections, future jobs at green contracted companies, or some other money making/career cronysm.

[constitutional]

The Cap and Trade bill, whether it's amended to add more legislation or not, will be passed. The bailout bill had a huge outcry, yet they passed it. This bill has environmentalists working around the clock, calling into the offices of our representative and convincing them to vote yes. The loud supporters of this bill outnumber the loud opponents (people like us).

I have no hope. :(

[theoakman]

The fucking ideologues are batshit crazy. Seriously, if they want to save the world, can't they wait 5 fucking years before enacting something like this rather than insuring that we can't have any real economic recovery without increasing the cost of operating of every fucking business in this country?

[Young Paleocon]

Are you sure? I posted a letter I got from her a while back and I did not get that impression.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=195137

I called her Cape Girardeau office on Friday and the girl that answered the phone said she wouldn't support Waxman-Markey as it was written because it would be too costly. I then asked her if there was a companion bill in the senate that Mccaskill was more in favor of and she said no. So, that's message i got.

[Dr.3D]

Follow the trail of money... maybe this gang of 8 has plenty of GREEN coming their way. Those 8 have to be watched closely, but it's apparent they are FOR SALE and were bought off for re-elections, future jobs at green contracted companies, or some other money making/career cronysm.

I would really like to know what kind of stocks they own. I'd be willing to bet there is a conflict of interests involved.

[dealerjim]

Anyone have a link to see who voted yes for this sorry excuse for a bill? Would sure like to see which douchebag congressmen and women need not be voted back in during the next election.

[malkusm]

Anyone have a link to see who voted yes for this sorry excuse for a bill? Would sure like to see which douchebag congressmen and women need not be voted back in during the next election.

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2009/roll477.xml

[Original_Intent]

Math Fail.

It just takes 4 Republicans to change their votes, cause then it would go from 219-212 to 215-216.

Good catch on my bad math.

[terryhamel]

There is a chance the Cap and Trade house votes can be changed! Eight (8) Republicans voted for this bill and two (2) abtained, but they can change their votes if they do it before July 2. Even though none of them are likely your Representative, contact them anyway! Only seven (7) need to switch!

There is a FREE Fax service that converts a specific email address to a fax, then sent as a fax to the specific Congressman.

http://www.congressfax.com/

You cannot "group" the email address and send out one message - the email addresses must be sent individually. All the Congressperson's district office email addresses are listed here (24 in all). You only need to send it to their DC (202 area code) office, but if you have the time, do them all!

1. Write something in Word, Notepad, etc
2. Copy and paste the email addresses into a new/forwarded email.
3. Send away!

We shut down phone systems, let's put their fax machines into overdrive!


Hall Of Shame:

Republicans who voted yes for Cap & Trade
1. Mary Bono Mack
ph: (202) 225-5330
ph: (760) 320-1076
ph: (951) 658-2312
fax: (202) 225-2961
fax: (760) 320-0596
fax: (951) 652-2562
remote-printer.Representative_Mary_Bono@12022252961.iddd. tpc.int
remote-printer.Representative_Mary_Bono@17603200596.iddd. tpc.int
remote-printer.Representative_Mary_Bono@19516522562.iddd. tpc.int



2. Mike Castle (DE)
ph: (202) 225-4165
ph: (302) 428-1902
ph: (302) 736-1666
ph: (302) 856-3334
fax: (202) 225-2291
fax: (302) 428-1950
fax: (302) 736-6580
remote-printer.Representative_Michael_Castle@12022252719. iddd.tpc.int
remote-printer.Representative_Michael_Castle@13024281950. iddd.tpc.int
remote-printer.Representative_Michael_Castle@13027366580. iddd.tpc.int


3. Mark Kirk (IL)
ph: (202) 225-4835
ph: (847) 940-0202
fax: (202) 225-0837
fax: (847) 940-7143
remote-printer.Representative_Mark_Kirk@12022250837.iddd. tpc.int
remote-printer.Representative_Mark_Kirk@18475592940.iddd. tpc.int

