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FrankRep
06-27-2009, 11:24 AM
Texas Nationalist Movement (http://www.texasnationalist.com/) on the Cap And Trade Tax Bill

Texas Nationalist Movement
http://www.texasnationalist.com/


They are Pissed.

YouTube - Texas Nationalist Movement on Cap And Trade (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GPn15Ah6GA)


Texas Nationalist Movement
http://www.texasnationalist.com/

tpreitzel
06-27-2009, 11:31 AM
I'm pleased that you raised this subject. I hope so. However, the federal government is slowly forcing the majority of states into de facto secessions as the states are forced to nullify the unconstitutional legislation passed by our traitors in Washington, D.C. Again, the federal government's reckless actions are forcing de facto secessions by the states. My continual advice to legislators of their respective states, plan NOW to totally separate from this failed union.

ladyjade3
06-27-2009, 11:34 AM
I guess we know what country we're moving to!

ChaosControl
06-27-2009, 11:36 AM
If it does, maybe it is a blessing in disguise...

FrankRep
06-27-2009, 11:39 AM
Ron Paul on the Republic of Texas

YouTube - Ron Paul - Republic of Texas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2lmwg4eQ2s)

tpreitzel
06-27-2009, 11:48 AM
LOL ... Ron's right about having a lot of troops at the Red River between Oklahoma and Texas to prevent us yankees from heading south ... great! :)

CaseyJones
06-27-2009, 11:55 AM
The Free Republic of Texas FTW!!!!!
Woo Hoo and Yee Haw!!!

Epic
06-27-2009, 12:01 PM
If this bill will make them secede, I hope it gets passed.

FrankRep
06-27-2009, 12:14 PM
LOL ... Ron's right about having a lot of troops at the Red River between Oklahoma and Texas to prevent us yankees from heading south ... great! :)

We better hurry up to move to Texas!

Sandman33
06-27-2009, 12:25 PM
LOL ... Ron's right about having a lot of troops at the Red River between Oklahoma and Texas to prevent us yankees from heading south ... great! :)

True...I'd be an immigrant for sure!:D

FrankRep
06-27-2009, 12:39 PM
Daniel Miller from Texas Nationalist Movement on Glenn Beck

YouTube - Daniel Miller from Texas Nationalist Movement on Glenn Beck (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NwqgSS-jzU)

LandonCook
06-27-2009, 12:57 PM
The Free Republic of Texas FTW!!!!!

If they do break off... Im moving to Texas. Fort Worth is awesome.

DapperDan
06-27-2009, 12:58 PM
The Republic of Texas....oh boy that gives me goosebumps :D

Hell I'm pissed too at the lack of representation our government has had for years. I would hope people phone and email their senators ASAP in hopes this bill gets shot down in the Senate.

Dallas represent!

Uriel999
06-27-2009, 01:14 PM
Whoa, secession being talked about on tv...strange days indeed.

Sandman33
06-27-2009, 01:17 PM
I hope all registered and un registered gun owners move to Texas and live right on the borders.:D

MsDoodahs
06-27-2009, 01:27 PM
Whoa, secession being talked about on tv...strange days indeed.

Where?

HOLLYWOOD
06-27-2009, 01:28 PM
Please throw the BUSH Wackers out of the Free Republic of TEXAS first.

Deport Dubya!

FrankRep
06-27-2009, 01:29 PM
Where?
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=2185729#post2185729

Sean
06-27-2009, 01:58 PM
Most Texans are statists anyways and you won't see much difference in 10-15 years than most states.

CoreyBowen999
06-27-2009, 01:59 PM
short answer.... No.

Us texans are not what we used to be :(

torchbearer
06-27-2009, 02:00 PM
maybe Louisiana could join them.
We could have our Baseball league.

FrankRep
06-27-2009, 02:02 PM
Oklahoma I'm sure would join Texas if they seceded.

Sandman33
06-27-2009, 02:04 PM
Please throw the BUSH Wackers out of the Free Republic of TEXAS first.

Deport Dubya!

At that point you'd see a mob with pitchforks surrounding his estate.

CaseyJones
06-27-2009, 04:07 PM
Free Republic of Texas FTW !!!!!!
Dag Nabbit

FrankRep
06-27-2009, 04:27 PM
Judge Andrew Napolitano: Texas has the RIGHT to secede from the Union!

YouTube - Texas Nationalist Video 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-5BsvODZgs)

Cowlesy
06-27-2009, 04:55 PM
I hope Texas secedes ---- that'll be a big thumb in the eye of the big government goons.

FrankRep
06-27-2009, 05:10 PM
http://www.montgomerycountynews.net/index.php?module=article&view=613


CAP & TRADE:
Higher utility bills, energy costs and 200,000 jobs lost in Texas

PRESS RELEASE

June 27, 2009

WASHINGTON, D.C. – On the morning of an historical vote on the controversial “cap and tax” global warming legislation in the U.S. House of Representatives, U.S. Congressman Kevin Brady (R-TX) questions the real environmental benefits of the measure and fears the cost to Texas families and small businesses.

"I have young children, so of course the environment matters. But this bill won’t impact the natural cycle of the earth's temperature and will cost families dearly in higher utility bills, higher energy costs and nearly 200,000 lost jobs in Texas,” says Brady. "With China, India and other nations refusing to participate, independent experts predict this bill will not yield any measurable environmental benefits.”

Job Losses in S.E. Texas

The congressman, who is the top House Republican on the Joint Economic Committee, says the jobs most at risk are here in southeast Texas in the energy, refining, paper, steel and agriculture industries. And because the products American companies sell and ship overseas will be especially hard hit by cap and trade, Texas as the largest exporting state in the nation is especially vulnerable.

“The biggest hit will be felt in southeast Texas, but you’ll see job losses reach every region of the state,” he predicts.

A Better Solution

"Instead of rushing this 1,200 page bill through the House with less than 24 hours to read it, a better solution is for Republicans and Democrats to get serious about increasing cleaner burning fuels like nuclear and natural gas, accelerating research into renewable energy and tapping America's abundant traditional energy to transition to a greener future. That makes more sense, creates jobs and produces real environmental results without cap and trade’s devastating cost to families and businesses.”

Currently, the cap and tax legislation will cost each household in Texas an extra $3,128 per year and each person will be burdened with an extra $903 per year in taxes according to budget experts. The net job losses predicted for Texas are 197,000 according to the Heritage Foundation.

MsDoodahs
06-27-2009, 05:15 PM
Obama and his foul friends really love punishing success, so an extreme hit to Texas must cause the lot of the bastards much joy.

:mad:

TRIGRHAPPY
06-27-2009, 08:45 PM
I'm sure folks would be moving to Texas by the thousands. I doubt however, that Texas will be alone if and when it does leave the union. As sure as hell is hot, Texas will need able bodied men and as many allies as it can muster to help it break free.

Vessol
06-27-2009, 09:46 PM
No one will secede. The people in the state building are just the same as the people in the capital building.

catdd
06-27-2009, 09:59 PM
Secession is the only option left I think

Andrew-Austin
06-27-2009, 09:59 PM
If ideological reasons can't push states to secede, utilitarian ones can. To try and limit the economic destruction wrought by the Fed. government, states may very will give secession a serious look.

catdd
06-27-2009, 10:02 PM
What they are doing is flooding us with more screwed up bills than we can possibly fight knowing that a few are bound to slip through the cracks. Seems the only option left is to separate from this administration. I hope Texas does it and more will follow.

anaconda
06-27-2009, 10:37 PM
True...I'd be an immigrant for sure!:D

Let's get a carpool to Texas when the time comes!

Stary Hickory
06-27-2009, 11:26 PM
It really looks like we are heading towards a breaking off of some states from the US. Hard to believe really, it's so simple to maintain the union, it only requires mutual respect for the rights of your fellow Americans. It's amazing to see how far the country has fallen really.

Sandman33
06-28-2009, 12:25 AM
It really looks like we are heading towards a breaking off of some states from the US. Hard to believe really, it's so simple to maintain the union, it only requires mutual respect for the rights of your fellow Americans. It's amazing to see how far the country has fallen really.

Two Enemies attacking America at the same time are bringing it down. You've got the Zionists infiltrating federal government since they own the banks.

They have their hand atop America's head shoving downward....and then you have Mexico reaching up and grabbing America by the Ankle at the same time.