4. Leonard Lance (NJ)
ph: (202) 225-5361
ph: (908) 518-7733
ph: (908) 788-6900
fax: (202) 225-9460
fax: (908) 518-7751
fax: (908) 788-2869
remote-printer.Representative_Leonard_Lance@12022259460.i ddd.tpc.int
remote-printer.Representative_Leonard_Lance@19085187751.i ddd.tpc.int
remote-printer.Representative_Leonard_Lance@19087882869.i ddd.tpc.int


5. Frank LoBiondo (NJ 2nd)
ph: (202) 225-6572
ph: (800) 471-4450
ph: (609) 625-5008
fax: (202) 225-3318
fax: (609) 625-5071
remote-printer.Representative_Frank_LoBiondo@12022253318. iddd.tpc.int
remote-printer.Representative_Frank_LoBiondo@16096255071. iddd.tpc.int


6. John McHugh (NY)
ph: (202) 225-4611
ph: (315) 782-3150
fax: (202) 226-0621
fax: (315) 782-1291
remote-printer.Representative_John_McHugh@12022260621.idd d.tpc.int
remote-printer.Representative_John_McHugh@13157821291.idd d.tpc.int


7. Dave Reichert (WA)
ph: (202) 225-7761
ph: (206) 275-3438
ph: (877) 920-9208
fax: (202) 225-4282
fax: (206) 275-3437
remote-printer.Representative_Dave_Reichert@12022254282.i ddd.tpc.int
remote-printer.Representative_Dave_Reichert@12062753437.i ddd.tpc.int


8. Chris Smith (NJ)
ph: (202) 225-3765
ph: (609) 585-7878
ph: (732) 350-2300
fax: (202) 225-7768
fax: (609) 585-9155
fax: (732) 350-6260
remote-printer.Representative_Christopher_Smith@120222577 68.iddd.tpc.int
remote-printer.Representative_Christopher_Smith@160958591 55.iddd.tpc.int
remote-printer.Representative_Christopher_Smith@173235062 60.iddd.tpc.int


Republicans who didn’t vote
Jeff Flake (AZ)
ph: (202) 225-2635
ph: (480) 833-0092
fax: (202) 226-4386
fax: (480) 833-6314
remote-printer.Representative_Jeff_Flake@12022264386.iddd .tpc.int
remote-printer.Representative_Jeff_Flake@14808336314.iddd .tpc.int


John Sullivan(OK)
ph: (202) 225-2211
ph: (918) 749-0014
fax: (202) 225-9187
fax: (918) 749-0781
remote-printer.Representative_John_Sullivan@12022259187.i ddd.tpc.int
remote-printer.Representative_John_Sullivan@19187490781.i ddd.tpc.int

[terryhamel]

double post

[muh_roads]

The founders sure aren't all knowing. If they were they wouldn't be letting these corrupt congresscritters run for more than two terms.

[sparebulb]

I called her Cape Girardeau office on Friday and the girl that answered the phone said she wouldn't support Waxman-Markey as it was written because it would be too costly. I then asked her if there was a companion bill in the senate that Mccaskill was more in favor of and she said no. So, that's message i got.

I called McCaskill's DC office on Friday. The staffer told me that McCaskill hadn't committed to a position yet, but had "serious reservations" about some of the provisions in the bill. She also said that McCaskill is cognitive of the fact that 80% of Missouri's power is generated from coal.

Sounds encouraging, doesn't it? My prediction is that in the end, McCaskill will vote YES. After all, the Senate is the House of Lords.

To solidify the false right/left paradigm, Bond's office assured me that he would vote no. I've put Bond on Traitor Watch. Mark my words, he will go out in a blaze of traitorous glory just like Danforth did when he voted yes on Klinton's Crime Bill on his way out of the Senate.

[anaconda]

Just sent my Rep a nasty note and asked her (Barbara Lee, Oakland) to change her HR 2454 vote with a motion to reconsider.

[loudes13]

Rep. Mark Kirk betrays IL workers and families. (http://northwestinsider.net/?p=591)

IL thanks Rep. Foster for supporting jobs over party politics. (http://northwestinsider.net/?p=589)

[Brian Defferding]

Jeff Flake abstained from voting? Damn.