The Zionists leave the borders unsecure then throw immigrants free shit with YOUR money. All while raising taxes, bailing out their friends, and rigging elections all on YOUR dime.

FrankRep
06-28-2009, 07:24 AM
Don't derail the thread, Sandman.

Create a new thread about who the "enemy" is.

hamilton1049
06-28-2009, 07:26 AM
If Texas Secedes I don't think guarding her borders will be an issue. The fence they won't build on the Mexican border will go up around Texas, not to keep Texans out but to stem the growing tide of freedom loving people fleeing there from the tyranny of Washington DC.

Can you say "Berlin Wall"?

I can hear it 20 yrs from now "America; Tear Down This Wall.....!!!"

FrankRep
06-28-2009, 07:31 AM
If you remove the Socialist policies that encourage exploitation of the United States, then only the people who want to work and contribute to society would want to stay.


Having a "Wall" has never worked anywhere all throughout history.

Mrs.Joe
06-28-2009, 07:51 AM
I say we all move there before the wall!
Capital Hill would have to pay attention to thousands or even hundreds of people flooding into Texas just because of secession talks...Maybe it would open their eyes?

FrankRep
06-28-2009, 07:53 AM
Someone posted the question on Yahoo Answers! (Not me)

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090627214453AAtDtuU

hamilton1049
06-28-2009, 08:53 AM
If you remove the Socialist policies that encourage exploitation of the United States, then only the people who want to work and contribute to society would want to stay.


Have a "Wall" has never worked anywhere all throughout history.

Well I tried to keep it on the lite side but ok, nowhere did I suggest that a wall would work, the fascist socialist state we have has never worked either, but they still keep trying through the same brutal knee jerk tactics and policies that have failed in the past, to make it work.

Even if it means shooting in the back all those "terrorists" trying to gain entry to that terrorist enclave called the "Republic of Texas."

Sorry but the more I consider it the more convinced I am that the propaganda line would at least be very similar to this. Its success would be very limited, and even counter productive, true, and eventually the truth gets out anyway. It is the bloodbath in the meantime that these thugs thrive on.

Ironically, it is "the people who want to work and contribute to society" who bear the burden of keeping the socialist system staggering along. One day they wake up and see across the border into Texas and see people who are working because they are doing jobs they like to do as a means of gaining their own prosperity, and are in fact prospering individually and as a society, just as the United States did in its infancy.

You don't think the Socialists will make every effort to keep their "willing contributors" enslaved to them?

P.S. It is quite refreshing to join an entire thread where everyone apparently knows the difference between "secession" and "succession"

CaseyJones
06-28-2009, 02:05 PM
Bumpage for Free Republic of Texas !!!!!!!!

Flash
06-28-2009, 02:25 PM
This is kind of a stupid post but Keith Olbermann (I hate that guy) made some pretty good points as to why Texas can't secede:

YouTube - Keith Olbermann's WTF!?! Moment: Texas Seceding From USA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DJKpsUq9IY)

LibertyEagle
06-28-2009, 03:02 PM
This is kind of a stupid post but Keith Olbermann (I hate that guy) made some pretty good points as to why Texas can't secede:

YouTube - Keith Olbermann's WTF!?! Moment: Texas Seceding From USA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DJKpsUq9IY)

His arguments are asinine. One of the reasons why Texas would want to secede is to get away from all those frickin' agencies. We would not want to replicate them, so the cost would be nil. PLUS, since our money would no longer be stolen by the federal government through taxation and inflation, there would be plenty of wealth here to fund whatever we chose to.

Think about it. We have a port, so we can trade. We have oil, refineries, agriculture and an armed populace who could defend the republic of Texas, if need be. Since the federal government would no longer be sticking their big noses in medicine and forcing their ways, the cost of medical treatment would plummet.

No, we'd be just fine.

CaseyJones
06-28-2009, 03:25 PM
come to The Free Republic of Texas
We Have Cookies :D

ChaosControl
06-28-2009, 03:27 PM
I find it funny how a lot of anti-secessionists don't know squat about how federal aid works.

They think that states get federal aid out of thin air. They must not realize there is such a thing as an income tax and people residing within states pay that tax. No more income tax to the federal gov means more money within the state. Texas pays more to the federal gov than it receives, so it'd be in Texas' best interest to secede on that issue as well as many other issues.

Kotin
06-28-2009, 03:28 PM
bump for the free Republic of Texas!!


long live the Lone Star Nation!!

heavenlyboy34
06-28-2009, 03:30 PM
come to The Free Republic of Texas
We Have Cookies :D

Home made :D or store bought :(?

TGGRV
06-28-2009, 03:31 PM
Actually the economy is going to get much better if the state secedes and people stay calm for an year until things get set.

LibertyEagle
06-28-2009, 03:34 PM
Home made :D or store bought :(?

Store bought.

Stay where you are. :p

heavenlyboy34
06-28-2009, 03:35 PM
Store bought.

Stay where you are. :p

oky doky. :cool:

Flash
06-28-2009, 03:54 PM
His arguments are asinine. One of the reasons why Texas would want to secede is to get away from all those frickin' agencies. We would not want to replicate them, so the cost would be nil. PLUS, since our money would no longer be stolen by the federal government through taxation and inflation, there would be plenty of wealth here to fund whatever we chose to.

Think about it. We have a port, so we can trade. We have oil, refineries, agriculture and an armed populace who could defend the republic of Texas, if need be. Since the federal government would no longer be sticking their big noses in medicine and forcing their ways, the cost of medical treatment would plummet.

No, we'd be just fine.


Well it sounds like a great idea then. :D

Carson
06-28-2009, 04:14 PM
Ron Paul on the Republic of Texas



Good video. And yes they would need some troops to keep out those of us that have been looking for a place we could once again call home.


P.S. This is the video of Ron Paul talking about it in a way that makes it a not so far off reality of necessity and not an act of defiance.


YouTube - Ron Paul On CNN American Morning April.21, 2009 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EsFXrkDL-Q)

catdd
06-28-2009, 05:05 PM
It's hard to believe that the Federal Government doesn't know that they are pushing otherwise loyal and patriotic people to the edge.

Carson
06-28-2009, 05:33 PM
It's hard to believe that the Federal Government doesn't know that they are pushing otherwise loyal and patriotic people to the edge.

I think they know. They have their amnesty of the illegal aliens, their North American Union, and we have been able to do nothing to stop the other advances of the New World Order.

They just haven't made it official yet. Why would it be in their interest to do so?


The bailouts made it clear just how much of a democracy we still have. The politicians jumped at every Globalist pull on their strings, just like good little puppets.


IF you want to see a different opinion on why those that have shoved open borders down our throats are in a hurry for universal health care. Go Here (http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2009/06/red-alert-la-raza-if-american-people.html).

What can hearing another view hurt? Right?

LibertyEagle
06-28-2009, 05:45 PM
IF you want to see a different opinion on why those that have shoved open borders down our throats are in a hurry for universal health care. Go Here (http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2009/06/red-alert-la-raza-if-american-people.html).

What can hearing another view hurt? Right?

I looked and ^%$$$^&*T%!AA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Everyone should read that.

Carson
06-28-2009, 05:53 PM
I looked and ^%$$$^&*T%!AA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Everyone should read that.


I know it really floored me. We shouldn't really let it get to us though.

I would imagine the truth is somewhere towards the middle. The thing with this though is the whole government getting between me and my money and me and my doctor worries me and go against some basic principles.


And then hearing this!

LibertyEagle
06-28-2009, 05:54 PM
Does anyone else feel like they're in the Twilight Zone these days?

heavenlyboy34
06-28-2009, 06:40 PM
Does anyone else feel like they're in the Twilight Zone these days?

I do! I almost get dizzy sometimes. :eek::(YouTube - Twilight Zone intro. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzlG28B-R8Y)

CaseyJones
06-28-2009, 08:21 PM
Free Republic of Texas!!!!

Vessol
06-28-2009, 08:23 PM
Does anyone else feel like they're in the Twilight Zone these days?

Rod Sterling would agree.

http://www.uunhf.org/unitarian/famous/Rod_Serling.jpg

Liberty Star
06-28-2009, 08:27 PM
Sjort answer is no.

The way Texas rolled over during Bush/Cheney spending spree, it is very safe to assume that Texas would not behave much differently during Obama spedning spree despite different rhetorics.

Vessol
06-28-2009, 08:28 PM
Sjort answer is no.

The way Texas rolled over during Bush/Cheney spending spree, it is very safe to assume that Texas would not behave much differently during Obama spedning spree despite different rhetorics.

Fair enough deduction.

The nationalists are not in power, those in power are stooges enough to the state house whom is a stooge enough to the Federal Government.

NAFTA Superhighway, anyone?

tangent4ronpaul
06-28-2009, 08:39 PM
His arguments are asinine. One of the reasons why Texas would want to secede is to get away from all those frickin' agencies. We would not want to replicate them, so the cost would be nil. PLUS, since our money would no longer be stolen by the federal government through taxation and inflation, there would be plenty of wealth here to fund whatever we chose to.

Think about it. We have a port, so we can trade. We have oil, refineries, agriculture and an armed populace who could defend the republic of Texas, if need be. Since the federal government would no longer be sticking their big noses in medicine and forcing their ways, the cost of medical treatment would plummet.

No, we'd be just fine.

In general, is sounds fine. however by sea, TX could be blockaded. Trade via Mexico could get around that. If only you still had active missile silo's you'd be in great shape.

If only ND, MT or OH would succeed...

-t

Number19
06-28-2009, 08:39 PM
The first step toward any viable secessionist movement is to get Debra Medina elected as governor of Texas.

First quarter fund raising ends June 30th. Contribute what you can toward her primary campaign against Perry and Hutchinson.

http://www.medinafortexas.com/

Dr.3D
06-28-2009, 08:40 PM
Snip~
IF you want to see a different opinion on why those that have shoved open borders down our throats are in a hurry for universal health care. Go Here (http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2009/06/red-alert-la-raza-if-american-people.html).
~Snip

That's what I've been trying to tell everybody right along.

Charlie41
06-28-2009, 09:27 PM
All I see is a lot of people bitching, and a lot of people agreeing with the bitching... And of course there was the one moron, that I was very impressed to see everyone ignore.

But What I have not seen is any form of order. Has any one typed up a letter to our Governor, or congressmen, our representatives? As in a petition?

Just a few hits for the letter I'm sure some one with writing skills more eloquent than a dyslexic like me, might want to consider.

Positive, and real, economic reasons to leave communist America.

Positive reinforcement on people willing to stand up and fight for true freedom if necessary.

With maybe a few strong emphasis on our population having a clear constitution that can not be mucked up by over thinking, over reaction politicians.
And if this constitution mirrored the original, stating clearly that no law would be passed to interfere with the original law (Constitution).

If some one would put this out there, I would be more than happy to put my name on it.

Edit: To the non Texas people. If the petition does show up. Copy it and send it to your reps.

FrankRep
06-28-2009, 09:31 PM
But What I have not seen is any form of order. Has any one typed up a letter to our Governor, or congressmen, our representatives? As in a petition?

Ohio is stepping up.

Ohio says NO to Cap and Trade! SCR-15 - Follow our Lead!
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=197751

LibertyEagle
06-28-2009, 09:35 PM
But What I have not seen is any form of order. Has any one typed up a letter to our Governor, or congressmen, our representatives? As in a petition?

If you're interested in activism, you may want to check out Ron Paul's Campaign for Liberty.

www.campaignforliberty.com

Carson
06-28-2009, 09:36 PM
That's what I've been trying to tell everybody right along.


It came as a surprise to me.

The other day we were talking about the health plan and I told someone I didn't like the idea of the government getting between me and my doctor.

Then a day or two later I came across some threads about the plan to cover everyone without having any borders.?

I get the feeling the Federal Reserve is behind it. They always seem to gain with all of these plans when we go to them to borrow the money.

I see our relationship with the Federal Reserve and our politicians as you would have if your spouse was dating the president of the bank that holds your credit card. It may not be so bad that they charged them a boat or a car but to spend your life raising their children may be a bit much.



Here is the link again if you want to see what we are talking about.

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2009/06/red-alert-la-raza-if-american-people.html

Charlie41
06-28-2009, 09:44 PM
If you're interested in activism, you may want to check out Ron Paul's Campaign for Liberty.

www.campaignforliberty.com

And this does what? I did not see anything to petition G. Perry to tell the feds to kiss off.

How long has this been up? How much good has it done? Really?

NO! If you all are serious about a better life, and not being taxed to death for no reason other than the fed's want to spend more of your money. We need to do this!

Some one type up the letter , so we can flood Our capitol with it to show G. Perry this is what we really want! If not, stop bitching bend over and take cap and trade like a sheeple would.

The clue was in his speech. Go back and listen again. "If the people showed up and demanded" <---- Not an exact quote.

torchbearer
06-28-2009, 09:55 PM
I'm up for a secessionist movement.

Charlie41
06-28-2009, 10:13 PM
Good...... Well there is one, ya got to start some where.


I say we all head down to the Capital on the 4th (and appropriate day) and chant no cap and trade, secession. And don't stop till he yells OK

LibertyEagle
06-28-2009, 10:14 PM
And this does what? I did not see anything to petition G. Perry to tell the feds to kiss off.

How long has this been up? How much good has it done? Really?

NO! If you all are serious about a better life, and not being taxed to death for no reason other than the fed's want to spend more of your money. We need to do this!

Some one type up the letter , so we can flood Our capitol with it to show G. Perry this is what we really want! If not, stop bitching bend over and take cap and trade like a sheeple would.

The clue was in his speech. Go back and listen again. "If the people showed up and demanded" <---- Not an exact quote.

I was trying to be helpful to you. Excuse the hell out of me.

If you want a letter written up, do it your damn self. :mad:

Vessol
06-28-2009, 10:15 PM
Good...... Well there is one, ya got to start some where.


I say we all head down to the Capital on the 4th (and appropriate day) and chant no cap and trade, secession. And don't stop till he yells OK

Lot of good that'll do.

Charlie41
06-28-2009, 10:32 PM
I was trying to be helpful to you. Excuse the hell out of me.

If you want a letter written up, do it your damn self. :mad:

Sorry, did not mean to upset you. I was not bashing you. I was asking an honest question. I went there looking for something helpful, and all I seen was the same stuff that has not helped.

And I would write the petition, but as you can tell from my typing, I'm most defiantly not the person for this job.

Edit: For the record. LibertyEagle, thank you for trying to help.

Charlie41
06-28-2009, 10:37 PM
Lot of good that'll do.

OK criticism is good.
Can you offer a suggestion?

terryhamel
06-28-2009, 11:43 PM
And I would write the petition, but as you can tell from my typing, I'm most defiantly not the person for this job.

Write the draft and have others proof-read it. Need a template? Contact your local Campaign for Liberty activists. At the least, they have a HR1207 petition, but you'll also find they will help fill the petitions with signatures.

You know exactly what to do, where to go to get the job done, and are just crazy enough that it might just work. :)

DapperDan
06-29-2009, 01:10 AM
Doesn't matter who writes it as it can always be peer reviewed by the English savvy people here. A thorough explanation/reasons and a feeling of action would be good in the letter to be sent to Perry and our Texas legislature.

Or maybe a few people to write one and pool it together to form a great document.



If I get to the July 4th Tea Party here in Dallas I'll definitely be waving a Brown's Flag of Independence :cool:

hamilton1049
06-29-2009, 01:16 AM
http://www.texasnationalist.com/

Here is an already active petition for Texas Secession

FrankRep
06-29-2009, 07:00 AM
Some one type up the letter , so we can flood Our capitol with it to show G. Perry this is what we really want! If not, stop bitching bend over and take cap and trade like a sheeple would.

Here ya go. Go get 'em Tiger!

Defeat the 'Cap and Trade' Energy Tax Bill in the Senate
http://www.votervoice.net/Core.aspx?AID=972&APP=GAC&SiteID=0&IssueID=18625

DapperDan
06-29-2009, 12:03 PM
Here ya go. Go get 'em Tiger!

Defeat the 'Cap and Trade' Energy Tax Bill in the Senate
http://www.votervoice.net/Core.aspx?AID=972&APP=GAC&SiteID=0&IssueID=18625

Good prewritten letter for senators. Especially if you're not good with words :)

RevolutionSD
06-29-2009, 12:51 PM
Good prewritten letter for senators. Especially if you're not good with words :)

Good quote by Murrow in your sig, but if you do the research you will find that Edward R. Murrow was indeed a communist.

DapperDan
06-29-2009, 12:59 PM
I know about his way :)

I just enjoy the quote because it couldn't be any truer.

Elwar
06-29-2009, 01:16 PM
In general, is sounds fine. however by sea, TX could be blockaded. Trade via Mexico could get around that. If only you still had active missile silo's you'd be in great shape.

If only ND, MT or OH would succeed...

-t

Texas is the only state in the union who is allowed to have its own sitting Navy. They have Fort Hood, the largest army base in the country. They own the coast going out 10 miles, which is why they can have off shore oil despite the Fedgov. They had a $10 billion surplus when oil was at $140 a barrel.

Get Perry out of there and Medina in there and then you can seriously consider secession. Otherwise, Rick Perry is just another globalist stooge. Answering to anyone but Texans.

dr. hfn
06-29-2009, 02:00 PM
they do, i'm moving there. lets encourage them!!!

hamilton1049
06-29-2009, 02:01 PM
All I see is a lot of people bitching, and a lot of people agreeing with the bitching... And of course there was the one moron, that I was very impressed to see everyone ignore.

22 whole posts, less than 1 mos on the forum and you breeze in here hijacking the thread, calling people names, and don't have a pair big enough to address the individual whom you have issue with directly. doesn't do anything for credibility with me.

That said your crude approach does not invalidate your argument. it's just in the wrong thread, in my view it belonged in a thread weeks ago when the awake saw this coming.

To get back on topic: the chances of Texas seceding from the union over Cap and Trade are about as good as the chances that I'm gonna support Obama.

Texans in general have strutted around with their chests blown out bragging about their "independent spirit" ever since they got into this contract with this union. Yet when it gets down to the nitty gritty in general Texans still vote themselves State Legislatures who are as far from secession as I am from Communism.

I've been a supporter of the secession option for nearly 30 years, and any state that grows a pair big enough to do it I say go for it and that includes Texas. It has been justified since before any of us were a glimmer in our daddies eyes, to hell with cap and trade just tell'em to shove it and go away.

If any state does this and thinks this Federal tyranny is going to sit on its hands and let its "productive contributors to society" flee to a Free Republic and not resort to violence to stop it is living in a pipe dream and ignoring history.

Texans take this as an insult, a challenge, a dare or anyway you like, hunt me down and kick my a!! if you gotta. But quit flappin your jaws and just DO IT DAMN IT!!!;)

Pericles
06-29-2009, 02:03 PM
Yes - Texas should only be so lucky as to give the FEDs the finger.

FrankRep
06-30-2009, 11:16 PM
Some one type up the letter , so we can flood Our capitol with it to show G. Perry this is what we really want! If not, stop bitching bend over and take cap and trade like a sheeple would.

Victory in Ohio!
Ohio Senate says NO to Cap and Trade! SCR-15 (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=197751)

Next Step, the House:
Support HCR-25 - Help Ohio Prosper, Say No to Cap and Trade (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=198076)

Charlie, follow the lead of Ohio. Get your state reps to fight this at the State level.

FrankRep
07-04-2009, 01:39 PM
Texas Nationalist Movement (http://www.texasnationalist.com/) talks about HCR 50 - Texas Sovereignty


On this episode of the Texas Perspective we discuss the recent passage of HCR 50 by the Texas House and read some hate mail on the air. Fun!

Audio:

http://www.texasnationalist.com/index.php?option=com_sermonspeaker&task=singlesermon&id=10011

FrankRep
08-18-2009, 06:53 AM
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http://www.window.state.tx.us/finances/captrade/txpolicies_programs/tx_studies_reports.html


Texas Cap and Trade Studies and Reports

The Comptroller’s office conducted an analysis in partnership with the Center for Energy Economics at the University of Texas at Austin’s Bureau of Economic Geology (UT-BEG) to determine the impact of increased energy costs resulting from the proposed cap and trade legislation on the Texas economy.

This initial study found:

* Texas could see 135,000 to 277,000 fewer jobs in 2012, the first year of the bill.

* In the worst-case scenario, Texas could lose more than 400,000 jobs by 2030.

* The total dollar value of all goods and services produced in the state is forecasted to drop $10 billion to $20 billion in the same year.

FrankRep
11-07-2009, 11:41 PM
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FrankRep
12-11-2009, 06:47 PM
Secessionists Frighten Obama

YouTube - Secessionists Frighten Obama (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC7f1vup6Fc)